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Second try: trying to get the timing of the flushes/dunk cycle to optimize production
    #26572365 - 04/02/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

hi all-

This is my second grow and is looking every more successful than the first.

I started 6 .5 pint jars with BRF. They took about 28 days to be all white, and this time I left them for another 8 days because last time around I saw that the interior areas weren't totally colonized. This time, it was just white goodness.

I did 1:1 ratio with compost I bought online, and put a .25 inch casing on top. All that went into just 2 shoebox size bins.

On the 5th day, a very nice set of pins.
On the 6th day, a very nice harvest!
On the 7th day, another nice harvest!

Now, I haven't sprayed or misted at all, because there is a lot of water beading, droplets all over the lid and sides of the bin. It sure looks humid in there!

But on the 8th day, today, there were not many pins (maybe 20) and just 3 or 4 smallish fruits that were ready to harvest. I took them, but now I'm at a similar point to where I was last time:

Is this the time between flushes? Is right now the time to do the dunk? Maybe let the cakes float in water for x hours? It seems so humid in there, I am not sure and there are definitely pins coming up, just not a huge wave.

I know I can get multiple flushes and these bins are full of a 1:1 ration with 100% colonized BRF so I am hoping I can keep producing.

Can anyone provide any insight about what might work well? thanks!


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Re: Second try: trying to get the timing of the flushes/dunk cycle to optimize production [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26572531 - 04/02/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You will always receive diminishing returns after the 1st or 2nd flush.

Just keep dunking and fruiting until the cakes stop producing.

I dunk submerge substrates for at least 1 to 4 hours .

Keep up proper surface moisture and you're cash.




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Re: Second try: trying to get the timing of the flushes/dunk cycle to optimize production [Re: xnirvanax]
    #26573208 - 04/02/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You went from pins to harvest in one day?


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Re: Second try: trying to get the timing of the flushes/dunk cycle to optimize production [Re: A.k.a]
    #26573516 - 04/02/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

yes, but...

I checked in the morning on the 5th day and there were pins. On the 6th days i didnt get to check until very late at night, like 2am and there were nice fruits with veils that were about to open (some open already) - the timing was perfect.  So, like 38 hours or something.


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Re: Second try: trying to get the timing of the flushes/dunk cycle to optimize production [Re: xnirvanax]
    #26573522 - 04/02/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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xnirvanax said:
You will always receive diminishing returns after the 1st or 2nd flush.

Just keep dunking and fruiting until the cakes stop producing.

I dunk submerge substrates for at least 1 to 4 hours .

Keep up proper surface moisture and you're cash.







Thanks for this! But, how do I tell the flush is over! It hasn't stopped producing, just slowed down dramatically after a fast start.


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Re: Second try: trying to get the timing of the flushes/dunk cycle to optimize production [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26573872 - 04/02/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hardly any fruits today, just 2 really. So, I guess it's stalled out and I will dunk/hydrate tonight!

It's strange because there is still a ton of humidity, droplets, beading, etc. all around the interior of the bin. So, it's certainly not drying out in there, but things are stalled.

I'm also seeing a bit of the fuzzy feet thing. The first wave was pretty good, so I'm hoping to get a decent 2nd flush.


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Re: Second try: trying to get the timing of the flushes/dunk cycle to optimize production [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26573903 - 04/02/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Is this a shoe box or cakes?


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Re: Second try: trying to get the timing of the flushes/dunk cycle to optimize production [Re: Sockadin]
    #26573906 - 04/02/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Sockadin said:
Is this a shoe box or cakes?




Sorry I think my terminology is off.

These are shoeboxes, filled up about 3 inches with a 1:1 ratio. The substrate is essentially in the shape of a cake but maybe when people say cake they mean like spawning from a jar, where it's still in the shape of a jar?


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Re: Second try: trying to get the timing of the flushes/dunk cycle to optimize production [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26573935 - 04/02/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well I would guess the surface needs a good drying out. Joking, you do need FAE so do you have any lite air circulating like a ceiling fan? Might help.


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Re: Second try: trying to get the timing of the flushes/dunk cycle to optimize production [Re: Sockadin]
    #26582367 - 04/06/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, I soaked both shoeboxres for a few hours, then drained. Since then, a handful of pins but not much.

I also noticed that the lid/sides didn[t have tons of droplets from humidity like there was before. I figured soaking the substrate for 8 hours would get it right back to where it started, moisture-wise .But maybe not.

I misted today, but I'm wondering: are there any rules of thumb that help to tell when the substrate is dry and needs moisture?


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Re: Second try: trying to get the timing of the flushes/dunk cycle to optimize production [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26588589 - 04/09/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Update: I got a modest second flush from 1 of the bins, not much from the other but some pins emerged this morning.

I am having trouble getting a feel for how much moisture there should be, so I have been misting one of the bins more than the other. The bin that had the new flush was the one one that I misted more. So, that's something!

The mushrooms that came up in this 2nd flush look a little different from the first. They are decent size, but sort of stripes running upward along the stem. Also, they didn't really turn blue at all when I handled them. The first flush was crazy blue at the slightest touch. This second batch not at all. But, when I tried my first grow ,the same thing happened and the second batch was still pretty good!

Can anyone help me understand:
- do the vertical stripes tell me anything? The stems seemed stripey and a little less sturdy than the first flush.
- how important is the blueing? It really seemed like the previous flush that didn't turn blue was still really good and strong. do we learn anything from how blue they are?

I am really struggling to learn how to get optimal yield from shoeboxes. It looks like I have a good thing going from inoculation to spawn to bulk in the box, and the first flush! But ,I haven't had much luck getting much after that :smile:

Here's a pic a few from this morning's flush. I guess the vertical stripes aren't really stripes, more like grooves! The mushrooms are a little wet because those 3 had a bunch of substrate  on them and got rinsed in the sink. But you get the idea:



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Re: Second try: trying to get the timing of the flushes/dunk cycle to optimize production [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26588600 - 04/09/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Those stripes along with the lumpy caps are usually from too much water.

I get that too usually the first couple from the next flush.


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Re: Second try: trying to get the timing of the flushes/dunk cycle to optimize production [Re: A.k.a]
    #26589069 - 04/09/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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A.k.a said:
Those stripes along with the lumpy caps are usually from too much water.

I get that too usually the first couple from the next flush.




Ahh ok.. well, that would make sense as the bin that had the flush was the one I watered excessively.

The other one isn't doing much.

Is there any effect on potency with the stripes, lumpyness? or just mostly cosmetic? I noticed they didn't turn blue at all!


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