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#26575758 - 04/03/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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so i started making shroom tea ice cubes but im out of trays. can i just throw them in a 1 gal bag? or how long is shroom tea good for in liquid form in the fridge?
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: numnum59]
#26576476 - 04/04/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It will stay good for probably a week in the fridge. Maybe longer but I’m not sure. I don’t see why you couldn’t put them in a bag but you will probably have to break them apart when you want to dose.
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: numnum59]
#26576613 - 04/04/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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@PrimalSoup freezes his fresh mushroom tea in a bottle; bottle has to be thawed out to pour of an individual dose. The thawing and re-freezing will have a detrimental effect on potency.
So I freeze mine in trays, then you only need to thaw out the individual cubes.
But a question for you guys, regarding the trip you get from these cubes; I’ve tripped twice now from my fresh tea cubes, and both trips have been disappointing. I don’t know if I’ve built a tolerance, but the trips is so different to dried. I don’t get the 3D expansive music, it just sounds flat. The visuals are really disappointing. I get a spell of about 30 minutes once the mushrooms kick in, but it is super intense, like I’m getting all the chemicals all at the same time. From actual fresh mushrooms a few weeks back, I was tripping hard at 20 minutes, out of body at 40 minutes and on the way back down again at 3 hours. With the ice cube tea, it feels like I have a massive peak lasting about 30 minutes, then I’m on the way down again. Last night it took an hour to start, then a massive super fast ramp up in intensity, then I was quite lucid by 2 hours.
Does the freezing process destroy some of the lesser chemicals? Is it the fact I made the tea with lemon that is making it so intense and short lived? Last night it felt like a 4 to 6 hour trip was condensed into 2.5 hours, with the first hour of that I was waiting for it to start......
Any thoughts?
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26576697 - 04/04/20 05:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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So I'm just repeating something I read in another thread, but the extraction (which is done with the water) causes rapid oxidation on the converted psilocin (converted from psilocybin by the lemon). I imagine the freezing should halt that process as well, but who knows how quickly the exposed psilocin degrades in the oxygen rich water, especially boiling water where the oxygen is being forcibly separated from the hydrogen by the heating process. Perhaps the hour or so between making the tea and it being totally frozen is enough to make a noticeable difference in potency. I've only microdosed (and minidosed) with frozen tea, but I'm not sure that I'm noticing a difference. From what I understand lemon tek and tea tek are both viable stand alone processes, but to do both is probably overkill, and possibly detrimental. Lemon tek mushrooms should probably be used ASAP. People report using 3+ year old frozen tea with no noticeable potency loss. Also the double tek could be contributing to the very concentrated trip and peak. Making it very bioavailable and also putting it in a very rapid mode of distribution would make for a very short and intense peak. Tomorrow I plan on taking a preprepared 2.25 tea shot right after eating 1-1.5 dried. Hopefully this will give me a short come up with a long, deap, and intense peak.
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Thank you for your thoughtful response; there are loads of plausible paths in there to explore. I think I need to rule out tolerance build up first, so I’m going to take at least 3 weeks break.
Whatever happened to the psilocin during boiling (very plausible, I used the water in the mushrooms to boil themselves), is now locked in place, so that variable is fixed. I have a stash of dried Mazatapec from the same flush, so after 3 weeks, I’ll try an equivalent dry dose (approx 3.7g dry) and see how that trip plays out.
I was really “upset” last night throughout it all; I mean if you’re not going to get “the magic”, and the music sounds crap, I was thinking what is the point 
A final thought though, at one point I stood at the back door and felt the cold air on my face for ten minutes. My mood really lifted and I clocked that I should have been outside somewhere camping. Bit difficult under curfew though!
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26576931 - 04/04/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you use lemon juice in the ice cubes?
The fast and intense come up and peak which ends, almost aburuptly, into a non euphoric and short lived “afterglow”; sounds a lot like any time I have tried lemon tek.
If so, and you prefer a longer trip, I suggest eating a gram or a couple of dried about 15 mins before the ice cubes.
Or possibly try the ice cubes with food to slow absorption?
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26576995 - 04/04/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It’s a definite thought, dude, thanks. I think I’ve got to rule out all the variables. So I’m going to let my tolerance completely go. Probably should wait a month, but with the tedium of the lockdown, it might be 3 weeks. And I’ll try a 3.7g dry dose, boiled as I always used to with lemon juice. But maybe for storing fresh tea as ice cubes, I should cut out the lemon in the tea. Save that for dried mushrooms.
The other worrying thing that’s been mentioned is the oxygen in the water degrading the psilocin while it’s boiling but mainly freezing. To be scientific, I could boil the water for 30 minutes then put the mushrooms in, to rule out oxygen in the water destroying the psilocin.
Lots to consider before I despair though cheers
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26577039 - 04/04/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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To be clear I was saying because it was converted to psilocin first before the boil is why it may have been affected so much. People myself included, have made many batches of tea without lemon and have not experienced what you describe. Boiling is a very reliable way to extract the chemical safely. You can even boil whatever tea you made down into a shot without hurting it. Psilocybin is a much more stable chemical than psilocin. A lot of people will say that tea doesn't work because they do what you described with boiling the water and then putting it over the mushrooms to "simmer". This doesn't effectively extract everything and people will often put it up to the heat damaging the chemical, even though those who actually boil for 5-30 minutes (30 if you want to reduce the volume) will say that this is definitely not true.
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Right got you, thank you. My next batch I will do the tea without lemon before freezing and compare that. Cheers
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26577798 - 04/04/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said: Right got you, thank you. My next batch I will do the tea without lemon before freezing and compare that. Cheers
i have to say it but i think you were the one preaching this to me in my other thread :P
im scared for a dud trip as well, gonna just eat my fresh boomers i have now
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26578164 - 04/04/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe pour it into a plastic cup, cover and freeze the cup?
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: numnum59]
#26578417 - 04/04/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Of coarse! Put the cubes in a plastic baggie. In the past, I used a plastic storage bin with a sliding shelf. It was pretty cool.
Definitely going to do it in the future.
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: numnum59]
#26578527 - 04/05/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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numnum59 said: i ended up just throwing them into a gallon bag as per these instructions...
https://www.alcademics.com/2018/11/ice-advice-the-right-way-to-store-ice-in-the-freezer.html
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LogicaL Chaos said: Of coarse! Put the cubes in a plastic baggie. In the past, I used a plastic storage bin with a sliding shelf. It was pretty cool.
Definitely going to do it in the future.
Hmm great comments. My ice cube trays do have lids, but they’re not air tight lids. Somebody else has mentioned the oxygen destroying the frozen psilocin, never understood that until now!!
I’ve been getting advice offline from @PrimalSoup who has given me some pointers to try, but I am still convinced; the trip from fresh is (usually)so much nicer than from dry. He has had trips from frozen similar to what I described, and put it down to a few possibilities; late harvest mushrooms (tick), weak mushrooms (tick - 55g wet equalled 3.1g dry), and some other stuff.
It definitely sounds like the actives had degraded, even in the short 3 weeks they’ve been frozen for. Ah well, you live and learn. Just a shame all my grain deliveries are held up at the moment, I’m literally dying to get some more tubs going..........
And this waiting for tolerance to go at times drives me nuts, especially after 2 poor trips. I just want the magic back
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@PrimalSoup does freeze his in sealed bottles. The reason I went for ice cube trays is so that I wouldn’t have to thaw out the whole batch each time to get a dose; the thawing and re-freezing cycle does degrade the actives! Obviously less than the air though.....
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26578539 - 04/05/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good thinking.
Just had a great idea: Shroom Shave Ice. Mmmmmmmm.
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#26578617 - 04/05/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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i do appreciate the research that is being done here, and am happy to be apart of it
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: numnum59]
#26578646 - 04/05/20 03:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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#26578733 - 04/05/20 04:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just ordered some A4 sized baggies for the ice cube trays! You live and learn. Ah well about 1.2kg fresh mushroom tea down the pan......
At least the pina colada was splendid
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26578786 - 04/05/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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DJ Ed you could still thaw out more than your normal dose and try reducing the volume of the liquid with more boiling. If the oxygen and psilocin thing is correct to an extreme degree than it may do more harm than good, but I guess if you're not opposed to more liquid or the taste then you could down a bit more to fix the dose problem, if you check out Mushboy's Making Mushroom Tea thread you'll find that those who up the dose a little bit can still easily reach the depth and length of high dose dried doses, but with easier ingestion and quicker/less come up and anxiety. I haven't personally done a high dose tea trip (I bitched out tonight which is normal for me) but from the mini doses I've taken I would agree with this (the come up part).
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26578788 - 04/05/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you've tripped several times in the last couple weeks, it's entirely possible you've just got tolerance build up. Keep in mind, when primal was dosing daily, he was taking hundreds of grams worth for desired effects.
I believe cubes tend to dry down to 6-7% of their wet mass instead of the 10% many people think of. now 3-4 percent doesn't seem monumental, but when you consider that's 30-40% of your expected dry dose it can be significant.
I don't understand why you think thawing and re-freezing your tea would negatively affect potency.
oxygen in the air could potentially affect it, but I wouldn't expect it to have a large effect.
If you don't let the ice cubes warm up before putting them in a plastic bag and keeping them in the freezer they won't freeze together. The only reason they would is if the outside of the cube melted slightly and was wet on the outside when they were frozen together.
I don't understand why you would put ice cube trays in plastic bags...
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: Hobbyist]
#26578832 - 04/05/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes that’s a fair point. So you reckon freezing the ice cubes and THEN putting into air-tight bags? I might split the next flush 50:50, then freeze half in trays and transfer to baggies when frozen, and the other half in trays inside baggies, and see if there is any noticeable diffeeence. And I definitely want to rule out tolerance; I have been dosing at 2 week intervals very successfully for at least 6 months, but the trip from actual fresh a few weeks back was super intense, while still being gentle and forgiving. Maybe it was so intense it necessitates more than my usual 2 week gap, so anything I’ve taken since then could have been rubbish just for that reason.
I think it’s probably a combination of a few things.
Cheers for responding DJ Ed
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I think it’s probably a combination of a few things;
1. Weak mushrooms (the first flush was very wet, 93.7% water content, so a 55g fresh tea I had would have equated to 3.1g dry, not the expected 5.5g dry!
2. Tolerance build up.
3. Strange recent rips;,probably 5 out of 6 I’ve freaked on cannabis after years of synergy between cannabis and mushrooms; all my trips with this Mazatapec flush have been without cannabis.
4. Not storing the ice cubes in air tight bags once frozen (going to also try bagging the trays while freezing), to rule out oxygen degrading the actives
5. I’m going to make the tea using 1:40 quantity of citric acid, instead of my usual “lemon Tek tea” of pouring a random amount of lemon juice over the mushrooms before boiling in water.
6. Thawing method: first time I let them thaw out, which was a HUGE mistake; 2nd time rather than boil them in extra water as I’d planned, I blended them in a pina colada smoothie, which was actually awesome. But I will boil in water next time just for science......
Thanks for responding DJ Ed
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
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I put the cubes in a metal measuring cup and place that in a hot water bath in a bowl. It melts very fast and seems to work pretty well. I just take that in a shot. I also don't believe there would be any difference with airtight containers or potency loss after it's all frozen. I just think that in the initial preparation the oxidation of the converted chemicals could be significant for any material not used or frozen immediately. I may also be wrong though and it could be totally due to the fast absorption of the lemon tek and the tolerance factor.
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I might also try not slicing the mushrooms up before I boil them. I’ll mash them instead once the mixture is bubbling away...
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26580196 - 04/05/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry for your loss friend. Live and learn right?
That's why they call it a "flush"
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
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DJ Ed said: @PrimalSoup freezes his fresh mushroom tea in a bottle; bottle has to be thawed out to pour of an individual dose. The thawing and re-freezing will have a detrimental effect on potency.
Not true, within some unknown limits it has no effect whatsoever I've ever noticed. If you thaw and refreeze in like an hour it definitely doesn't matter, although the taste starts to go from merely bad to utterly vile eventually.
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RichardCranium said: So I'm just repeating something I read in another thread, but the extraction (which is done with the water) causes rapid oxidation on the converted psilocin (converted from psilocybin by the lemon).
Nah. Neither lemon tek or acidified tea teks (see acidic tea tek) convert psilocybin to psilocin, and the actives that go into the water are undegraded, stay in the water undegraded for years if frozen. If you make tea or lemon tek fresh fruits you benefit from enhanced extraction of psilocin as well, some of which is lost to oxidation while drying. Ordinary tea works just as well provided you use about 10 times as much water to account for the lesser solubility over acidic tek. If you want to know exactly look here: Gold: The Mushroom Entheogen - The Measure of the Mushroom. That's what got me started with acidic tea in the first place. 
What lemon tek apparently does is improve the digestion in one pass of the actives because it attaches citrate compounds to them (there's some chemical name for this), which thus increases the % in the bloodstream because the digestive tract absorbs those citrated actives more easily, which makes the dosage stronger - and/or or at least come on faster and last less long - which most people find to be the same sort of thing.
There are studies demonstrating this uptake process in rats, at least, listed somewhere in the vast history of posts here. And what you find is that in both rats and humans about 50% of the actives, if not treated with citric acid, are excreted undigested. So the improvement could be as much as 2x stronger (which if memory serves is what people typically report), and that's worth looking into. 
Not ragging on you in particular, RC, you just triggered me. 
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especially boiling water where the oxygen is being forcibly separated from the hydrogen by the heating process.
If that were actually true we'd all be driving hydrogen powered cars by now. I fucking wish. 
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No pal, I appreciate your constant help! It’s just a shame I didn’t fully listen! So I’ve got a tub of citric acid ready for the next flush, and following a previous thread I should aim for a ratio of 1:40 citric acid to final weight of boiled liquid. Straight into ice cube trays into sealed baggies. That will lock in the actives. Somewhere along the way, I started to believe that the lemon juice was converting psilocybin partially into psilocin, but never really grasped what it all meant; thank you for clarifying.
It’s not the end of the world, just really disappointing I got something so easy so wrong! Fortunately I have frozen dried stocks of B+, GT, Ecuador, and half of my last Mazatapec harvest, s some rye grain on the way from one of the Shroomery’s German sponsors 
The other shame is this lockdown, I’m at home for an extended spell, and I should be tripping regularly like a good ‘un, but I’m now having to rule out possible tolerance!!
No P.S.< thank you for explaining, once again.
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
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Haha never knew that’s why it’s called a flush! Now you mention it, I have flushed a few harvests into the bin.......thank the lord for agar and LC.
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26580841 - 04/06/20 12:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Glad you got that little joke there 
Sounds like you got that technique down. A very valuable skill in the trippin bizz
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
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DJ Ed said: Somewhere along the way, I started to believe that the lemon juice was converting psilocybin partially into psilocin, but never really grasped what it all meant; thank you for clarifying.
Unfortunately like some simple seeming things it's actually not. I thought it might be true but the chemical energy just isn't there and no matter how hard you search for some legit research saying it does you can't find any - just a lot of people repeating what they've read or heard - like boiling destroys actives. That last one still propagates today. 
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26580861 - 04/06/20 12:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I’m feeling so much happier this morning already 
One final coffee then off to thaw out a lot of ice cube trays before another day “working from home”.
I’ve always boiled the hell out of my mushrooms, and never noticed any reduction in potency 
Just re-read the citric acid post too; seems the ideal ratio is 1:50, so for my last tea made from 600g wet at about 90% water content, I would have used 12g citric acid, and about 100-200ml water (I’ll work that one out when I have another flush to process...)
Have a great day, sir DJ Ed
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26582056 - 04/06/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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1:50 is easy to figure out on the fly. Beyond that the brew just got harder to tolerate but no more potent.
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26582158 - 04/06/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for that Primal Soup. Maybe the bioavailability change is what caused the two things to be conflated since they have effectively similar consequences. Since the conversion isn't actually happening degradation shouldn't be a worry, but out of curiosity, psilocin is much less stable and vulnerable to oxidation than psilocybin, yes?
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Quote:
RichardCranium said: Thanks for that Primal Soup. Maybe the bioavailability change is what caused the two things to be conflated since they have effectively similar consequences. Since the conversion isn't actually happening degradation shouldn't be a worry, but out of curiosity, psilocin is much less stable and vulnerable to oxidation than psilocybin, yes?
yes, thats why there is less psilocin in dried mushrooms. it degrades due to the drying process.
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26583320 - 04/07/20 06:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Real interesting article, PrimalSoup 
So the key:-
But psilocin has difficulty dissolving in water, and psilocybin is easily dissolved in water. Since psilocin is especially unstable in alkaline solution, I felt that an acidified aqueous solution would be the best to use as a solvent
Boom!
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26637284 - 04/29/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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casting necromancy spells on this thread but i am about to try some of the shrooms cubes i made. ill report back
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: numnum59]
#26637933 - 04/30/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Please do pal, all mine from r=two flushes got thawed out and binned a while ago, but only because the harvests were weak; trying to save them with an alcohol extraction, but I’m dying to try the frozen cubes - got a few weeks to go yet until next flush ready......
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26889295 - 08/19/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you so much! I was having trouble finding a good tek.
Couple questions:
1) when to add the acid? Before or after heating?
2) in the paper you gave by gold says psylocibin turns into psylocin if heating it in acidic solution. Is it correct? If it is then the tea will be pure psylocin?
Thanks in advance!
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: Shroom_lover]
#26889317 - 08/20/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Add the citric acid first. Psilocybin gets converted by the body into psilocin; I have never heard of this working the opposite way round.
Take care DJ Ed
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: Shroom_lover]
#26890021 - 08/20/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shroom_lover said: Thank you so much! I was having trouble finding a good tek.
Couple questions:
1) when to add the acid? Before or after heating?
2) in the paper you gave by gold says psylocibin turns into psylocin if heating it in acidic solution. Is it correct? If it is then the tea will be pure psylocin?
Thanks in advance!
1) Before adding shrooms to tiny amount of water.
And 2) that isn't happening here. The acids required are stronger than you'd want to work with, like the lowest end of possible stomach acid or more.
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26964037 - 10/01/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey guys I’m jumping on this thread as I’m keen to create a mushroom tea in ice cubes for microdosing. ( it’s only 42 days old. Not like I’m resurrecting a years old thread).
I’ve actually made blue juice and used trays to divide it up before but I didn’t take any measurements so I don’t know the dosage amount of each ice cube. One cube is more than a 0.2g dried shroom dose but it’s not at the level of a low trip. You don’t get any visuals or distortion of things. No warping or walls breathing. But you do notice brighter colours and a feeling of calm ( that’s a hard thing to describe).
So I’m researching and plan to document a more precise method of creating a ice cube microdose. Something that my wife and I can take in the morning and still be able to function at work ( both customer service focused jobs).
So I’m wondering if anyone else has tried the blue juice method. I liked it but I need to be more exact with the measurements. And I would like opinions on either blue juice or tea as a better method for ice cube storage.
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: AyEyDiZed]
#26965451 - 10/02/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just make tea with citric acid (1:50 fresh weight. If you have 500g fresh, use 10g citric acid). Dry say 100g of your fresh harvest to work out water content, then from weight of remaining fresh you can work out their total equivalent dry weight. Once the tea is made, (I use a syringe for this part) measure doses into ice cube trays, and remember to seal them from the air. Divide the equivalent dry weight by number of ice cubes and the answer is the exact dose of each cube
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