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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26568615 - 03/31/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Certainly don't discard them, dry em out and mix them in with the rest when they are ready.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Babylon]
    #26568624 - 03/31/20 08:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Certainly don't discard them, dry em out and mix them in with the rest when they are ready.




Hahaha agreed!

What about a microdose now? LMAO! Probably not even enough for that, I suspect. Maybe combine those little Barbie Dream Shrooms with a couple of woodrose seeds? :mushroom2:

Since this is a new thread page, I want remind anyone reading this that there is a question at the bottom of the previous page about which jars to birth. Of the 24 jars, 10 of them are scheduled to birth this coming Friday. Its only TWO of those 10 jars that are pinning. Not sure if I should just birth the 2, and if so, do they go all by their lonesome into the SGFC tomorrow's "roll" (24 hours after dunking)?

Or should I birth more, like all 10 in that first group to fully colonize?


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26568729 - 03/31/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

No they will grow just fine. Somewhere in my gallery I have pictures of cakes growing with invitro. I opened them and noticed some really big pins and just fruited them in the jar.


I would birth all of those.

Here is the massive invitro cake.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26568745 - 03/31/20 10:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Great, as always thanks, Sockadin! Seriously, awesome pic.

I am going to birth and dunk all 10 jars now. I already have my works-space all set up by my kitchen sink with all I need to birth and dunk them. Then in 24 hours, I will roll them and stick them into my SGFC.

Also, I will be keeping a much closer eye now on the 7 jars in Group II what finished colonizing last night. Any sign of pinning, even before the  birthing schedule I set for April 6th (next Monday), I will birth and dunk & roll them, immediately.

As for the 7 lagging jars, a few of them look almost ready to go, but some o them are a wait-and-see situation.

Thanks again, brother! :mushroom2:


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26568879 - 03/31/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, I decided to wet the Perlite and start preparing my SGFC. I opted to use my bathtub with a rubber drain stop to prevent a clogged pipe. Anyway, I thoroughly soaked the Perlite (see pics below) and put about 5 inches into the terrarium, as per RogerRabbit's instructions in his videos.

Problem is, it never occurred to me that after the water drained (well its still draining a little) the soaking of the Perlite would make it expand. Live and learn, I guess. Anyway, I need to know, is this too much Perlite now? Do I need to remove some? Roger Rabbit uses his hand, including his thumb, to determine the correct height. See pic #3. It looks like I went a little too overboard, and I want to make sure that the mushrooms have plenty of room to grow, and that this much Perlite won't hurt anything.

I am leaning toward the "this is okay, the more the better" idea, but lets make sure by checking with all of you!

Also, how do I know if I have rinsed the Perlite enough?






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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26568902 - 03/31/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Perfect.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26568972 - 03/31/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Perfect.




Thanks, Brother! I will flatten it out, of course, before rolling the cakes tomorrow and planting them in there. Just for the purposes of dotting my i's and crossing my t's, I left it in the bathtub, put in my thermometer/hygrometer as well as the little hygrometer I bought on Amazon. I just want to make sure that before I put the cakes in that the humidity inside the SGFC is north of 90%.

Should I be worried if I can't get the humidity high enough before putting the cakes in? I know there's misting involved, 6 or so times a day after planting them, but I don't want the terrarium to be too dry, obviously.

Right now, the two hygrometers are creeping up slowly. After 10 minutes, they have both gone to 75.

Also, how do I know if I have gotten all the dust off the Perlite when I ran the shower-head through and kept mixing it with my gloved hand until it all felt wet.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26569013 - 03/31/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

There will always be dusty when it comes to perilite. It's going to start drying out at the bottom wholes over time. I use to keep mine on a metal wire rack with a towel under the rack to catch perilite.

You can always resoak the perilite in between harvesting. I never have to much of a RH issue down in the south. It's always humid as hell outside. I would just keep an eye on your Humidistat and mist more as needed. In New York your probably gonna have dryer air than in Texas.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26569032 - 03/31/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah thanks again (as always) Sockadin! Dude, seriously, if you're ever near New York City after all this stupid virus crap is over, dinner (and hopefully some shrooms!) is on me.

Oh and for shits and giggles, here are some pics of the "dunking" part of the dunk & roll. I decided to use two different stock pots for the dunking, so I can continue to maintain which cakes are from the Golden Teacher syringe and which are from the Costa Rico syringe.




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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26569759 - 03/31/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, wow...so things are happening really fast I guess. I posted about the pinning in those two jars about 8:00 AM EST, this morning. Between then and a little before 8:00 PM, just under 12 hours, three more jars, one at a time, started showing tiny, really tiny pins. Even smaller than the ones I posted pics of. Two of the jars I discovered pinning at about 5:00 PM and birthed them immediately to a deep, glass bowl filled with water, and then a third one had a Barbie Dream Shroom growing out of it. I almost needed a magnifying glass to see it, but it was there. So I birthed that one as well. I didn't bother coming to the forum to ask, since I know exactly what you guys would have said and just did that. lol Now I am really watching ALL the jars like a hawk.

Since the birthing was staggered, I annotated the respective times of Dunking, rounded a few minutes to easier times when writing them down. 12:30 PM for the first ten, 5:30 PM for the next two, and 7:30 for the last one.

Anyway, how meticulous do I have to be about the 24 hours from first dunking them, to rolling and planting in the SGFC? In other words, do the cakes have to sit in the water for at least 24 hours? I am assuming yes, by the way.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26569834 - 03/31/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I remember someone experimenting with that, doing some cakes for 12 hours and others for 24.  I don't remember what results they got.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Babylon]
    #26569918 - 03/31/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I remember someone experimenting with that, doing some cakes for 12 hours and others for 24.  I don't remember what results they got.




Well, unless I hear different from some of the people on this site, I am going to stick to staggering the rolling and planting based on birthing time + 24 hours.


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    #26570029 - 03/31/20 09:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah. It's not an exact science. 23-27 hours is fine. Roll in Vermiculite and put them in the SGFC. I like to also wait 24 hrs before misting to allow the mycelium to start to colonize the Vermiculite and hold it to the cake. If you must too soon you will knock some of it off.


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Re: I Need A Lot of Help to Start Cultivating Mushrooms - Total N00b Here! [Re: Sockadin]
    #26570434 - 04/01/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Another possibly odd, definitely over-thinking question, but here goes, and I will give you my reason for the question, too. When I roll the first 10 cakes in a few hours, it occurs to me to ask, what part is up/down in the terrarium? Is the "top" where I put the original, protective verm layer best put onto the bottom on the aluminum foil? My reasoning here, for what its worth, is you can't get all that verm off, Even RR says "Get most of it." So, it seems to me, while overthinking, that when you have some residual gunk sitting at the top of your cake (at least in the jar was the top), wouldn't it then be better to put it into the SGFC upside down? Seems to me that the bottom of the cake is a lot cleaner and free of the protective layer residue. Wouldn't I get better top growth if I put the cake in essentially upside down? lol Feel free to mock. 


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Yeah. It's not an exact science. 23-27 hours is fine. Roll in Vermiculite and put them in the SGFC. I like to also wait 24 hrs before misting to allow the mycelium to start to colonize the Vermiculite and hold it to the cake. If you must too soon you will knock some of it off.




Yeah, 24 or more hours it is! If that's the case, then maybe I will wait until tonight to roll? Although, for the first 10 cakes, that would end up being about 29 hours. Is that too long?

Oh and RogerRabbit also recommends waiting to mist the cakes for the same reason. Although he recommends waiting 1/2 hour and then misting the cakes several times over the next two hours.


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    #26570599 - 04/01/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry to re-ask this in a double post, but this thread is off the first page, and I'm afraid if I don't bump, I won't get an answer before I roll 10 of my cakes in probably just a few hours.

I Googled this a little while ago and can't find anything definitive. My theory is that after rolling, when I put them in the SGFC, I should turn them upside down with respect to their positions in the jar, while inoculating. In other words, slightly wider side with the vermlayer,  facing down. Again, my reasoning is that the protective layer of Verm while inoculating doesn't all come off, and if not acting as a barrier to fruiting on that side, could it perhaps have some residual bacteria or mold in it that it was protecting the cake from while it was in the jar?


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    #26570734 - 04/01/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah you want the fully colonized sides and bottom exposed so when you birth them after the dunk and roll place what was the dry vermiculite barrier down. As far as fruiting, there is no way to control if they fruit on top on the sides or at the base, which is usually where I get me first pins. That is because that area is closest to the perilite so it gets fae and evaporation first.


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    #26570778 - 04/01/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, that’s what I figured, Sockadin. Obviously I wasn’t sure, but it seems to make the most sense, at least intuitively. Anyway, I’ve got the vermiculite in the oven right now at 350° for another 18 minutes left on the 30 that RogerRabbit recommends in his videos. I’m going to wait for that to cool down, maybe I’ll give it a half hour to get to room temperature, and then I’ll start rolling the cakes and putting them in the terrarium, at least the first 10 cakes. Until tonight, then I’ll do the last three that I birthed last night.


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    #26570940 - 04/01/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I dont remember ever watching him bake his Vermiculite. I have never done it and don't think many people do. But hey, those are really old videos.

I usually just roll straight out of the bag on a cookie sheet.


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    #26571180 - 04/01/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I dont remember ever watching him bake his Vermiculite. I have never done it and don't think many people do. But hey, those are really old videos.

I usually just roll straight out of the bag on a cookie sheet.




Yeah, just to be clear, I'm not correcting you, and obviously I know nothing from nothing about this topic compared to folks like yourself. So I wouldn't presume to tell you how to do any kind of Tek lol. Well, not unless I really wanted to look like a complete idiot publicly. That said,  It's video #3 [here] right at the very end, at at 09:03. I know its an old video, but I really tried to err on his advice if I came to any sort of a crossroads, so I did bake my verm.

Oh, and I weighed your advice about misting against RogerRabbit's, also in that same video, at 09:25. I was a little torn. He suggested waiting 30 minutes after the roll + install into the terrarium, you said 24 hours. However, I believe, based on your post on the previous page, that you have a lot more moisture in your air, naturally, than I do in mine. So my sort of compromise was I waited the 30 minutes as he suggested, but I misted very, very lightly, and from a greater distance away. I think I did good, because I didn't seem to loosen or drop anything more than a tiny bit of the verm on one or two cakes.

Oh, and he also suggested after the part above, that I should mist several times over the two hours following that first misting. I am hoping that doing it his way will mitigate some of the natural humidity that may be lacking in the air this time of the year.


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    #26571975 - 04/01/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah so I am starting to really believe that location is as important in dealing with RH problems or issues as FAE.

In botany you see all of these temperature zones for growing different fruits and vegetables but for some reason mycology doesn't mention it alot.

Go with your gut. It's fine to mist sooner than me, my house is 50-60 RH on any given day. I have a bad ass climate control unit, but it is an old leaky house. So you should be good. Also I thought RR lived around the same longitude as you do so the air is drier than it is down here by the equator.


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