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Why do you think we get weak in the knees? 1
#26572374 - 04/02/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I remember when I was in year 10 and had to do a speech. A speech I hadn't practiced and finished the night before presenting it.
My knees where jelly! Shaking about like an angry man's fists!
I stumbled through the speech and felt my heart pounding in an extradonary way, a powerful way!
Energetic you might say
In uni I had started the scaffoled of assignmeny 2 weeks before their due date and done 5÷10% 0er day for a week or two.
I started my first semester skimming by, but after that I improved every semester consequitively until peaking in my final year.
I found a major I was interested in a pursuid it successfully.
Despite my success, those wobbly knees still haunt me.
I didn't get them in uni really, maybe 10% wobble of what it used to be? But still some wobble.
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: sudly] 2
#26572418 - 04/02/20 01:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's because speaking in front of a crowd gives you a small rush of adrenaline
And most people can't handle that properly because of their messed up adrenaline systems.
I believe there's 2 ways to solze this problem: One would be to become so used to the action that is causing the adrenaline rush so much that you just don't care anymore.
Another would be to try rebalancing the adrenal system, one proven method is cold water therapy (taking short 5-10 minutes ice cold baths or showers, ideally every day) This is recommended because if you rebalance your entire adrenal system you will be able to maintain calm not only when speaking in front of a public but in almost all "life threatening situations"
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sudly
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That's great advice thank you!
I've wanted to try the shower therapy but I haven't tried it yet.
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: sudly]
#26574553 - 04/03/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Because, sudly, your knees are a bunch of girly men.
Manly knees don’t get weak.
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26574576 - 04/03/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like to appreciate learning curbs
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: sudly]
#26574883 - 04/03/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I get them when at the edge of any roof parapet of a tall building, a 20 foot drop is enough to jellify my muscles! but give me a scaffold and I can climb up and down 50-60 feet - my monkey brain kicks in vigorously if I have several options up and down that are not just a sheer drop.
maybe if I had a Mountain Goat ancestry it would be a bit different.
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26576164 - 04/03/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I get vertigo standing near any sheer drop offs more than 3 or 4m. If it's more of a ledge or steep hill or batter, I tend not to feel vertigo.
It also takes me 5-15 minutes to get up each morning and I have no set bed time. It's just when I'm tired.
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: sudly]
#26576172 - 04/03/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What do you mean though your monkey brain kicked in? Because I think I see where you're coming from, but it'd be nice to see what that monkey brain looks like.
P.S. just want to know what part of brain youre referring to.
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: sudly]
#26576547 - 04/04/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like to call it the FFFFF brain (food fuck freeze fight flight)
I'm not sure if it all happens in the exact same part of the brain but it basically refers to primal needs and feelings
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: sudly]
#26576685 - 04/04/20 04:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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sudly said: What do you mean though your monkey brain kicked in? Because I think I see where you're coming from, but it'd be nice to see what that monkey brain looks like.
P.S. just want to know what part of brain youre referring to.
the whole of it but probably the cerebellum with natural timing circuitry for these actions built in: tree climbing, bug eating, humping, and cackling at the moon and stars.
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: sudly] 2
#26576901 - 04/04/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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if we think of the brain as being composed of three parts, the reptilian brain, the mammalian brain, and the human brain - the reptilian and mammalian brain are a functional unit within the modern human brain. the most important feature inherited from the mammalian and reptilian brains is its primary concern over its own safety.
a reptile, upon having a predator enter its territory will automatically react upon their fight or flight instincts, as they innately know that their live/safety depends on this reaction.
humans have a unique capacity to ignore their instincts. when a stressful situation arises humans often think irrationally. humans are uniquely capable of doing things like prioritizing status over safety, emotions over feeding, and sex over health.
the autonomic nervous system is not regulated by conscious thought, and controls things like sweating, blood flow, hormones, digestion. within the autonomic NS, lies the sympathetic NS which is what produces your fight or flight responses.
a potential stressful situation will activate the SNS and prepare it to get ready to fight or get run to run boy! it will release stress hormones that elevate your blood pressure and heart rate, increase sweating, and shunt blood away from internal organs - shutting down digestion - to shunt that blood to the muscles. the immediate activation of this system may even give you shaky knees.
as the Wizard said, how stress is perceived or interpreted by key control systems is essential. the parasympathetic NS, the other part of the autonomic system, if it can't balance out the stress of the SNS then you will not be effective at repairing your body and maintaining homeostasis. many live in states of chronic stress, from both internal and external causes, so any additional stresses are more likely to lead to more chronic problems like immune suppression, elevated hormone levels, and eventually disease from the body being unable to heal itself.
how foolish would a human without any fear be?
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26578428 - 04/05/20 12:06 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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In your view, is the monkey brain kicking in, the limbic system, or the neocortex?
Because I'm not sure if it would be either nerve damage from bad conditioning or trauma from a painful breakup.
Or an amount of both. Not necessarily even.
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: sudly]
#26578433 - 04/05/20 12:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What if the universe isn't even? And there was just more matter than antimatter, haha, a funny thought at least..
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Quote:
TATAG said: humans have a unique capacity to ignore their instincts. when a stressful situation arises humans often think irrationally. humans are uniquely capable of doing things like prioritizing status over safety, emotions over feeding, and sex over health.
Dogs that practice and are taught intelligent disobedience are capable of prioritising safety, being patient for feeding, and remaining healthy while abstanent.
Just putting it out there.
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: sudly]
#26578490 - 04/05/20 12:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The skateboard doesn't get speed wobbles. You do.
Has helped me in many situations...not just bombing hills.
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: pineninja]
#26578525 - 04/05/20 01:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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pineninja said: The skateboard doesn't get speed wobbles. You do.
Has helped me in many situations...not just bombing hills.
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: sudly]
#26578895 - 04/05/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
sudly said:
Quote:
TATAG said: humans have a unique capacity to ignore their instincts. when a stressful situation arises humans often think irrationally. humans are uniquely capable of doing things like prioritizing status over safety, emotions over feeding, and sex over health.
Dogs that practice and are taught intelligent disobedience are capable of prioritising safety, being patient for feeding, and remaining healthy while abstanent.
Just putting it out there.
yes, of course dogs can prioritizes safety, and sustenance, and health, if only humans could do the same! humans can be disobedient to their own instincts.
what makes humans unique from reptiles and other mammals is that humans will prioritize status over safety, emotions over feeding, and sex over health. thanks to drivers in modern society, humans are driven to ignore their instincts! humans can choose to choose status, emotions, and sex - ignoring innate instinctive reactions.
for example, other mammals and reptiles will engage in sex to perpetuate their species only when first they are safe and well fed. if a body is overly stressed, it will automatically respond by decreasing sex drive, to preserve energy for the priorities of safety and sustenance.
the human brain distorts the reptilian drive for safety and sustenance, raising stress levels. the amount of Viagra sold is in indication of these distorted priorities.
it is thought that the only innate fears that humans are born with are a fear of loud sounds, and a fear of falling.
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: sudly]
#26578921 - 04/05/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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sudly said: What if the universe isn't even? And there was just more matter than antimatter, haha, a funny thought at least..
the attribution of parts of the brain to explain 'spirit animals' from which we descended is not realistic.
monkey brain is the whole thing.
all the parts working as a unit in a body like figure and ground making one totality.
these assignments (to animal brains) are a carry forward of phrenology, using some morphologic reasoning, but they do not provide understanding of anything clinical.
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Re: Why do you think we get weak in the knees? [Re: redgreenvines]
#26579301 - 04/05/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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lizard brain has no time for facts.
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I think we are more adept as human's because of our more developed neocortex, but not that our skills or emotions are all unique to humans.
Fears of snakes go back a fair bit too, like cats n cucumbers
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