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Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up
    #26574815 - 04/03/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

When I PC my jars, the oats inside keep coming out sticking together and it looks wet.

I'm doing bods tek. I followed his oats and PCing tek to the letter.

The mistake I think I made, is that when I loaded the oats, they felt sticky, but passed the toilet paper test.

What is causing them to be sticky? I had extra oats left out, and they felt almost not sticky at all and dry. Is that what it's suppose to feel like? I let mine cool off as long as Bod stated in his tek bud maybe I need more time?

My lids could be a concern, but now after feeling the oats that were left to dry, the lids may not be a concern.

I Used poxy and some of the filters have a VERY small gaps around. I'm not even sure if thee gaps go all the way back. I don't think the gaps are small enough for the amount of water to get in, that would be required to make all the grains look the same.

https://imgur.com/a/TjwlVBM

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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: IFreeMe]
    #26574828 - 04/03/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe you boiled too long and they got starched.

Smash open an oat,  is it white inside and firm or greyish smushy


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: shevanel]
    #26574859 - 04/03/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If your filters have any gaps whatsoever they’re not gonna work.

You could try switching to bird seed and see if it’s the grain or the lids.

Just soak it between 12 and 24 hours then scoop out a strainer full and let it drain for 20 mins then load it in the jars.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: A.k.a]
    #26574902 - 04/03/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Are you using whole oats? With the shell thing still on - edit, just noticed the pic link. 👍

I soak oats for 24 hours or so, lay them out on a towel for a bit and then PC. But a simmer can work too if time is a concern.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26575195 - 04/03/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Are any of your oats sticky like mine? They almost feel slimy.

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shevanel said:
Maybe you boiled too long and they got starched.

Smash open an oat,  is it white inside and firm or greyish smushy




It looks like mashed potatoes.

How should it look?

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If your filters have any gaps whatsoever they’re not gonna work.

You could try switching to bird seed and see if it’s the grain or the lids.

Just soak it between 12 and 24 hours then scoop out a strainer full and let it drain for 20 mins then load it in the jars.



That's the issue though. It could be the lids. I can't tell how far the gap goes. It looks like it's just on the outside but could go further in. I used a shit ton of epoxy on each lid though.

I guess I should cover all of the holes with epoxy and that way I'd eliminate the problem?

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Are you using whole oats? With the shell thing still on - edit, just noticed the pic link. 👍

I soak oats for 24 hours or so, lay them out on a towel for a bit and then PC. But a simmer can work too if time is a concern.



So from bods tek he doesn't soak them, so I wasn't either. I'm not sure why the oats would work for him and countless other people, but not be.

Are your oats sticky or slimy? Or completely 100% dry? I guess they feel dry, but slimy it's kinda weird to describe.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: IFreeMe]
    #26575264 - 04/03/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds like you are using hulled oats as well as cooking them too long.

Ive heard of people using hulled but prep surely cant be the same

A picture is worth a 1000 words here


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: shevanel] * 1
    #26575297 - 04/03/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Sounds like you are using hulled oats as well as cooking them too long.

Ive heard of people using hulled but prep surely cant be the same

A picture is worth a 1000 words here




What do you need a picture of? LMK and I'll snap one.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: IFreeMe]
    #26575429 - 04/03/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

He wants to see if you're using whole oats and not hulled oats. Whole oats are just that, oats with the shell/hull intact. I follow one of the trusted teks and boil 12 cups (makes 9 jars) for about 45 mins using my uncovered pc. Start with cool water at least 3x the level of the oats, start heat at medium and bring up slow or you might warp the bottom of the pc, crank the heat to high, once the water begins boiling start a timer for 30 mins. Roil that boil, let it rock, stir occasionally. At 30 mins start watching for oats that have lost their hulls. For me, it's 45 mins when I begin seeing a very few de-hulled oats. At that point I dump into big collanders, drain, then pour out on a 3'x4' surface covered by thin cotton tea towels. Crank the ceiling fan on high and occasionally stir them up w a spatula. I wait till they are totally cool and dry to touch, about 2 hours. Almost all oats still have hulls, like 98%. Then I load jars.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: IFreeMe]
    #26575456 - 04/03/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What kind of filters are on your lids? They look kind of like SHIPs to me... never seen a filter like that, but I'm a little new.

I do oats following Bod's tek as a guideline, but mine are pretty dirty and yours might be too. So I do a little bit extra:

  • Measure out dry oats.
  • Place in a large strainer or better still, a big window screen over the sink.
  • Rinse the hell out of them with cold water to wash dust and debris off. Then rinse them some more. This helps prevent clumping, sticking, etc.
  • Boil the water first, then when it's at a hard boil dump in the grains and stir.
  • Give them a good stir every few minutes while they're boiling.
  • Boil for 30 minutes and then pull one out and cut it in half with scissors. It should be gray. To compare, cut open a dry one and compare the color.
  • Check for some burst grains as well. This is a good indicator that you're at or very close to finishing the boil.
  • Pull the pot off the stove and strain your oats.
  • Stir until the steam stops.
  • Spread on screen and let them sit overnight. If all you have is a strainer, give them a stir once in a while to redistribute moisture.
  • Before loading they should pass the toilet paper test. You should also be able to run your hand through them without them sticking to you. Your hand shouldn't feel wet at all after handling them.
  • Load into jars and PC.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: Morbility]
    #26575470 - 04/03/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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InfraredRick said:
He wants to see if you're using whole oats and not hulled oats. Whole oats are just that, oats with the shell/hull intact. I follow one of the trusted teks and boil 12 cups (makes 9 jars) for about 45 mins using my uncovered pc. Start with cool water at least 3x the level of the oats, start heat at medium and bring up slow or you might warp the bottom of the pc, crank the heat to high, once the water begins boiling start a timer for 30 mins. Roil that boil, let it rock, stir occasionally. At 30 mins start watching for oats that have lost their hulls. For me, it's 45 mins when I begin seeing a very few de-hulled oats. At that point I dump into big collanders, drain, then pour out on a 3'x4' surface covered by thin cotton tea towels. Crank the ceiling fan on high and occasionally stir them up w a spatula. I wait till they are totally cool and dry to touch, about 2 hours. Almost all oats still have hulls, like 98%. Then I load jars.




Are these the right ones?

https://imgur.com/a/29IH4tW

So the mistake I am making, is that the oats are not dry enough? When yours are dry, they have no slimy feeling at all correct? Like I said, they passed the paper towel test, but were slimy.
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What kind of filters are on your lids? They look kind of like SHIPs to me... never seen a filter like that, but I'm a little new.

I do oats following Bod's tek as a guideline, but mine are pretty dirty and yours might be too. So I do a little bit extra:

  • Measure out dry oats.
  • Place in a large strainer or better still, a big window screen over the sink.
  • Rinse the hell out of them with cold water to wash dust and debris off. Then rinse them some more. This helps prevent clumping, sticking, etc.
  • Boil the water first, then when it's at a hard boil dump in the grains and stir.
  • Give them a good stir every few minutes while they're boiling.
  • Boil for 30 minutes and then pull one out and cut it in half with scissors. It should be gray. To compare, cut open a dry one and compare the color.
  • Check for some burst grains as well. This is a good indicator that you're at or very close to finishing the boil.
  • Pull the pot off the stove and strain your oats.
  • Stir until the steam stops.
  • Spread on screen and let them sit overnight. If all you have is a strainer, give them a stir once in a while to redistribute moisture.
  • Before loading they should pass the toilet paper test. You should also be able to run your hand through them without them sticking to you. Your hand shouldn't feel wet at all after handling them.
  • Load into jars and PC.





They are syringe filters .22 um and SHIP.

That's the mistake I'm making then. I'm going to lay them out on a towel or a plastic bin lid and put a fan on them. Thanks for your suggestions. I wish I had a second colander, but I think with a fan they will dry faster anyway.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: Morbility]
    #26575481 - 04/03/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Morbility above is more careful than me. I start with unrinced oats already in the cool water. I tried timing based on looking at a cut oat but could never decide what I was seeing.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: InfraredRick]
    #26575489 - 04/03/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, my wide mouth qt jars have plastic lids with 1/2 holes plugged with a tight ball of poly. Drilled metal lids rust, don't use them. Those oats look like they are already dehulled. Get a 50lb bag of whole oats from Tractor Supply or any feed supply store for like $20 and microdose till rapture. They are sold as horse feed.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: IFreeMe]
    #26575496 - 04/03/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Those look like the correct oats to me.

You are correct, there is no sliminess or moisture on the outsides of the oats when they're ready. They might be slightly cooler than room temp, but that's the only difference. Give them a rinse before you do another batch and let them dry longer and you should be good for initial prep.

I'm not sure if those lids are going to work well for you. I went with a single 0.25 inch hole stuffed with poly-fil originally, then swapped to SFDs. Somebody else might be able to advise a little better on that aspect of your project.

@InfraredRick: I only got to the point of the extensive prep after growing many jars of "melted ice cream." The oats in my area are dirtier than a $5.00 hooker, though. Not many people seem to have as many grain problems as I've had. lol


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: Morbility] * 1
    #26575514 - 04/03/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No worries Morbility. Sounds like your system works good for you. Stay the course.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: InfraredRick]
    #26575546 - 04/03/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

One more thought...not sure what your hole plugs are but it's possible that they do not allow the jars to release pressure while in your pc. The pc process is to sterilize your prepped grain, not to infuse or release moisture. Cover each lidded jar tight with a 6x6" piece of foil to allow gas exchange and prevent water pooled on the lid from entering the jar.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: InfraredRick]
    #26575589 - 04/03/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

http://

This is a jar ready for G2G. Look close and you can see some of the oats are splitting but most are still whole. When I shake it it sounds like dry rice, nothing sticky, no slime.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: InfraredRick]
    #26575619 - 04/03/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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Oh, my wide mouth qt jars have plastic lids with 1/2 holes plugged with a tight ball of poly. Drilled metal lids rust, don't use them. Those oats look like they are already dehulled. Get a 50lb bag of whole oats from Tractor Supply or any feed supply store for like $20 and microdose till rapture. They are sold as horse feed.




I got a bag from a feed store. They were sold as horse oats.

I read the rust doesnt affect anything. If I have the same issues after I dry the oats better, I'll switch to different lids. I'm trying to save money now though.

How do you push the poly fill into the holes so it's dense? That's a part I can't figure out.

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Those look like the correct oats to me.

You are correct, there is no sliminess or moisture on the outsides of the oats when they're ready. They might be slightly cooler than room temp, but that's the only difference. Give them a rinse before you do another batch and let them dry longer and you should be good for initial prep.

I'm not sure if those lids are going to work well for you. I went with a single 0.25 inch hole stuffed with poly-fil originally, then swapped to SFDs. Somebody else might be able to advise a little better on that aspect of your project.

@InfraredRick: I only got to the point of the extensive prep after growing many jars of "melted ice cream." The oats in my area are dirtier than a $5.00 hooker, though. Not many people seem to have as many grain problems as I've had. lol




Thanks man. I'll give that a try.

How did you stuff the polyfill into the holes densely? I was planning on using a tooth pick or small screw driver.


If money wasn't an issue, I'd buy the plastic lids and use the SFD, but I can't find any for a decently reasonable price. Most are selling them in packs of 10 for 20 bucks. And I'm kinda broke atm. Any leads where I can get some for a good price, and not in a huge quantity.

If my next boil doesnt go right I'll probably suck it up and switch lids.

Before that I am going to try and fill all the holes with more epoxy though.

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One more thought...not sure what your hole plugs are but it's possible that they do not allow the jars to release pressure while in your pc. The pc process is to sterilize your prepped grain, not to infuse or release moisture. Cover each lidded jar tight with a 6x6" piece of foil to allow gas exchange and prevent water pooled on the lid from entering the jar.




SHIP and syringe filters, for filtered air flow.
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http://

This is a jar ready for G2G. Look close and you can see some of the oats are splitting but most are still whole. When I shake it it sounds like dry rice, nothing sticky, no slime.




Yup, I'm definitely messing something up and I think I know what it is.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: IFreeMe]
    #26575822 - 04/03/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have a pic tek I made a while back on stuffing the holes. It's totally overkill, so I'll have to link up to an imgur album. I'll get it done in a bit to give you a better idea of how to do poly. Word of warning though: when I did this, I was getting lots of contams, so your mileage will vary. It was very likely due to shitty prep work and not the poly though, since lots of people here have used all sorts of poly methods with good results.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: IFreeMe]
    #26576169 - 04/03/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Bump

Added a link in my sig to the Poly-Fil tek I made a while back. Finally migrated it to my journal here on the board.


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Re: Please help me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I need to micro dose but I keep messing up [Re: IFreeMe]
    #26576241 - 04/03/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

U might be simmering/soaking your oats for too long or didn't dry them out enough before PCing.


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