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Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms?
    #26577551 - 04/04/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

A few weeks ago I tested my first batches of mushrooms. I ate 15 g fresh one day and then about 20 g fresh two or three weeks later. Both times I had a level 1 experience, so according to the dosage calculator those mushrooms were about 40% as potent as "standard" mushrooms. I weight about 90 kg, but I don't know how much body weight affects the dosage, nor how the calculator was calibrated.

Currently I have about 40 g grown from different cakes and from spores from a different source, but grown basically the same way. I'd like a level 3 experience, and if I assume these are the same potency as last time, I'd have to eat 60 g. But if they're actually standard potency 40 g would be a level 4 trip instead. I'm not scared of a stronger trip than intended, I'd just like to know what to expect.

So, what do you guys do? Do you test your batches to get a feel of the potency, or do you just wing it?


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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #26577581 - 04/04/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I generally test. 1.5g-2g dried or 15-20g fresh.

I don’t expect much for these tester doses, but occasionally am surprised. But, it allows me to dose appropriate dosages at appropriate times, versus just going for it... Which I am not opposed to, I started out eating mushrooms by either small handfuls or big handfuls. After a while of that, I bought a scale. LoL


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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #26577590 - 04/04/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Don't get too caught up on "__ grams is supposed to be a level __ trip"

Everyone reacts different and every mushroom is different.

I usually test/have friends test my new batches, but just work up slowly.

However, once you have a good feeling on how your shrooms are, don't be afraid to take the leap...

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I'd just like to know what to expect.




I understand the desire for safety and security, but expectations are rarely held up in the psychedelic world. I have a routine for days I trip (clean the house, meditate, make stuff accessible such as headphones, eye mask, fruit, water, etc) which I do to help guide my trip to be more as "expected," but even then I'm usually quite surprised at how my attempts to control can turn sideways.

All that being said, it seems like you are doing a good enough job growing that you won't have a shortage of mushrooms, so either keep working up slowly, or don't. Its totally up to you!

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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: mind.at.large]
    #26577737 - 04/04/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

For the first time - I grew a great HUGE batch of mushrooms - gave some to my friends and they said they were awesome as well. Happy because an 8th is a HARD hitter opposed to having to eat 4.5 to get where I needed to before.

Excited to try 4/4.5 grams of this new batch. Because 3 grams really blew my socks off........ just hope they're nicer to me next time around:lol:


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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: Shr00mEater] * 1
    #26577789 - 04/04/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I generally test. 1.5g-2g dried or 15-20g fresh.

I don’t expect much for these tester doses, but occasionally am surprised. But, it allows me to dose appropriate dosages at appropriate times, versus just going for it...


Yes, that's what I was thinking of doing.

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Don't get too caught up on "__ grams is supposed to be a level __ trip"

Everyone reacts different and every mushroom is different.


I don't, and I definitely agree that every mushroom is different; and furthermore, even our neurochemistry changes somewhat from day to day. However, I think the key to avoiding disappointment is to have realistic expectations, and to me disappointing trips are kind of a bummer, if still fun.

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I understand the desire for safety and security, but expectations are rarely held up in the psychedelic world.


Don't get me wrong, I take trips as a Forrest-Gump-box-of-chocolates kind of thing with regards to specific effects, thoughts, emotions, etc., but I do think trips have a measure of overall and difficult-to-define intensity that's primarily affected by dosage. Continuing the analogy, eating one box of 50 grams of chocolates may be different from eating a different box of the same weight, but they're more similar to each other than to eating 10 grams or a kilo of chocolates.

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All that being said, it seems like you are doing a good enough job growing that you won't have a shortage of mushrooms, so either keep working up slowly, or don't. Its totally up to you!


Oh, no, my question wasn't aimed at optimizing my usage of the mushrooms. This current batch came from two cakes' first flush, there's a third cake that's still pinning its first flush, I have four more jars that should finish colonizing within ten days, and I'm starting to experiment with agar! Once I get a clean culture I'll inoculate my first grain jar.
So yeah, as long as I can procure supplies I don't see myself being short on mushrooms for the foreseeable future. :smile: I simply wanted to know what other people did to regulate their dosages, if anything.

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For the first time - I grew a great HUGE batch of mushrooms - gave some to my friends and they said they were awesome as well. Happy because an 8th is a HARD hitter opposed to having to eat 4.5 to get where I needed to before.


Lucky friends. I'm still trying to figure out practical preservation methods, so even if I had enough to share I couldn't. Yes, I know about dehydrators, but they're insanely expensive where I live, and I don't want to experiment with fan-drying until I have larger yields.


Thanks for your answers, everyone. It sounds as I figured that people do eliminate the uncertainty of potency by testing.


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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: InsultingLizard] * 1
    #26578264 - 04/04/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds like you got your stuff figured out!!

Good luck again to ya and make sure to clone one of your fruits once you get agar figured out!

Also, look online for a dehydrator. I got mine for $30 a few years and even though its super cheap, it continues to run! In fact, mine probably runs 24/7 (especially during prime mushroom season)

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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: mind.at.large]
    #26578400 - 04/04/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’d lower the test dose, but that’s just how I do it.

When testing potency I’m not trying to have a real trip, just get to pre threshold salient effects.

For me that’s about .3 grams , I used to test at 1 g and .5. But sometimes it was stronger enough a fruit of a flush to induce actual trips, so I use .3 g to test potency now.

Also I use a blender to blend a whole flush of a grow or multiple grows into a fine powder,  and once it’s mixed so as to create a homogenous mixture,  I use a test dose of .3g from that so as to be more accurate of potency on future 3-7g dose trips.


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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #26578437 - 04/05/20 12:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

1-2 grams dry or 10-20 grams wet is definitely a good range to test in. Its just enough to get a good idea of potency.

In my experience, you can get an idea of the potency by smell. You can almost smell the psilocybin in the shrooms if you practice enough. The stronger the smell, typically the more potent they are by weight.


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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: InsultingLizard] * 1
    #26578504 - 04/05/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you’re eating fresh:

Assume water content varies between 90% and 95%. You will only know this for definite if you have dried some of the harvest. If the mushrooms feel quite dry, they’ll tend towards 90%. So 35g fresh would equal roughly 3.5g dry. If the mushrooms are wet, like I had recently, I took 55g fresh which equates to 3.1g dry.

Can you see where I’m going with this? The 15g fresh you took was barely psychoactive! Try 50g fresh next time.


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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26578521 - 04/05/20 01:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My go-to has always been around 1.4 grams for testing. I can usually gauge from that how much kick I’m dealing with.


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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26578533 - 04/05/20 01:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I said 50 g because he has taken 15g and got level 1, then 20-30g and got level 1. So I reckon the mushrooms were either very wet or weak, or both. So 50 g wet would equate more to 3g dry. That will get him beyond level 1 :-)


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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: CountHTML]
    #26578538 - 04/05/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

1.4grams? Oddly specific. I like it! :strokebeard:

For me, I go the standard 1 gram dried. I usually gauge by volume with fresh.


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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: InsultingLizard] * 1
    #26578545 - 04/05/20 01:39 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That's a good point, I hadn't thought of that. It would only be a small difference in water content, but since mushrooms already contain so much water, the amount of actual mushroom tissue could change a lot. I guess I really can't say if they were weak or not without having dried them.


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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: InsultingLizard]
    #26578548 - 04/05/20 01:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You can get a rough idea of the water content of your fresh shrooms by handling them with your hands.


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    #26578566 - 04/05/20 01:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I agree, LC. I harvested what were obviously wet mushrooms (2mweeks of fruiting while I was a way at work), and after drying half worked out 93.7% water. Which was quite shocking because 55g wet I would assume would be 5.5g dry, but my ratio actually worked out as 3.1g dry. There’s a huge diffeeence in potency that comes from a small change in water content. My second flush the mushrooms felt normal dry for fresh. I got much less tea from 50% more fresh material; each cube from flush 2 equals 1.75g dry equivalent, the first flush was 0.74g dry equivalent per ice cube! Huge difference.....


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Re: Test dosage for home-grown mushrooms? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26578872 - 04/05/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Wet is always hit or miss. Dry them cracker-dry and then weigh your doses..

I grind my whole batches into a fine powder and make chocolates with 1g each. This way all chocolates will be of the same strength.
Homogenizing potency ftw. And chocolates store the powder airtight and dark. They keep good and potent for years.

To test potency I eat one chocolate /1g.

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