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    #26572038 - 04/01/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)




This is my first pin set, and I've noticed the pins are varying quite a bit in color. Is this simply due to the multiple genetics contained in the grow? Or possibly a mistake I'm making in the growing conditions? Just wondering if they're trying to tell me something- thanks in advance for any constructive advice.

edited to add more pics and context- Tub is Bods unbodified tek, 66qt, 5 qts whole oats, 1 650g brick coir, Golden Teachers, spore print -> Agar transfer x3


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: ikisschicks420] * 1
    #26572049 - 04/01/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Both genetics and conditions can make your fruits do all kinds of wacky things. If this is a multi-spore grow all the fruits will be different. That's why it's good to isolate a culture on agar or clone a nice looking mushroom so your results become consistent and mushies look the same.

It's also a good idea to learn about surface conditions, providing adequate FAE, bottom watering, lighting, casing, etc. there's a lot that goes into conditions. You can never read too much is my advice.


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    #26572055 - 04/01/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: Ovoidhunter]
    #26572098 - 04/01/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Both genetics and conditions can make your fruits do all kinds of wacky things. If this is a multi-spore grow all the fruits will be different. That's why it's good to isolate a culture on agar or clone a nice looking mushroom so your results become consistent and mushies look the same.

It's also a good idea to learn about surface conditions, providing adequate FAE, bottom watering, lighting, casing, etc. there's a lot that goes into conditions. You can never read too much is my advice.




I definitely plan on taking a few clones once I have something to select from :thumbup:
And I agree, there's a never ending supply of info here, and in the same breath, I'm learning just as much getting my feet wet with my first tub.


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: shevanel]
    #26572101 - 04/01/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Sub looks bacterial to me. That guy at 6 o'clock is gorgeous. Love that pefect pattern. You have a few aborts. Those caps will likely be nearly black soon on the tiny ones that are darkening.

Wait to make sure they abort before you remove though. Make a nice little tea while the rest reach maturity.




I'll keep an eye out, I havent noticed any stalled growth yet- tea wouldn't hurt my feelings lol


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: ikisschicks420]
    #26572228 - 04/01/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Mostly genetics and partly environmental. Looking good by the way! Well done :thumbup:


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26572998 - 04/02/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Sweet. I love first tubs. Can we see the whole thing?

Also...if you look near the center of the pic kinda up and to the right you have a big black capped pin. Drop down and there’s a smaller black cap, now go down and slightly to the right and there’s a little brown pin growing and right under it looks like a tiny little mushroom that grew sideways and the cap opened already. Is that what I’m seeing? Or is it just a little blob or something?


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26573147 - 04/02/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Sweet. I love first tubs. Can we see the whole thing?

Also...if you look near the center of the pic kinda up and to the right you have a big black capped pin. Drop down and there’s a smaller black cap, now go down and slightly to the right and there’s a little brown pin growing and right under it looks like a tiny little mushroom that grew sideways and the cap opened already. Is that what I’m seeing? Or is it just a little blob or something?




For sure, I just added a couple more to OP. That pin you are referring to is actually just a big pin pushing up through the surface, nothing has opened up in there yet.

I did have an issue with the corners drying out a bit in this tub, but it's still producing in the areas.


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: ikisschicks420]
    #26573152 - 04/02/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don’t think any of those are aborts, just dark caps.

It is odd the color variation.


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26573206 - 04/02/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don’t think any of those are aborts, just dark caps.

It is odd the color variation.




sweet. The dark caps are actually growing quicker than the lighter ones imo. This is for sure fun to watch. I love rainbows.  :kittylaugh:


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26573210 - 04/02/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Mostly genetics and partly environmental. Looking good by the way! Well done :thumbup:




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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: ikisschicks420]
    #26580040 - 04/05/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Lets get an update


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: ikisschicks420]
    #26580043 - 04/05/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Mostly genetics and partly environmental. Looking good by the way! Well done :thumbup:




like people right? haha, thanks btw!




Exactly :lol:

Shrooms are kinda like people in a way. Did you know fungus is more animal-like in biology than plant-like? :strokebeard:


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: shevanel]
    #26582743 - 04/06/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Lets get an update




Well I didnt take a picture, but I harvested the tub yesterday. The big dark pins were fat caps with short bodies, and the more yellow ones were taller, more average looking GTs. Took a couple spore prints from the big caps, cloned a 6 fruit cluster and soaked for another flush. The 2nd flush is coming in currently


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: ikisschicks420]
    #26583016 - 04/06/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have a gt tub that is doing the same dman thing.


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: ikisschicks420]
    #26583040 - 04/07/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Lets get an update




Well I didnt take a picture, but I harvested the tub yesterday. The big dark pins were fat caps with short bodies, and the more yellow ones were taller, more average looking GTs. Took a couple spore prints from the big caps, cloned a 6 fruit cluster and soaked for another flush. The 2nd flush is coming in currently



When you select fruits for spore prints you reset genetics correct? If so why select characteristic fruits? Interested because I’m looking into cloning and have always done spore prints but just read that whole reset thing. Clusters are best for cloning due to isolated genetics?


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: PiptheGreAtest]
    #26583147 - 04/07/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

after many generations of "selfing" (grow>print>grow from print >print>grow from print ect...)  you are narrowing the genetics because the spores don't get to mate with spores other than the ones present on the gills of said fruit.  if you select a certain fruit you know the spores it came from contained the genes necessary to produce it and therefore may have the genes necessary to produce similar fruits in subsequent generations although this method is a timely process.  cloning is the fastest way to get an isolate but clones should always be tested because theres no guarantee that theyll perform how you want them to.  Ive cloned a single giant PE fruit and ended up with clusters before but this isnt always the case, however more often than not cloning fruits from a cluster produce more clusters as clustering seems to be a genetic trait.  so clusters are only the best for cloning if thats what your after but any fruit with desirable characteristics could be the best for cloning depending on what suits your taste as long as the clones test out well


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: TedsDead] * 1
    #26597077 - 04/13/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)



These are the two different types, from the 3rd flush phase.


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Re: Genetics, or conditions? [Re: ikisschicks420]
    #26597134 - 04/13/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Nice! That short fatty looks awesome and is going to make a great dry cap.
Seems like your mono was a success. Take more pics next time so we can see those conditions.
Any idea on total harvest weight?


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