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5g wifi health concerns? 2
#26569529 - 03/31/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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So someone just posted a weird conspiracy video on my youtube channel, talked about some interesting/weird things mainly 5g wifi being the cause of the current epidemic 
Was very skeptical clearly so started doing some research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G#Health_concerns
There do seem to be a lot of health concerns around 5g that have not been addressed, as well as a lack of research into the long term impact on humans and animals.
The video in question claims all the areas with the most deaths have been places to implement 5g, while areas that have yet to implement 5g or have limited it have the least deaths from the virus.
Might have to do some more research, definitely don't believe the video but it does seem to touch on some overlooked truths perhaps.
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From what I've heard there are three types of radiation. alpha, Beta, and gama.
It isn't ionized radiation and doesn't penetrate the skin was what I heard.
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specialpeopleclub said: From what I've heard there are three types of radiation. alpha, Beta, and gama.
It isn't ionized radiation and doesn't penetrate the skin was what I heard.
Are you sure 5g is only one type of radiation? It seems to come in 3 bands and they are all exponentially higher frequencies then 4g:
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However, 5G technology presents new issues that depart from 4G technology, namely, higher microwave frequencies from 2.6 GHz to 28 GHz, compared to 700–2500 MHz typically used by 4G. Because the higher millimeter wave used in 5G does not penetrate objects easily, this requires the installation of antennas every few hundred meters, which has sparked concern among the public.[220]
And due to lack of penetration they would need to have antennas all over, "every few hundred meters" apparently.
Here is an except from the health concerns portion of the wiki:
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An international appeal to the European Union made on September 13, 2017 garnered over 180 signatures from scientists representing 35 countries.[231] They cite unproven concerns over the 10 to 20 billion connections to the 5G network and the subsequent increase in RF-EMF exposure affecting the global populace constantly. The appeal also references the International Agency for Research on Cancer's (IARC) conclusion in 2011 that frequencies 30 kHz – 300 GHz are possibly carcinogenic in humans.[232] This research was seemingly confirmed by the US Department of Health and Human Services' National Toxicology Program (NTP), which studied prolonged exposure to RF radiation on rats and noticed significant increases in cancer formation.[233]
Places have been blocking 5g installation to be safe:
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According to CNET,[244] "Members of Parliament in the Netherlands are also calling on the government to take a closer look at 5G. Switzerland is taking steps to monitor 5G's impact on people. Several leaders in Congress have written to the Federal Communications Commission expressing concern about potential health risks. In Mill Valley, California, the city council blocked the deployment of new 5G wireless cells."[244][245][246][247][248] Similar concerns were raised in Vermont[249] and New Hampshire.[244]
Anyways I just thought it was wild that 5g being the cause of the current epidemic is a conspiracy theory in the first place
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how can it damage your dna of ignorant ionized radiation: charged particles?
They do say we'll need receivers like that. I doubt it'll cause cancer. You can tell when you are bathed in Wi-Fi though. I'd like to go to the west Virginia wifi-free area.I
The video I watched could have been by a dishonest organization like kurzergat(sp) is scishow
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The main issue with 5G technology is it is entering into the microwave radiation range according to the Electromagnetic Spectrum:

Its the same concern of "dont stand in front of your microwave while its in use". Any stray microwaves from the microwave oven are harmful even thou they are a type of non-ionizing radiation.
You dont want microwaves entering your body and 5G is considered part radio wave/part microwave. People with metal body parts (like metal plates in their head) are particularily at risk from 5G microwave radiation.
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aren't microwaves are passing through us all the time? I'm pretty sure waves larger than the visible spectrum dont cause cancer.
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Yes, small amounts are but im unsure how much exactly. Microwaves dont travel very far because of their shape/size. Its basically only line-of-sight travel (unlike radio which can reflect off things).
More on that here: https://www.thoughtco.com/microwave-radiation-definition-4145800
Since microwaves have such a short effective range, 5G requires multiple radio-microwave emitters with high-power within relatively small areas, hence the health concerns of 5G.
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Microwaves are generally longer range, lower energy. They are longer than waves in the visible spectrum. I think you are confusing terms. Microwaves are longer than the visible spectrum. They are creating shorter wave signals that do have more energy.
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Microwaves are absorbed by water droplets for one, which shortens their range. And yes, they are longer wavelenghts with lower power. However, 5G towers will need higher power to transmit farther because of the 5G wave interference issue (it does not travel thru/bounce off buildings like radio waves). These high-powered 5G towers are the issue of concern.
If u have a WiFi router, u will quickly notice the range limitations of 5G. 2.4G is much better suited for long range/thru walls type of applications.
Found this interesting summary at the American Cancer Society website on long-term exposure of RF waves (includes microwaves) to rats and mice: https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/radiation-exposure/radiofrequency-radiation.html
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A study by the US National Toxicology Program (NTP) exposed large groups of lab rats and mice to types of RF energy used in cell phones. The animals were exposed over their entire bodies for about 9 hours a day, starting before birth and continuing for up to 2 years. The study found an increased risk of rare heart tumors called malignant schwannomas in the male rats exposed to RF radiation, as well as possible increased risks of certain types of tumors in the brain and adrenal glands. However, there was no clear increased risk among female rats or among male or female mice in the study. The male rats also lived longer than rats who were not exposed to RF radiation, for unclear reasons. Some aspects of this study make it hard to know what these results might mean for people, but the results add evidence to the idea that RF radiation might potentially impact human health.
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specialpeopleclub said: how can it damage your dna of ignorant ionized radiation: charged particles?
They do say we'll need receivers like that. I doubt it'll cause cancer. You can tell when you are bathed in Wi-Fi though. I'd like to go to the west Virginia wifi-free area.I
The video I watched could have been by a dishonest organization like kurzergat(sp) is scishow
The video claimed to be by some guy who was head of a big radio tech company for years, but seemed more like it was some random conspiracy nut. He still peaked my curiosity in 5g as I'd never researched it much.
One claim in the video that was especially crazy was that the Spanish Flue was the result of commercial radios becoming common at the start of the 1900's, and a similiar thing happened around ww2 with advances in radio technology like sonar.
That all seemed pretty BS to me but like I said it was definitely some sort of crazy conspiracy nut 
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LogicaL Chaos said: Microwaves are absorbed by water droplets for one, which shortens their range. And yes, they are longer wavelenghts with lower power. However, 5G towers will need higher power to transmit farther because of the 5G wave interference issue (it does not travel thru buildings like radio waves).
Found this interesting summary at the American Cancer Society website on long-term exposure of RF waves (includes microwaves) to rats and mice: https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/radiation-exposure/radiofrequency-radiation.html
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A study by the US National Toxicology Program (NTP) exposed large groups of lab rats and mice to types of RF energy used in cell phones. The animals were exposed over their entire bodies for about 9 hours a day, starting before birth and continuing for up to 2 years. The study found an increased risk of rare heart tumors called malignant schwannomas in the male rats exposed to RF radiation, as well as possible increased risks of certain types of tumors in the brain and adrenal glands. However, there was no clear increased risk among female rats or among male or female mice in the study. The male rats also lived longer than rats who were not exposed to RF radiation, for unclear reasons. Some aspects of this study make it hard to know what these results might mean for people, but the results add evidence to the idea that RF radiation might potentially impact human health.
Thought I saw something about 5g causing increased tumor rates in rats on the wiki page but didn't see it when I looked again Interesting study, thanks for sharing
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It's lower energy than the visible spectrum, so how could it harm you?
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Found this article thats real interesting: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/we-have-no-reason-to-believe-5g-is-safe/
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The latest cellular technology, 5G, will employ millimeter waves for the first time in addition to microwaves that have been in use for older cellular technologies, 2G through 4G. Given limited reach, 5G will require cell antennas every 100 to 200 meters, exposing many people to millimeter wave radiation.
Millimeter waves are mostly absorbed within a few millimeters of human skin and in the surface layers of the cornea. Short-term exposure can have adverse physiological effects in the peripheral nervous system, the immune system and the cardiovascular system. The research suggests that long-term exposure may pose health risks to the skin (e.g., melanoma), the eyes (e.g., ocular melanoma) and the testes (e.g., sterility).
This article calls 5G "millimeter waves", the same type used at airports. The difference the amount of Power going to a 5G tower is much higher than the millimeter airport body scanners.
Its unclear to me why microwaves are harmful. Something to do with the wave itself and the body. Also i should mention frequency and energy are not the same. Frequency is the size of the wave not the energy of the wave. In other words, high amounts of microwaves have high amounts of energy while low amounts of microwaves have a low amount of energy.
Its the quantity of the millimeter waves (microwaves) thats an issue as well as with the characteristics of the radiation itself.
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Are they longer than the visible spectrum? It's completely obvious where the harmful radiation comes from, and these don't seem to be in that category.
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Yes, the frequency is longer. Light radiation is totally different than microwave/millimeter radiation. Different properties and different health effects as well.
Its why microwaves dont use bright visible light to heat up food, they use microwaves.
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I don't think it is. It's the same thing at different frequencies.
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This dude is really smart, seems like he mostly does camera stuff but there's a lot of platonist philosophy, metaphysics and mathematics, field theory and magnetism. He apparently can translate Sanskrit and knows a bunch of languages? Really smart dude
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What I don't quite understand is why the need for 5g
I feel like 4g is more than enough for anything a human will ever need internet for
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Always make sure to include terms like 'radiation', 'epidemic', 'exponential' and other stuff in random combinations to make shit look scary.
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Re: 5g wifi health concerns? [Re: koraks]
#26570532 - 04/01/20 07:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Epidemiology experts would have to be really clueless and incompetent to see effects cased by EM radiation and mistake them for a viral outbreak. That or there would have to be a conspiracy that a ridiculously large number of medical professionals would need to be in on. It just is not a compelling alternate explanation for what is happening.
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The_Brown_Wizard said: What I don't quite understand is why the need for 5g
I feel like 4g is more than enough for anything a human will ever need internet for
Too many humans subscribing, the 4G network is strained as it is. It won't be able to handle emerging broadband-dependent technologies like self driving cars.
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