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I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic
    #26575398 - 04/03/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I feel like every day I am seeing the USA deteriorate when it doesn't need to be happening this way. 
We really could have handled this much better if we had a President in charge who actually was competent and cared about the people.
Every day I want to post on social media how much I dislike Trump but I don't want to be that crazy person who always is talking bad about the president.

Dr. Fauci doesn't understand why there hasn't been a federal order for the country to stay at home yet, and I also don't understand.

I don't know where I'm going with this post, I guess I just needed to vent a little.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 2
    #26575469 - 04/03/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The second there is an order to stay home, you will be calling him a tyrant for making people stay at home.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: Eminence]
    #26575541 - 04/03/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Not at all!  I'm not sure why you would think that of me.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26576918 - 04/04/20 09:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

America is winning the race to suffer more than any country on earth from this virus. It’s Trump, the rest of them, and last but not least the people.

You reap what you sow.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 2
    #26577057 - 04/04/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Dr. Fauci doesn't understand why there hasn't been a federal order for the country to stay at home yet, and I also don't understand.




People forget what a tremendously large and varied country America is. There are quite a few states that are very rural and isolated and don't hang out at bars ect all day.


These also tend to be places that are ran almost entirely by mom and pop shops. Their economy is barely hanging on as it is, they don't want to put the nail in the coffin.

Do you think, that when the country moves on to trying to rebuild, that we will be thinking of the little towns and 'farms' in Montana? No most of the relief plans will be focused on cities, as it has been for years. We've left places like Littletown, MT to fend for themselves. Forcing them to do things they don't need to do is... frankly just shitty.

It's almost exclusively midwest states that haven't locked things down yet. But even still the townships and small businesses and the public are trying to stay home more. Which is fine... because most of them did that anyway.

Alot of rural states could afford to just lockdown cities and large population areas.



Also, unless I'm mistaken, not all of China locked down. They took serious measures (that we are not) but never issued stay at home orders for the whole country.

What they did in the latter phases was if a business had a person who had confirmed covid19 that entire business was shut down for a minimum of 2 weeks. It seems to have been relatively effective.

But... China has dealt with scary epidemics before. They're used to the social protocol. We're not because ya know... the last one we had the government did basically nothing except shoehorn in a vaccine that was faulty to a point that people still think you can get the flu from the flu shot.

Because you could in those first vaccines.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #26577221 - 04/04/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

China was dragging people out of their homes kicking and screaming and welding people inside their homes. And shroomery members say they are a good leader. Imagine what people would be saying if the same thing happened here


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: Eminence] * 2
    #26577366 - 04/04/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Some parts of the country they did that. I imagine it would not have flown well in some (more affluent and powerful) parts of the country.


Still the state had no problem saying you CANNOT leave your home if you've been exposed, affluent or not.
And your business or place of work had to go through a sterilization period. They tackled that shit pretty hard.


Still their approach was problematic. You would avoid getting tested at all costs if it threatened your livelihood.

And that human rights thing. But that's been a grey area in China for a long time.



:ohwell: I'm still not entirely convinced the measures we've already taken were the right call. ie shutting down ... basically the entire economy aside from Amazon, streaming, and grocery.


COVID has killed 63,000. Suicide kills about 800,000 per year in better times. 70,000 Americans die from drug overdose each year in better times.



Confining people to their homes and shutting down things like "elective" recovery programs and therapy... probably not helpful by some measures.

But we know mental illness and drug addiction is bad and somewhat know what to expect with it. We don't know what to expect with COVID.



Again it's not that COVID is wildly deadly or anything. It's just that it's new.
At least as far as we know so far. That's not to say that it wouldn't be. We don't know.

All I do know is that the people dying from being rejected for "elective" surgery and other health resources, mental illness, and all the other stuff that happens when life isn't great... is going to skyrocket.



Was it worth it?

That's a question for the future. When we know more about this coronavirus and see the long term effects of these decisions.


HOWEVER assuming there ever is another Spanish flu or bubonic plague that does make people drop like flies.... I believe the practice and the plans we're making today were well worth it.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26577912 - 04/04/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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lifeiswhatyoumake said:

Dr. Fauci doesn't understand why there hasn't been a federal order for the country to stay at home yet, and I also don't understand.




People forget what a tremendously large and varied country America is. There are quite a few states that are very rural and isolated and don't hang out at bars ect all day.

Do you think, that when the country moves on to trying to rebuild, that we will be thinking of the little towns and 'farms' in Montana? No most of the relief plans will be focused on cities, as it has been for years. We've left places like Littletown, MT to fend for themselves. Forcing them to do things they don't need to do is... frankly just shitty.

It's almost exclusively midwest states that haven't locked things down yet. But even still the townships and small businesses and the public are trying to stay home more. Which is fine... because most of them did that anyway.




Yes, USA is huge country.  We need a leader who has the skills to be able to unite all fifty states of this big country.  Trump isn't capable of that. 
I sure hope that we think about Littletown, MT during all of this.  It would be un-American if we didn't.
And yes, a lot of areas of the USA are rural, but we can't not order them to also stay home because all it takes with this highly contagious virus is one person to keep the spread going and cause a new wave of global infection.  One Joe Smo from Littletown, MT can travel to NYC for vacation and cause a new spread because no one told Littletown how to handle themselves during a viral pandemic. 
"Ohhh our mayor told us to stay home, but I will wait until the President tells me to stay home because he is who I listen to."  I bet you could hear a lot of that from rural people.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #26585903 - 04/08/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Man out here in Peru men can only come out of their house every other day and is the same for women by law (like men come out monday, women tuesday, ya get it). No one can come out on sundays and curfew is at 6PM everyday..

It fucking sucks!! Who the fuck gives a shit if the old die, I wanna go out and work and make money, this pandemic is fucking the economy up.

People are sick in the mind, anxious and stressed about the possibility of catching the virus, yet I dont know anyone who knows anybody who is actually sick from this virus.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: Double]
    #26587365 - 04/08/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I care about old people dying. It's not just death bed-age that are at risk, it's retirement-age people that are at risk. I don't know the situation in Peru, but where I am, all the old people that are out are wearing masks and gloves too anyway. I'm no expert but some of the lock downs do seem excessive in some places though.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: Eminence]
    #26587614 - 04/08/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Lifeiswhat - Trump isn't acting alone, or unilaterally. And, Faucí is not an economist.

It is just more of the same.



Trumps detractors were already talking about an investigation a few days ago.... reminds me of those tiny dinosaurs that attack in packs to overpower larger prey.... or ankle-biter dogs....

The problem most have with Trump is personality-based, and issued from the sidelines no less - with, in the case of this virus, no possible way to even "know any better".  Nothing like this virus outbreak has happened before, and so much has been done to combat this, it is amazing.  The level of management across multiple institutions always so saturated in Red Tape bullshit is amazing to see.  It fucked us at first, but things are running better now. 

What specifically to you shows that he is too "incompetent" to handle this.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: DoneKildatReason]
    #26587792 - 04/09/20 12:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't get upset at what Trump does anymore, because that would be expecting anything of him.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26587797 - 04/09/20 01:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Boring, typical response :rolleyes:


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: Eminence]
    #26587803 - 04/09/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Boring, typical response :rolleyes:




Not meant to entertain I just can't get upset at a man I knew was going to screw everything up. In a dark sense he is amusing to watch.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: Thanatos10] * 3
    #26589782 - 04/09/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

In 3 or 4 months, if less people have died than originally projected, and if our economy comes back to life, I've already seen that the Far-left-wing-nutz have said it will just be Trump "spinning" his failure into a success.  In their eyes he has all their blood on his hands. 

They've committed, already before this has peaked even, to the idea of Trump's failure, regardless of what happens.  That is why they have NO CRED. Just like the Far-left-wing-nutz opening an investigation already, before this thing has even peaked - NO CRED. 

If they would pick their battles more wisely instead of so widely, they would have retained some CRED - instead they have attacked literally everything, right or wrong, and have shown that their opinions are consistently biased.

Thanatos - I thought he was going to screw everything up too, and thought him winning in '16 was a joke.  It is surprising to see, when you set aside distaste of character traits, some of the results he produces.  The denial of that seems always to come from those who just flat-out hate him, regardless of what he does - which makes it easy for most of the country to see right through it.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: DoneKildatReason] * 2
    #26589809 - 04/09/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:idea:
I just realized this was in P&MWB forum.
Hmmmm...

Symptoms:
A feeling of wanting to burst with rage, but unable to place the cause anywhere other than character trait distaste. The inability to recognize or acknowledge any positive realities regarding the current state of things, leading to a disproportionate amount of Tears.

Diagnosis: Classic T.D.S.

Cure: None known.  This syndrome stems from a deep-seeded disease of the mind that is very unlikely to be easily corrected.  One method of treatment is to willfully drop character distaste biases, and to strengthen research skills to better know Facts - but one will also need to stop the compulsion to Spin the details to fit what's known as the "Orange-man-Bad" mindset.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: DoneKildatReason]
    #26590541 - 04/10/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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They've committed, already before this has peaked even, to the idea of Trump's failure, regardless of what happens.  That is why they have NO CRED.





*sigh*

If you don't understand by now then I don't think you ever will.
The Trump administration was so delayed in providing the public with adequate, safety information and a solid plan for a successful navigation through this pandemimc. A LOT of people were and are being fired from their jobs.  The most in decades. Maybe ever.  A lot of people are dying and getting sick that don't need to be.  The guy said the pandemic was "very much under control in the USA" on February 29.  Haha now look at where we are!  Almost every business is shut down!  That doesn't seem "under control" at all, unless you're delusional like Trump is.
Are you not aware of all this?

Since it doesn't seem you are, I'll be helpful and give you the link to the timeline of Trump's public statements regarding COVID19 and how they correlate with the experts: https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/mar/20/how-donald-trump-responded-coronavirus-pandemic/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/timeline-president-donald-trump-changing-statements-on-coronavirus/

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A feeling of wanting to burst with rage, but unable to place the cause anywhere other than character trait distaste. T







You're a fool.  You're ignorance of reality is what is wrong with this country.  You're just putting words in my mouth at this point.  I have clearly layed out why I feel this way.  You're gonna have to do better than that.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #26592226 - 04/10/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

" *sigh*"?

Quitch'yer bitchin'

There was no and is no saving everybody from death or job-loss, no previously made "adequate safety info" or "solid plan" that exists for this situation - it is new, takes time to manage, and much red tape to untangle. Once this started, we were in for pain and loss - whether or not the mitigation is working (and 8f it *should have been* expedited) and to what extent it is lessening the pain and loss is speculative and subjective.
Blaming any one man is a far reach for most people, especially when considering that there are multiple opinions and personalities poured into the decision making - but that is exactly what a minority has done, making every reach and stretch to construct their narrative .  And wouldn't you know, it is those that have hated him all along.  In their minds, an action or word from Trump is by definition a failing, leaving no room possible for success. No success would ever be admitted or seen as success.  No pleasing some.
That is why I say, NO CRED. 
And no, you haven't "clearly layed" out anything, except proof that you will accept nothing as positive from Trump, and will side with all of the negative twists and spins - and anyone who doesn't agree with your biased perception is wrong, and ignorant.  Thankfully you unreasonable left-wing-nutz who think the bodies should be laid at Trumps feet are in the minority!


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #26592510 - 04/11/20 01:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Trump has very little concern for the long-term consequences of his actions. If people are afraid, the economy slows which lowers his approval ratings. It doesn't much matter to him that he is putting people at risk, or that he's nurturing a distrust of doctors, the medical community and the media. As long as he achieves what he's aiming for, he doesn't care


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: DoneKildatReason] * 2
    #26592557 - 04/11/20 01:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yall I'm questioning having such a politically focused thread here in the first place. Please be somewhat respectful to each other.


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    #26592567 - 04/11/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Anyway 59 million people got swine flu in the us in 2009. It killed 12000 Americans, 200000 worldwide. And it traveled from America.

This swine flu was known to be in American and Mexican pigs and could potentially hop to humans in the 90's.

And Obama did absolutely nothing. There's no mass closures or campaigns to inform the public. No travel bans when it could have been stopped at the American Mexican borders. Literally nothing was done except pushing for a vaccine quietly. And the first executions of that vaccine were bad.


To me it's pretty clear it's not who's sitting in tje oval office but rather the government itself and our culture.


Trump is obviously a product of that culture and we should be taking a good hard look at ourselves. But it's easier to look at someone else's faults. As if they exist in a vacuum.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: DoneKildatReason] * 3
    #26592575 - 04/11/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

today is my and my gf first day without severe symptoms. My 30 year old healthy friend died alone in his basement quarantined away from his family and his wife found him the next morning. he had gone to the hospital for help twice. Its not like anything ive felt before. Its like a flu mixed with dope withdrawals mixed with a panic attack for 2 weeks. I made right with my god and made a video for my daughter in case i didnt make it. I have a underlying fear its not over and will come back

The ER looked like a warzone inside but the waiting rooms were empty. People almost crawling in getting denied care because they could sorta breathe. I blame our government and the nonprofits who told everyone it was only on surfaces to stop panic and protect the economy by hiding it was airborne. I knew it was from day 1. I blame healthcare corporations for throwing human lives at the pandemic instead of resources, and I blame politicians who have been sounding alarm bells since 9/11 about biological attack but were woefully unprepared to respond, I guess it was grandstanding.

We need a pandemic protocol, a policy of standard measures for isolation and mandatory quarantine which is lifted after measurable goals are obtained. Its not loss of rights, its survival.

You realize it doesnt matter who is president or what you were mad about the day before when you cant breathe.

All trump demonstrated is if you get enough borderline personalities behind you, you too can be the mouthpiece of a broken system and act only to protect the status quo of the oligarchy. he would have blown us all the fuck up like in the movie outbreak if he could get away with it and slept like a baby.
Would prob hit the red button himself. Trump doesnt care about anyone and fooled a nation into thinking he would help them.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: DoneKildatReason]
    #26593735 - 04/11/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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no previously made "adequate safety info" or "solid plan" that exists for this situation
it is new, takes time to manage, and much red tape to untangle




Yes, there was.

"The Global Health Security and Biodefense unit — responsible for pandemic preparedness — was established in 2015 by Barack Obama’s National Security Advisor, Susan Rice ( here ). The unit resided under the National Security Council (NSC) — a forum of White House personnel that advises the president on national security and foreign policy matters.

In May 2018, the team was disbanded and its head Timothy Ziemer, top White House official in the NSC for leading U.S. response against a pandemic, left the Trump administration, the Washington Post reported ( here ). Some members of the global health and security team were merged into other units within the NSC, the article said. "

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-trump-fired-pandemic-team/partly-false-claim-trump-fired-pandemic-response-team-in-2018-idUSKBN21C32M

We should have been much better prepared than we were for this pandemic.  We had the tools available and Trump threw those tools away!  We have wasted soo much time trying to prepare for this pandemic as it's happening.  Mass testing should have been happening months ago.  Mass testing is how we will be able to get out of this pandemic and re-open our economy.



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That is why I say, NO CRED. 
And no, you haven't "clearly layed" out anything, except proof that you will accept nothing as positive from Trump, and will side with all of the negative twists and spins - and anyone who doesn't agree with your biased perception is wrong, and ignorant.  Thankfully you unreasonable left-wing-nutz who think the bodies should be laid at Trumps feet are in the minority!




I agree, Trump takes no credit for the failed response of the USA to this pandemic. 
And no, I review all evidence of something and then make an educated decision.  If there is real evidence of something that proves me wrong then I will admit I'm wrong and grow mentally.  It's just that Trump is wrong almost every time, so it creates an illusion that I will side with all negative twists/spins.  Don't blame me for that, blame Trump!  Go talk to him and try to convince him to stop being wrong all the time.
I'd like you to review the evidence I posted above of Trump disbanding the pandemic preparedness team in 2018.


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    #26593752 - 04/11/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This swine flu was known to be in American and Mexican pigs and could potentially hop to humans in the 90's.

And Obama did absolutely nothing. There's no mass closures or campaigns to inform the public. No travel bans when it could have been stopped at the American Mexican borders. Literally nothing was done except pushing for a vaccine quietly. And the first executions of that vaccine were bad.


To me it's pretty clear it's not who's sitting in tje oval office but rather the government itself and our culture.






Swine Flu isn't nearly as contagious as COVID19.  Swine flu has a much shorter incubation period than COVID19.
This means a much stronger response is needed for COVID19 when compared to Swine Flu.

Obama realized we need a pandemic team, so that's why he made one in 2015.  Then in 2018 Trump got rid of it because he likes to undue things Obama did, probably gives him a little rush of dopamine.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: scrantonstrangler]
    #26593858 - 04/11/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

@scrantonstrangler, sorry to hear about your friend.  I can't imagine that.

I'm super glad you and your girl are feeling better!!!  As you might know by now, a lot of people say they get better from COVID and then get worse the next day.  Not trying to scare you, but please stay cautious and don't overexert yourself til you're 100% better.

The rest of your post I agree with.  It's nice to see other people with clarity on the situation.


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Re: I find myself getting closer to bursting with rage over how Trump is handling this pandemic [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 2
    #26595948 - 04/12/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you. Yes already went through the false sense of being well then getting even worse. I do have some fear I will get sick again but feeling pretty good today. No smell, stomach issues, fatigue. No way to be sure but doing well.


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