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#26575758 - 04/03/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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so i started making shroom tea ice cubes but im out of trays. can i just throw them in a 1 gal bag? or how long is shroom tea good for in liquid form in the fridge?
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: numnum59]
#26576476 - 04/04/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It will stay good for probably a week in the fridge. Maybe longer but I’m not sure. I don’t see why you couldn’t put them in a bag but you will probably have to break them apart when you want to dose.
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: numnum59]
#26576613 - 04/04/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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@PrimalSoup freezes his fresh mushroom tea in a bottle; bottle has to be thawed out to pour of an individual dose. The thawing and re-freezing will have a detrimental effect on potency.
So I freeze mine in trays, then you only need to thaw out the individual cubes.
But a question for you guys, regarding the trip you get from these cubes; I’ve tripped twice now from my fresh tea cubes, and both trips have been disappointing. I don’t know if I’ve built a tolerance, but the trips is so different to dried. I don’t get the 3D expansive music, it just sounds flat. The visuals are really disappointing. I get a spell of about 30 minutes once the mushrooms kick in, but it is super intense, like I’m getting all the chemicals all at the same time. From actual fresh mushrooms a few weeks back, I was tripping hard at 20 minutes, out of body at 40 minutes and on the way back down again at 3 hours. With the ice cube tea, it feels like I have a massive peak lasting about 30 minutes, then I’m on the way down again. Last night it took an hour to start, then a massive super fast ramp up in intensity, then I was quite lucid by 2 hours.
Does the freezing process destroy some of the lesser chemicals? Is it the fact I made the tea with lemon that is making it so intense and short lived? Last night it felt like a 4 to 6 hour trip was condensed into 2.5 hours, with the first hour of that I was waiting for it to start......
Any thoughts?
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26576697 - 04/04/20 05:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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So I'm just repeating something I read in another thread, but the extraction (which is done with the water) causes rapid oxidation on the converted psilocin (converted from psilocybin by the lemon). I imagine the freezing should halt that process as well, but who knows how quickly the exposed psilocin degrades in the oxygen rich water, especially boiling water where the oxygen is being forcibly separated from the hydrogen by the heating process. Perhaps the hour or so between making the tea and it being totally frozen is enough to make a noticeable difference in potency. I've only microdosed (and minidosed) with frozen tea, but I'm not sure that I'm noticing a difference. From what I understand lemon tek and tea tek are both viable stand alone processes, but to do both is probably overkill, and possibly detrimental. Lemon tek mushrooms should probably be used ASAP. People report using 3+ year old frozen tea with no noticeable potency loss. Also the double tek could be contributing to the very concentrated trip and peak. Making it very bioavailable and also putting it in a very rapid mode of distribution would make for a very short and intense peak. Tomorrow I plan on taking a preprepared 2.25 tea shot right after eating 1-1.5 dried. Hopefully this will give me a short come up with a long, deap, and intense peak.
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Thank you for your thoughtful response; there are loads of plausible paths in there to explore. I think I need to rule out tolerance build up first, so I’m going to take at least 3 weeks break.
Whatever happened to the psilocin during boiling (very plausible, I used the water in the mushrooms to boil themselves), is now locked in place, so that variable is fixed. I have a stash of dried Mazatapec from the same flush, so after 3 weeks, I’ll try an equivalent dry dose (approx 3.7g dry) and see how that trip plays out.
I was really “upset” last night throughout it all; I mean if you’re not going to get “the magic”, and the music sounds crap, I was thinking what is the point 
A final thought though, at one point I stood at the back door and felt the cold air on my face for ten minutes. My mood really lifted and I clocked that I should have been outside somewhere camping. Bit difficult under curfew though!
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26576931 - 04/04/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you use lemon juice in the ice cubes?
The fast and intense come up and peak which ends, almost aburuptly, into a non euphoric and short lived “afterglow”; sounds a lot like any time I have tried lemon tek.
If so, and you prefer a longer trip, I suggest eating a gram or a couple of dried about 15 mins before the ice cubes.
Or possibly try the ice cubes with food to slow absorption?
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26576995 - 04/04/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It’s a definite thought, dude, thanks. I think I’ve got to rule out all the variables. So I’m going to let my tolerance completely go. Probably should wait a month, but with the tedium of the lockdown, it might be 3 weeks. And I’ll try a 3.7g dry dose, boiled as I always used to with lemon juice. But maybe for storing fresh tea as ice cubes, I should cut out the lemon in the tea. Save that for dried mushrooms.
The other worrying thing that’s been mentioned is the oxygen in the water degrading the psilocin while it’s boiling but mainly freezing. To be scientific, I could boil the water for 30 minutes then put the mushrooms in, to rule out oxygen in the water destroying the psilocin.
Lots to consider before I despair though cheers
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26577039 - 04/04/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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To be clear I was saying because it was converted to psilocin first before the boil is why it may have been affected so much. People myself included, have made many batches of tea without lemon and have not experienced what you describe. Boiling is a very reliable way to extract the chemical safely. You can even boil whatever tea you made down into a shot without hurting it. Psilocybin is a much more stable chemical than psilocin. A lot of people will say that tea doesn't work because they do what you described with boiling the water and then putting it over the mushrooms to "simmer". This doesn't effectively extract everything and people will often put it up to the heat damaging the chemical, even though those who actually boil for 5-30 minutes (30 if you want to reduce the volume) will say that this is definitely not true.
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Right got you, thank you. My next batch I will do the tea without lemon before freezing and compare that. Cheers
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26577798 - 04/04/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said: Right got you, thank you. My next batch I will do the tea without lemon before freezing and compare that. Cheers
i have to say it but i think you were the one preaching this to me in my other thread :P
im scared for a dud trip as well, gonna just eat my fresh boomers i have now
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26578164 - 04/04/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe pour it into a plastic cup, cover and freeze the cup?
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#26578385 - 04/04/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: numnum59]
#26578417 - 04/04/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Of coarse! Put the cubes in a plastic baggie. In the past, I used a plastic storage bin with a sliding shelf. It was pretty cool.
Definitely going to do it in the future.
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: numnum59]
#26578527 - 04/05/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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numnum59 said: i ended up just throwing them into a gallon bag as per these instructions...
https://www.alcademics.com/2018/11/ice-advice-the-right-way-to-store-ice-in-the-freezer.html
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LogicaL Chaos said: Of coarse! Put the cubes in a plastic baggie. In the past, I used a plastic storage bin with a sliding shelf. It was pretty cool.
Definitely going to do it in the future.
Hmm great comments. My ice cube trays do have lids, but they’re not air tight lids. Somebody else has mentioned the oxygen destroying the frozen psilocin, never understood that until now!!
I’ve been getting advice offline from @PrimalSoup who has given me some pointers to try, but I am still convinced; the trip from fresh is (usually)so much nicer than from dry. He has had trips from frozen similar to what I described, and put it down to a few possibilities; late harvest mushrooms (tick), weak mushrooms (tick - 55g wet equalled 3.1g dry), and some other stuff.
It definitely sounds like the actives had degraded, even in the short 3 weeks they’ve been frozen for. Ah well, you live and learn. Just a shame all my grain deliveries are held up at the moment, I’m literally dying to get some more tubs going..........
And this waiting for tolerance to go at times drives me nuts, especially after 2 poor trips. I just want the magic back
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@PrimalSoup does freeze his in sealed bottles. The reason I went for ice cube trays is so that I wouldn’t have to thaw out the whole batch each time to get a dose; the thawing and re-freezing cycle does degrade the actives! Obviously less than the air though.....
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26578539 - 04/05/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good thinking.
Just had a great idea: Shroom Shave Ice. Mmmmmmmm.
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#26578617 - 04/05/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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i do appreciate the research that is being done here, and am happy to be apart of it
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: numnum59]
#26578646 - 04/05/20 03:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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To New Ice Cube Frontiers
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#26578733 - 04/05/20 04:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just ordered some A4 sized baggies for the ice cube trays! You live and learn. Ah well about 1.2kg fresh mushroom tea down the pan......
At least the pina colada was splendid
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Re: storage of shroom tea ice cubes [Re: DJ Ed]
#26578786 - 04/05/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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DJ Ed you could still thaw out more than your normal dose and try reducing the volume of the liquid with more boiling. If the oxygen and psilocin thing is correct to an extreme degree than it may do more harm than good, but I guess if you're not opposed to more liquid or the taste then you could down a bit more to fix the dose problem, if you check out Mushboy's Making Mushroom Tea thread you'll find that those who up the dose a little bit can still easily reach the depth and length of high dose dried doses, but with easier ingestion and quicker/less come up and anxiety. I haven't personally done a high dose tea trip (I bitched out tonight which is normal for me) but from the mini doses I've taken I would agree with this (the come up part).
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