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Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies
    #26577358 - 04/04/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hello,

This is my first grow. It is a Rusty White genetic. Spawned from agar, then G2G. Coco-coir + vermiculite as bulk and as casing. I believe that I made every step right, except that I committed the error of lefting a tiny space when taping the holes.

I left my monotub incubating for 20 days without checking it. When I first opened up It had some flies in It and also smelled vinegary or alcoholic.

The mycellium is continuously spreading but It has a yellow tang in It. I killed the flies with some fly aerosol killer.

Any feedback, comment or helpful idea is gladly appreciated.

TIA

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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: hadezb]
    #26577368 - 04/04/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That little sliver of hole you left won't do any harm. your spawn was more than likely dirty

your tub is definitely bacteria contaminated

shouldn't smell like alcohol/vinegar


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: xnirvanax]
    #26577375 - 04/04/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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That little sliver of hole you left won't do any harm. your spawn was more than likely dirty

your tub is definitely bacteria contaminated

shouldn't smell like alcohol/vinegar




Pretty weird. Bacteria is not supposed to do alcoholic fermentation. Yeast does that, isn't it?


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: xnirvanax]
    #26577384 - 04/04/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Next time out the bin into fruiting conditions right away or at least only incubate it for a few days.. or even better, don’t incubate.  They colonize fine in 65F-75F.  If it’s a little cooler, it’ll just take a little longer, but you won’t fry your tub, which is what I think you did here.

Remember that the sub produces its own heat by being alive.

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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: fahtster]
    #26577438 - 04/04/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Next time out the bin into fruiting conditions right away or at least only incubate it for a few days.. or even better, don’t incubate.  They colonize fine in 65F-75F.  If it’s a little cooler, it’ll just take a little longer, but you won’t fry your tub, which is what I think you did here.

Remember that the sub produces its own heat by being alive.

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Where I live It is 80-85F most of the day and night. Is it lost?


I think you are right with your guess because I left it with things in the lid making some pressure and the temperature of the room was very hot already.


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: hadezb]
    #26577471 - 04/04/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah that’s pretty warm.. is it really humid too?  If it’s that temp all the time and really humid as well.. you may be able to open air fruit.  Just have to keep an eye on it and mist it as/if it dries out... for next time that is.. I’d say that one you have now is toast.. I’d throw it outside and see if it does anything but if there was flies and the smells you said, I’d say it’s a lost cause

EDIT: but it doesn’t look super bad, if you want to keep trying with it, give it lots of fresh air.. up to you. I know I’m giving mixed signals :lol:  the smell and bugs are what’s making say it’s toast, but it’s not the worst looking sub that I’ve seen get fruits from

  If you’re using a normal ratio (1:1, 1:2, 1:3) it shouldn’t take longer than a week to colonize if your spawn is healthy.. especially at those temps. 

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Edited by fahtster (04/04/20 03:13 PM)


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: hadezb]
    #26577509 - 04/04/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Pretty weird. Bacteria is not supposed to do alcoholic fermentation. Yeast does that, isn't it?




Edit: Found the following on the interwebs:
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Bacillus species continue to be dominant bacterial workhorses in microbial fermentations. Bacillus subtilis (natto) is the key microbial participant in the ongoing production of the soya-based traditional natto fermentation, and some Bacillus species are on the Food and Drug Administration's GRAS (generally regarded as safe) list. The capacity of selected Bacillus strains to produce and secrete large quantities (20-25 g/L) of extracellular enzymes has placed them among the most important industrial enzyme producers. The ability of different species to ferment in the acid, neutral, and alkaline pH ranges, combined with the presence of thermophiles in the genus, has led to the development of a variety of new commercial enzyme products with the desired temperature, pH activity, and stability properties to address a variety of specific applications.

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These abortions were from one of my first attempts. They smelled like apple cider with alcohol. Alcohol isn't necessarily a byproduct of contamination, but your nose can't really tell in some cases. Regardless, it shouldn't smell like vinegar, alcohol, or anything strong. Also, it should never look like this lol.



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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: fahtster]
    #26577518 - 04/04/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah that’s pretty warm.. is it really humid too?  If it’s that temp all the time and really humid as well.. you may be able to open air fruit.  Just have to keep an eye on it and mist it as/if it dries out... for next time that is.. I’d say that one you have now is toast.. I’d throw it outside and see if it does anything but if there was flies and the smells you said, I’d say it’s a lost cause

EDIT: but it doesn’t look super bad, if you want to keep trying with it, give it lots of fresh air.. up to you. I know I’m giving mixed signals :lol:  the smell and bugs are what’s making say it’s toast, but it’s not the worst looking sub that I’ve seen get fruits from

  If you’re using a normal ratio (1:1, 1:2, 1:3) it shouldn’t take longer than a week to colonize if your spawn is healthy.. especially at those temps. 

Faht




In summer RH is 67-55%, I don't know if that is humid enough. In winter It is 77-88%.

Yeah, I know It's somewhat complicated. I has placed a fan on top of the lid to disperse hot air around my tub. Let's see If It improves. I did a 1:2 ratio. It's a 67qt tub. I really don't want to lose it. I know It was very ambitious for a first grow, but I thought that I was doing every step right. I forgot about climate. A cultivator near my area told me that our climate is very suitable for growing Cubensis so I dind't have to worry about that. Not true.

EDIT: For the fresh air, do you recommend to me to replace the top holes with micropore tape and keep the fan going? I have that option.


Edited by hadezb (04/04/20 03:37 PM)


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: Morbility]
    #26577522 - 04/04/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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hadezb said:
Pretty weird. Bacteria is not supposed to do alcoholic fermentation. Yeast does that, isn't it?




These abortions were from one of my first attempts. They smelled like apple cider with alcohol. Alcohol isn't necessarily a byproduct of contamination, but your nose can't really tell in some cases. Regardless, it shouldn't smell like vinegar, alcohol, or anything strong. Also, it should never look like this lol.






What is wrong with that spawn in your pictures? Too much moisture inside? Sorry, I'm new to this.


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: hadezb]
    #26577530 - 04/04/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

lol everything was wrong with that spawn. Loaded too wet, didn't PC long enough, inadequate filters on the lids, possibly more. Basically, I did everything to that batch that you're not supposed to do.

Also, see my edit up above for geeky info. Turns out that bacteria can ferment depending on what is growing in your project.


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: hadezb]
    #26577537 - 04/04/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Cubes are a tropical species so those temps are good for them, but they need fresh air.. a sealed anaerobic environment at those temps is going to invite contamination

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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: fahtster]
    #26577548 - 04/04/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What about going for broke and just burying it outside to give nature a chance?


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: Morbility]
    #26577561 - 04/04/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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What about going for broke and just burying it outside to give nature a chance?



I have no soil, hehe. I can compost it, but after I see anything will grow :frown:.


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: Morbility]
    #26577598 - 04/04/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

(Hi again Morbility.)

Anything that doesn't smell like your substrate or mushrooms means you fucked up and need to dump it outside of your house. Don't open it in the house after the first hint of stink. Don't ever stick your face into a tub full of toxic mold spores. Ever. Cubes may be tropical but best bet to grow is 70-75* because 1) temps above 80* invite contams and 2) slower growing cubes (due to lower temps) are, in general, more potent.  Flies?! Jeezafuk, man. Why do you need to ask if that's ok?


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: InfraredRick]
    #26577630 - 04/04/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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(Hi again Morbility.)

Anything that doesn't smell like your substrate or mushrooms means you fucked up and need to dump it outside of your house. Don't open it in the house after the first hint of stink. Don't ever stick your face into a tub full of toxic mold spores. Ever. Cubes may be tropical but best bet to grow is 70-75* because 1) temps above 80* invite contams and 2) slower growing cubes (due to lower temps) are, in general, more potent.  Flies?! Jeezafuk, man. Why do you need to ask if that's ok?




Already stick my face in there like three times. Toxic mold spores? Please, don't scare me. Do I REALLY must throw that away? I thought It was normal because I din't open my tub in 3 weeks and alcohol/vinegar is a common by-product of fungal metabolism.


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: hadezb]
    #26577861 - 04/04/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Healthy tubs smell like mushrooms.

Continuing to cultivate your tub of contaminants will make it more difficult to have a successful grow in the future.


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: Stage]
    #26579371 - 04/05/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

To the trash. It grow trichoderma today. Thanks to all for your responses. I'll keep learning and start small.


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: hadezb]
    #26579400 - 04/05/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The title drew me in....

I wondered curiously, what possible question could this poster have?

Then, I read that OP has killed most of the flies with aerosol.

However relieving that may be for him, I am left with only more questions........


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: hadezb] * 1
    #26579520 - 04/05/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Bummer about the trich, OP. If I might make a suggestion:

Maybe for your next run do some shoeboxes instead. You'll be distributing your spawn across different containers, so if one or two are ruined you don't lose your whole run. I had a year of spectacular failures in monotubs before getting a harvest, and looking back on my decisions I probably would've had an easier time learning if I started off a little smaller.

ShaperDreaming's SFF Shoebox Tek is pretty awesome and detailed if it's something you're interested in.


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Re: Mycellium has a yellow tang, smells alcoholic and has flies [Re: Morbility]
    #26579562 - 04/05/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’ve had some flies in tubs before, they were a little bacterial and had the sweetish smell but they were far enough along that I got a good flush from both. There aren’t too many absolutes in this game, just some things that work better most of the time. But it’s true that if you have obvious contaminant molds you don’t wanna breath them in just in case they’re nefarious.

What did you spray to kill the flies? I wouldn’t be spraying any kind of toxic stuff into my tubs at all.


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