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[TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! * 9
    #26578102 - 04/04/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

There are dozens of ways to do Grain so here is one i like to do where the peparation is quick and simple.

Grain Tek for White Millet in 30 minutes or Less for Perfect Millet Ready to Sterilize



Here im going to take some time and share my process for doing Millet grain preparation using 1 quart mason jars.

For using spawn bags with millet Click Here for my 45 minute spawn bag tek.

First here are the advantages of using millet:

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#1 The prep is too simple. No soaking. No rinsing. No drying. No boiling or Simmering and No waiting on all of those factors before you can have grain ready to sterilize.

#2 Usually G2G or LC in under 5 days. 6-8 tops.

#3 Conspiracy Time!  Millet is such a great grain because you get the maximum amount of inoculation points due to its tiny size. I have also observed millet to colonize more  rapidly than other grains I've tried such as oats, rye and perhaps even WBS.

We know of mycelium as operating like a network and because the mycelium has shorter distances to travel to colonize each grain before it reconnects back to "another node on network" this saves itself energy and time. As opposed to having to go over and around huge chunks of oats.

** That could all be bullshit :smile: but IME i do observe better colonization rates than using other grains. Its just something i theorize. Maybe its the psilocybin talking.

#4 Virtually No learning curve. Little if not any trial and error. You can get perfect moisture content each and every time! No over boiled grains or Assuming your grains are hydrated correctly!

Since grains can vary if you do get burst grains just dial back the water a notch on the next run to dial it in.



Disadvantage of using millet.

#1 The only price you have to pay for using millet with this process is after the PC cycle has completed and your jars are cool enough to handle you will have to  bang and rattle each jar to break up the grain at the bottom.

Once its broken up it ll remain loose and perfect. If you decide not to use gypsum youll just have to slap longer. You still have to bang and rattle with gypsum but its so much easier and only takes a few seconds each jar.

**A pound of gypsum is $10 or less and lasts a long fucking time. Again, I highly recommend using it as it will make the after cook shake quite effortless compared to not using gypsum.





Lets prepare some millet!

Supplies: [of course feel free to use whatever prep tools you have. This is just what i use.

This recipe is dialed in for 7 G2G Quart Jars using a Presto 23qt Canner.

Millet
5gal bucket
Small handled wash bucket
5/32 drill bit
Fine mesh strainer or paint strainer bag
Straining spoon with holes big enough for millet to fall through
7 Quart jars [If using 23qt presto] with you lid tek of choice.
Kitchen Scale
Mason Jar Funnel
Large bowl
A plastic cup to scoop grains and pour water from
GYPSUM








STEP 1. Bucket sifter and grain cleanup

Time to Complete: 5 mins or less

once you have your sifter bucket then 0 mins or if you have pure millet ready to go.

**[Skip this step if you have pure millet without any sunflower seeds etc]

Drill tiny holes with your 5/32 bit  into the bottom of the small wash bucket. We are using this  bucket as a quick sifter to separate the millet from mostly everything else. You dont have to get every sunflower seed, stick or whatever. Were just removing the majority.

Place your newly made sifter bucket into your 5 gallon buck. Open your millet and fill the small bucket about 1/4 - 1/3 full. Try not to fill it more than that or youll have to use too much effort to shake it and itll be heavier.

Now oscillate or shake and the millet will begin to fall through and collect in the 5 gal  bucket. Fill your 5 gal buck up as much as you want but youll need almost a 1/4 full. This process shouldn't take more than a few mins.





https://imgur.com/a/lCMGWSf <easy.gif>


STEP 2. The Dry Rinse

Time to Complete:
3-4 Minutes


Lay out your kitchen scale. Place a large bowl on top and press the TARE button. Now pour in 1575 grams of your pre-sifted  millet into the bowl. This is enough for 7 G2G receiving jars.

**Use 1750 grams for slightly fuller Myco Qt Jars [LC or Agar.] Dont worry the millet breaks up so easily! The next steps will have precise millet:h20 ratios for each jar type.




Now dump the weighed millet into your fine mesh strainer or paint strainer bag. Do Not Rinse it or get it wet!

Now take your slotted spoon and give the dry millet a brisk stir. You can let the seed sift through the spoon  and collect any sticks and sunflower seeds if they got through the bucket. Now give the strainer a little shake or just more stirring and notice the dust and debris that has fallen out from the bottom. 



This is what i call a "Dry Rinse".








STEP 3. Load the Jars

Time to complete : 10-12 mins or less

A. In each of the 7 Jars drop in a pinch of gypsum. The tip of a knife works too or just use a spoon and dab a little and drop it in. For reference it might be equivalent to about 5-10 grains or so of millet.

B. Place your jar with the funnel inserted onto the scale and press TARE. Using a plastic cup scoop your millet from the strainer and load into the jar until the scale reads 225 grams. [It can be 220-230 its fine] This will give you the perfect amount for a G2G jar.

Set the jar to the side and do the next one.



You dont have to press TARE each time. If the next jar reads 2 grams just fill will millet until you have 227 for example.

Repeat until all 7 jars have seed.


Fill a jug/pitcher with warm-hot water from the tap or if your operating beside  the sink just run the water and youll use your scoop cup from earlier on the next step.

Place a seeded jar with the funnel on the scale and press TARE. Slowly pour your hot water into the jar until it reads 125 grams. Repeat the process until all the jars  have water.


**IF you chose 1750g for slightly more full myco quart jars then fill each jar to 250 grams of millet. With 130g of water for LC receiving jar or 135g for an agar receiving jar.




Now were going to lightly swirl each jar to distribute the dissolved gypsum.

Swirl each jar for about 3-4seconds each.


https://imgur.com/ocncGbu  <easier.gif>

Thats it! Your grain jars are now fully prepared and ready for sterilization!


Now proceed to apply your lids and load your pressure cooker.


I use plastic lids and polyfill with SHIPs. Sometimes SFD. I put the lid on and turn until I meet resistance. I do not tighten as the heat will make the lid too tight.





STEP 4. Sterilization

PC For 90 minutes @ 15-17psi

** Now  if you know how to use a PC just scroll down to the FINAL STEP

Everyone does their sterilization differently and people have varying steralizers or canners.  This is how i do it using a Presto 23qt Canner glasstop/flattop stove model.

I use jar rings stacked 2 high around the bottom of the canner then place the trivet on top of the rings. I  add roughly 2 1/3 quarts of hot water.

I have hard water so i add a splash of white distilled vinegar to the PC so the jars come out shiny and clean.

On the large burner i set the stove to 9 and let it heat up.

I cover each polyfill jar with my saved leftover aluminum foil squares from my last jar run and load them all into the canner. I dont let my [millet] jars sit in water.



23 Quart Presto usually asks for 3qt of water. I use 2  1/3 because i dont want the bottom of the jar submerged in water for various reasons.

Put the canner lid on and lock it into place. After a couple mins  the lock mechanism lifts into place and steam starts to escape the vent. Once that happens i drop the dial to about 4-5 and then i set a timer for 10 mins

Continue to let the steam vent so the air from inside the jars gets purged. You will probably hear the PC hiss and spit around the 6-8 min mark or sooner. That is air being purged and its normal. When the timer goes off I place the rocker weight on the vent and the pressure will begin to rise.

Once i get to about 10-11psi i drop the temp dial to 4. Once the pressure reaches 15psi i drop the temp to just below 2. i set a timer for 90 mins and walk away. My stove will hold 16 to 16.5 psi the entire time.

Your heat up and hold setting for your stove dial may and probably will vary.

Once the timer goes off i then turn off the stove and just leave it alone. Let the pressure decrease on its own. Usually if i havnt already prepared the next batch of jars ill begin to do it at this point because by the time  i have more jars ready the pressure will read 0 and i can proceed to the final step.

The Final Step

Once the pressure reads 0 itll still be ridiculously hot so you can wait until it cools entirely to do this final step.

Once it hits 0psi grab 2 oven mitts. I open the pressure cooker and grab the top of a jar with an oven mitt. I tighten the lid just a little bit then i bang it against my hand with a mitt over it [do not do this if you cant, use a book or tire whatever, my hands are tough] give it about 4-5 whacks.

https://imgur.com/aK2cV4I <bang.gif>

then rattle it to mix it around.

https://imgur.com/pqcUApN <rattle.gif>

If you didnt use gypsum itll take more effort but just be careful and dont go nuts.



Now your grain jars need to cool down to room temp and then they're ready for inoculation!



Here is the final result!



Still HOT AF! No bursted grains, yay!

**If youre seeing burst grains just lower your water content depending on how many you can see. For example use 5-10g less water or 30 grams more seed. Perhaps your millet cant hold as much water as mine and vice versa.



Grain jars with perfect moisture content and it only took me 15 mins to prep for the PC  [because im used to it] but it shouldnt take you more than 30 mins your first try. Especially if youve never done any grain prep at all.


I hope you find this useful. I'll probably clean this tek up over time to include better pictures and far more conscise wording.

If you have any suggestions or questions feel free to chime in but for now this is all the time i have for this version since im using a phone to do this and it took longer than i anticipated but ill be editing it over time.


Spawn bag version coming up
next!


Edited by shevanel (04/19/20 09:26 AM)


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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel] * 3
    #26578287 - 04/04/20 10:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This is a cool tek, I like how it is more energy efficient then a lot of grain prep methods. No wasted soak or rinse water, no wasted energy heating the grains, laying them out, drying, cooling, only to be reheated again in the PC.

I have never tried with millet but i like the idea so much ive done it with wheat lots of times. wheat may be different but i found the clumping on the bottom excessive and would have to beat them against a tire to break the clumps unless i reduced my moisture content to 40% or less. this low moisture lead to slower colonization, at least for wheat.

So for wheat i modified this method to weighing my entire 7 jars worth of grain into a pot, adding my water to preferred moisture content (I like ~50% water in wheat) and cooking it like rice until the water is absorbed. spoon the grains into jars hot and PC.

I also found a little jam jar that would hold exactly 250 grams of dry grain when it is topped off making it an ideal measuring scoop for filling jars or measuring 7 jars worth of grain into my pot.

anyways thanks for sharing, it is a good technique!


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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: deadmandave] * 1
    #26579044 - 04/05/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This is rad! Thanks!
I was taught with millet on my first grow only 4 months ago, so this will be nice to try.
Didn't question using millet, but after your explanation and efficiency it seems like a no-brainer now.
Would have taken me some time to cut out all prep, and dial it, especially being so new to this.


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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: LREAM] * 1
    #26579211 - 04/05/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Nice write up. Mind if add this to the Mush Cult Grain Guide?


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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel] * 1
    #26579279 - 04/05/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Great tek! I've been looking for a good alternative to the nasty oats in my region. I'm definitely going to give this a shot when I'm in the market for new spawn. Way less work than the prep hoops I have to jump through right now :thumbup:


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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26579286 - 04/05/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Nice write up. Mind if add this to the Mush Cult Grain Guide?





Absolutely! Hopefully it helps someone looking for a hassle-free grain prep.


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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel] * 1
    #26579309 - 04/05/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I tried doing something similar with oats before. Couldn't get it quite right. I have done RR's rye grass seed before for stones. Works like a charm.


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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26579453 - 04/05/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yea i prefer doing spawn bags for monos instead of running jars all week. Its harder to use oats for them though. I need to experiment with the 35lbs of oats i have.

Trying to get 3-4lb millet bags is much easier than oats because you can measure the exact water content you need. [About 46% for bags as opposed to roughly 56% for jars]

With oats i havnt been able to dial in the correct moisture for bags. Jars are pretty consistent but those spawn bags need about 5-10% less moisture than jars.


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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel] * 1
    #26579467 - 04/05/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It would be cool to do the same method for bags. Like make a bag holder that fits on the scale and then tear it with an empty bag and proceed.


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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: Sockadin] * 1
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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel] * 1
    #26584920 - 04/07/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Boil grain

Let grain dry

Load grain in bags


Not trying to shit on your tek or anything but imagining doing this at any kind of scale makes my back hurt


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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: Stromrider] * 2
    #26585195 - 04/07/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yea i used to soak wbs, simmer wbs and ive done oats. Wastes time imo. When i have an opportunity to run the PC I like that  i can jump right in and have grain ready to go into Pc within a very short period of time instead of waiting hours boiling/simmering draining,drying..shit spread out everywhere.. just doesnt fit for how stealthy and punctual i need to be in my current situation.

I can have the kitchen rippin' and within 5-6 hours its like it never even happened and i have 14-40 jars worth of spawn to show for it without waiting on shit to soak,  boil or dry.

Kitchen cleaned and everything put away in no time before the kids hit the door.


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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: Stromrider] * 1
    #26585279 - 04/07/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Stromrider said:
Boil grain

Let grain dry

Load grain in bags


Not trying to shit on your tek or anything but imagining doing this at any kind of scale makes my back hurt




To be honest all shout outs go to Crack for this:

1 cup of millet to about half cup of water and PC

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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: CocaineBuffet] * 1
    #26585298 - 04/07/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ill stick to 24hr soak for millet. It's passive and I find problems with contaminants when underhydrated and of course clumping problems when overhydrated.
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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel] * 1
    #26637126 - 04/29/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Might sound stupid but if using milo instead of millet, would you need to change the water ratio? Thanks!


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: huangdeez] * 1
    #26637187 - 04/29/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know. Id probably use 10% more and adjust from there.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel] * 2
    #26637643 - 04/29/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks Pal. When I try it Ill try to remember this thread!


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: huangdeez] * 1
    #26637924 - 04/29/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

thanks -
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    #26637999 - 04/30/20 12:44 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Milo doesn't absorb dick by volume IIRC. I do have 100LB in the pantry... I hope it's not buggy... Milo was also conveniently hydrated with a 24hr soak IME.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel] * 1
    #26639885 - 04/30/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

shevanel said:
The Final Step


Once it hits 0psi grab 2 oven mitts. I open the pressure cooker and grab the top of a jar with an oven mitt. I tighten the lid just a little bit then i bang it against my hand with a mitt over it [do not do this if you cant, use a book or tire whatever, my hands are tough] give it about 4-5 whacks.






Used to my 60 min pc run, and just leaving the jars in overnight to cool.

I def overlooked this 'FINAL STEP' and ended up with grain bursts,  but could
still use the jars. My next run, I will def be taking jars out once pc hits 0
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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: LREAM]
    #26639917 - 04/30/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

You could also just dial back the water you add. Your Millet might require a bit less to become properly hydrated through a cook

Try 5-10% less and use the same process and see where you land.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel]
    #26640585 - 05/01/20 06:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Alrighty will do, figured it just sat too long. Thanks


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: LREAM]
    #26648387 - 05/04/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Frustrated with burst grains. I bought straight millet from a bird store, very clean. I'm down to 100G of water to 230G of millet, plus a little gypsum. Pulling them straight from the PC after 90 minutes. Any ideas?


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shrooms400]
    #26648774 - 05/04/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ratio of burst grains? Are you using hulled millet?

Are you using propane or natural gas?

Pic of grains?

Some burst grains arent that big of a deal. A friend uses millet and milo and has exceptional results even though she too mentions burst grains. She soaks tho and doesnt use this method.

As long as its not predominantly burst youll be alright. Myc will gobble that shit up.

Im curious to see some photos.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel]
    #26649157 - 05/04/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know if the millet is hulled. It came from a bird store, White Proso Millet. I would say its 10% or less burst grains. I have a electric stove. I will run another jar tomorrow and take pics before I shake. Thanks!!


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shrooms400]
    #26649163 - 05/04/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Question: i absolutely despise the smell of rye berry being boiled or PCd. What does this bird seed smell like cooking?


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    #26649171 - 05/04/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

"Put the canner lid on and lock it into place. After a couple mins  the lock mechanism lifts into place and steam starts to escape the vent. "

arent you supposed to wait for rolling boil and large production of steam and then place the weight and pressure lock will shoot up immediately?


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: aga080]
    #26649384 - 05/04/20 11:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Question: i absolutely despise the smell of rye berry being boiled or PCd. What does this bird seed smell like cooking?




If you hate rye then millet or wbs probably kill you. Millet smells starchy almost like corn without any hint of sweetness perhaps grassy but pungent/bitter.

Its not as bad as wbs but quite Similar. Millet smell doesnt linger as long as wbs imo.

You might like oats. They smell like a big pot of tea to me and a bit grassy but not as robust as wbs.

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"Put the canner lid on and lock it into place. After a couple mins  the lock mechanism lifts into place and steam starts to escape the vent. "

arent you supposed to wait for rolling boil and large production of steam and then place the weight and pressure lock will shoot up immediately?




After you put the lid on and the water in the PC starts to heat up the pressure will build just enough afterwhile to engage the cover lock [little cylindrical do dad that raises up] once it does lift then the vent pipe will start to exhaust steam.

That's when you begin your 10 min venting timer before placing the rocker
weight on top of the vent pipe to begin allowing the canner to pressurize.

If you are placing your weight before lock raises then you're bypassing the venting step and youll likely encounter partial sterilization due to trapped air inside of your canner.

I hope that answers your question, had to edit alot..very tired yet cant sleep.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shrooms400]
    #26649418 - 05/04/20 11:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't know if the millet is hulled. It came from a bird store, White Proso Millet. I would say its 10% or less burst grains. I have a electric stove. I will run another jar tomorrow and take pics before I shake. Thanks!!




Thats seems like the correct millet.

Are you at high-altitude?

Electric coil top[old school] or electric glass/flat top?

If coil top  sometimes youll need to lower the burner gradually towards the end of the cycle and slowly drop down to 10 psi then lower heat til 5psi then turn it off. Glasstop surfaces stay hot af after being turned off so that also prevents the pressure dropping too rapidly.

If youre using a glasstop stove try turning the burner off at 75mins then let it sit and drop pressure.

Again, not too big of a deal as long as you dont have a overly wetspot of burst grains all mashed together. Myc will rip right through a few bursts scattered throughout the jar.

If it bothers you though then try those suggestions out.



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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel]
    #26650367 - 05/05/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Question: i absolutely despise the smell of rye berry being boiled or PCd. What does this bird seed smell like cooking?




If you hate rye then millet or wbs probably kill you. Millet smells starchy almost like corn without any hint of sweetness perhaps grassy but pungent/bitter.

Its not as bad as wbs but quite Similar. Millet smell doesnt linger as long as wbs imo.

You might like oats. They smell like a big pot of tea to me and a bit grassy but not as robust as wbs.

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"Put the canner lid on and lock it into place. After a couple mins  the lock mechanism lifts into place and steam starts to escape the vent. "

arent you supposed to wait for rolling boil and large production of steam and then place the weight and pressure lock will shoot up immediately?




After you put the lid on and the water in the PC starts to heat up the pressure will build just enough afterwhile to engage the cover lock [little cylindrical do dad that raises up] once it does lift then the vent pipe will start to exhaust steam.

That's when you begin your 10 min venting timer before placing the rocker
weight on top of the vent pipe to begin allowing the canner to pressurize.

If you are placing your weight before lock raises then you're bypassing the venting step and youll likely encounter partial sterilization due to trapped air inside of your canner.

I hope that answers your question, had to edit alot..very tired yet cant sleep.





thank you very much, this was very informative. I think I will try a the Oats and also thank you for proper method for venting/PC. I swear I read the manual! lol


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: aga080]
    #26650381 - 05/05/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Nice write-up.  I love the efficiency.


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    #26691259 - 05/23/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Have just tryed this tek with 3 jars of 180gr millet and 95 100 105gr of water, PC it for 90 minutes and when i was going to bang my jars after the pressure was gone they where already loose, wasnt necessary to bang it.



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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel]
    #26694750 - 05/25/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

just tried this with milo/sorghum a couple of days ago and the wedges I threw in there are growing fine. Just know if you do use milo use a little extra time to rinse the grains off and separate the chaff at the beginning cuz they were dirty af when they came out the bag.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel]
    #27121052 - 01/01/21 08:02 PM (3 years, 27 days ago)

Going to try this with 20 G2G qt jars in a few days.. I'll keep you guys updated.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: infestedpasta]
    #27126817 - 01/04/21 06:20 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Hey! For anyone else that does this prep.

I'm trying to find a solution to doing this with unmodified lids.

2 jars remain sideways in my PC on top and when I pc with unmodified lids (plastic) I leave them cracked slightly.

When I do this grain prep that water leaks out.

I've resolved this by elevating the lids with empty agar media bottles but I'm looking for a better solution.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: AlsetAlokin]
    #27126851 - 01/04/21 06:36 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

I gave up on no prep millet. Since it's just batches of 10 jars I m just gonna boil em till beginning to swell, then rinse the starch off from broken grains. Once drip-dry load 2/3 full and PC for 90min. No problem with lids that way. Better hydration too IMO.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: Failboat]
    #27126876 - 01/04/21 06:53 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

My sketchy solution that I'm just waiting for one to tip over and leave a sticky mess in my PC...



I absolutely love how lazy no prep is. It also consolidates my workload to one room AND saves me from washing more items than necessary.

I'd switch to bags before going back to prepping grain.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: AlsetAlokin]
    #27126884 - 01/04/21 06:59 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

You don't need the tin foil by the way. I have never used tin foil when PCing grains and they turn out fine. I am curious if everything in your pot is so messy because the jars are all different shapes/sizes?

I have a stack of 2 lid rings 4 on 1 level 4 on the next with the bottom tray laid on top. Usually I am able to fit 7 quart jars standing straight with 2 laid across the top (23qt Presto).

As long as you have the right amount of water to millet you don't have to soak/boil/"dry rinse"/etc. Add the correct amount of water shake/stir to make sure the water is evenly distributed and covering all the grains and PC. Works with WBS too.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #27126907 - 01/04/21 07:13 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Good to know! I was worried about moisture evaporating out of the qt jars so did it as precaution.

If you look closely there's another 500ml media bottle on the bottom layer along 7qts to make a tight fit so nothing rattles around. That could be why it seems uneven and messy. All qt ball widemouth with black ball plastic lids.

The top 2qts rest along the edges of the top 500ml to pin them up at an angle that the water won't leak out.

I do exactly as you mention at the end. No prep 260g millet 150g water 4g gypsum seems to be my sweet spot (a touch dry for up to 15ml LC if needed)


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    #27126916 - 01/04/21 07:17 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Whatever works, but I lost speed for a month cause of dry millet so just be sure to get em plump.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: AlsetAlokin]
    #27126925 - 01/04/21 07:23 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Does the water leak out of the lid? If they are modified with some type of filter your water should be absorbed by your grain during the PC process. I personally have only used modified plastic and modded ball lids.

When I lay my jars sideways I just kind of toss the grain in the jar so it fills the jar halfway horizontally. I do this before PCing and they don't come out leaky or anything. I know plastic lids don't always work with adhesive filters so I do all my plastic lids with silicone. I have moved more towards using the original jar lids with the adhesive filters slightly unscrewed.

Water inevitably pools up on top but the grain is clean once I secure the lid back on top gently.

I also I am in the gypsum makes no difference for cubes camp so that is something else that lacks in my prep. Water + grain + heat + time = Good grain IMO


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: Failboat]
    #27126933 - 01/04/21 07:27 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

To QM:

Noted! Thank you and I appreciate the input.

I did have a batch come dry and it stalled me out for a bit. And I notice the jars I add LC or LI to plump up a bit more, so I might adjust my water content.

Cocaine:

Unmodded plastic lids is where I come across problems.

My modded metals worked perfectly because I could lay them on the side without the GE hole.

I agree gypsum is probably redundant but my jars get cluuuuumpy and I feel like it helps me out by 5%. Could try and have a go without it.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel]
    #27231799 - 03/01/21 09:48 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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I cover each polyfill jar with my saved leftover aluminum foil squares from my last jar run and load them all into the canner. I dont let my [millet] jars sit in water.





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I use 2  1/3 because i dont want the bottom of the jar submerged in water for various reasons.




Why dont you want the jars sitting in water during PC? please school me!


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    #27308126 - 05/14/21 09:41 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I followed this tek for a set of pint jars, and the gypsum didn't distribute well even with swirling, so this time I put the dry millet into the pint jars WI h the gypsum, then put a regular/unmodded jar lid on and shook it vigorously to distribute the gypsum over the grains, then added the water and swirled a bit. Will report back if this worked better.

Thanks for the tek! Despite the issue above, my pan myc seems happy on it.


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    #27317884 - 05/21/21 06:43 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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I followed this tek for a set of pint jars, and the gypsum didn't distribute well even with swirling, so this time I put the dry millet into the pint jars with the gypsum, then put a regular/unmodded jar lid on and shook it vigorously to distribute the gypsum over the grains, then added the water and swirled a bit. Will report back if this worked better.

Thanks for the tek! Despite the issue above, my pan myc seems happy on it.




This indeed worked better than swirling the lump of gypsum powder into the water in the jars.


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    #27333833 - 06/03/21 12:23 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

I have been doing really great with rye berries and corn, finally got a large order of millet and gave this a shot to save some time.

I did 10 jars, did a little less water in the jars, and they all turned into 50% mush. I did used a scale.  This is my first time not doing a soak and boil as well as my first millet prep.

Any suggestions?

Also 1/3 water level seems kinda dangerous IMHO


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    #27333859 - 06/03/21 01:01 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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I have been doing really great with rye berries and corn, finally got a large order of millet and gave this a shot to save some time.

I did 10 jars, did a little less water in the jars, and they all turned into 50% mush. I did used a scale.  This is my first time not doing a soak and boil as well as my first millet prep.

Any suggestions?

Also 1/3 water level seems kinda dangerous IMHO




You are using hull-on millet, yes? This is sold as chicken feed or for wild birds. It should look like this.

My jars have been working out great with a little less water and shaking the gypsum in the jar with the dry grain, then adding the water. Here's how mine look:



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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: Moopers] * 1
    #27631476 - 01/24/22 08:41 PM (2 years, 3 days ago)

Love all of the feedback and tips to further improve the tek. Its been a while but im coming back into a grow soon and have some exciting things to share.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel]
    #27631611 - 01/24/22 10:57 PM (2 years, 3 days ago)

I like it!

I haven’t tried millet yet but i did try something similar to this with wbs and the bottom turned to complete mush lol

I was having a better time using the grain plus water then pc with oats. They wouldn’t burst and came out perfect.


I didn’t have it as dialed as you with the grams and everything tho, nice work!


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    #27631829 - 01/25/22 07:34 AM (2 years, 3 days ago)

Is this “dusty” look on the glass normal after a shake? 



If not is it because the miller is too dry?

This is what it looked like before the shake



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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: schpat]
    #27637301 - 01/29/22 10:15 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Seems a little wet and the millet you used might have been gritty and dirty. Did you sift it while dry ?

Wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't succeed tbh.

Might need to dial something in next batch

Hard to tell sure in pic but has that cooked rice look. Concerning tbh


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    #27640747 - 02/01/22 10:59 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I used the wrong type of millet. Mine was hulled not bird feed millet. So more like Couscous.


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Re: [TEK] 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: shevanel]
    #27754665 - 04/28/22 08:03 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

What happens to the water in the jars? It gets absorbed by the millet?


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Re: 30 Minute Millet: Grain Prep - No Soaking, Rinsing or Boiling! [Re: deadmandave]
    #27864956 - 07/16/22 03:27 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Thank you! I love this TEK and am going to try it today! 2 questions:

1. Have you tried halving the recipe in PINT jars? I only have 3 QUART jars at the moment...

2. You mentioned that feed store millet was not "coated" grain. I bought my millet from the bulk aisle in a grocery store and it is already pretty clean. I am not sure what you mean by "coated" and if that is a bad thing? Is food grade millet not good for spawning?


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