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Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some
    #26570400 - 04/01/20 05:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Aight, I have 2 mins to type this out so forgive any misspellings or whatever that I make

Title. From my anecdotal experience talking to friends and reading around:

For some it goes away the day of the trip.

For most, effects linger for a day or two after a huge trip or a few too many huge trips.

And for some unlucky minority, they stay longer, weeks (seems this is me), months, even years. I'm talking about ghosting and afterimages from looking at any object, these are not illusions and I know they're worse to the point of actually affecting life for others.

And before some of you say it only happens from acid (I thought that too!), I got my mild visual snow/ghosting/afterimages again from a bunch of shroom doses. Three weeks later without weed and it's almost gone, but still kinda there.

Now the reason I think it's not talked about is because in mild cases it's not depersonalizing and it's actually kinda cool. The first time it happened to me I got pretty anxious that it would never go away but the second time I just chalked it up as an effect of tripping and it almost makes me feel unique in a way, like I can see things others can't. Now annoyingly it does limit how often I can trip, but honestly that's probably a good thing.

Only reason I mention it is because IT SHOULD BE TALKED ABOUT! The first time it happened to me I thought there was something seriously wrong in my brain when actually it's a normal effect. I think it not being talked about causes a lot of unnecessary anxiety. I know a lot of people that have had the same effects and didn't care, but I'm sure I'm not the only person that did care.



edit: just to make it clear I AM NOT COMPLAINING OR UPSET IN ANY WAY. IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME AT ALL now that ik what's up. I don't think it bothers anyone once they know it's not a permanent defect or something bad (unless it's legit severe HPPD). That's why it I'm saying it should be mentioned more


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26570416 - 04/01/20 05:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I definitely get those aftereffects. Depending on dosage/frequency, they will last anywhere from 1-2 days to a few weeks.


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: poisoned]
    #26570424 - 04/01/20 05:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The only thing that really causes it for me is DMT. Other than that I never really notice it.

I notice this pattern though KJ. It appears to be more of an issue for you than most. At some stage, if the anxiety you experience because of this side effect outweighs the benefit you get from tripping, you may have to reconsider what you are doing.


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: poisoned]
    #26570426 - 04/01/20 05:42 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's not HPPD.

And KJ won't stop taking drugs for any considerable amount of time. 


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: Northerner]
    #26570427 - 04/01/20 05:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The only thing that really causes it for me is DMT. Other than that I never really notice it.

I notice this pattern though KJ. It appears to be more of an issue for you than most. At some stage, if the anxiety you experience because of this side effect outweighs the benefit you get from tripping, you may have to reconsider what you are doing.




No anxiety this time dude. Had it for a month and haven't mentioned it. As I said I actually find it kinda cool now. It only caused me anxiety the first time cuz I didn't know if it would go away. That leads me to believe I wouldn't have had anxiety the first time either had I known it would most likely go away. Which is why these effects should be mentioned

Also taking a bunch of pyschs, getting it and being bothered, it going away and taking pyschs again, getting it again and being unbothered, is not a pattern


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26570429 - 04/01/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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It's not HPPD.

And KJ won't stop taking drugs for any considerable amount of time. 



I think a month+ is pretty considerable bro. But to each their own


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26570432 - 04/01/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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It's not HPPD.

And KJ won't stop taking drugs for any considerable amount of time. 



How are after effects any different, fundamentally? HPPD is just aftereffects that last a while, that's what I'm tryna say


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: poisoned]
    #26570437 - 04/01/20 05:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I definitely get those aftereffects. Depending on dosage/frequency, they will last anywhere from 1-2 days to a few weeks.



Glad to hear it. This is what I'm tryna say. EVERYBODY gets aftereffects and some people get them for a long time which is what people classify as "HPPD" but in reality everybody gets them, just less intensity and shorter time


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26570446 - 04/01/20 06:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

A whole month without drugs?  Wow. 

Some people live entire lives without drugs.

Just how it is popular to diagnose oneself with HPPD, OCD, whatthefuck else ever, an actual diagnosis must come from a trained professional:

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HPPD is a DSM-5 diagnosis with diagnostic code 292.89 (F16.983). For the diagnosis to be made, other psychological, psychiatric, or neurological conditions must be ruled out and it must cause distress in everyday life.




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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26570450 - 04/01/20 06:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I dont think ur understanding what Im tryna say. I'm saying that EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS EVER TAKEN A PYSCHEDELIC has some HPPD and that only people who get it severely/for a long period of time get diagnosed.

You're contributing to the misinformation problem by acting like it's a defined disease instead of an arbitrary demarcation on a spectrum.

You have HPPD, I have HPPD, we all have sub-perceptible HPPD if that demarcation is set to 0 change.


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26570456 - 04/01/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I both understand and disagree with what you are trying to say.

Just because you think it, doesn't make it accurate.

I am not contributing misinformation by providing the accepted criteria by the medical governing body that actually defined the issue in the first place  that happens to disagree with what a random person on drugs on the internet claims...


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26570459 - 04/01/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Have you never experienced tinnitus? If your ears have ever rang it means you have some level of auditory hallucinations.

Have you never experienced floaters? If so it means you have some level of visual hallucinations.

Have you ever had a phantom itch? If so it means you've experienced tactile hallucinations.

Ever smelled food differently sick? Well, my friend, you've had olfactory hallucinations.

Guess what? You've experienced symptoms of a whole range of medical disorders, even if you haven't been diagnosed with any.


Explain to me how ghosting that lasts 2 days and ghosting that lasts 2 years is fundamentally different?


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26570462 - 04/01/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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KJ won't stop taking drugs for any considerable amount of time. 




Quote:

InfiniteDreams said:
A whole month without drugs?  Wow. 





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InfiniteDreams said:
Irandom person on drugs on the internet claims...




You're on a drug forum insulting people for using drugs? lmao


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26570464 - 04/01/20 06:30 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I notice after effects the following day, and always have. Maybe I’ve been lucky, compared to others.

But I will always set aside the following day, to take it easy. Generally never drive anywhere, short walks with the dogs, chill on YouTube.


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26570467 - 04/01/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think you're more in accordance with most people, Ed. But also, have you ever done many large doses in a short period of time (like, very irresponsibly)? I think that's what makes it last a few weeks.


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26570481 - 04/01/20 06:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Back in my 20s,,and with LSD, yes! But I checked myself into a psych ward before the HPPD became a problem! Only memories I have are that I permanently thought I was going mad, and had a deep-rooted (new) fear of dying! Can’t remember problems with vision, though, so as I said, I could have been lucky...


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26570485 - 04/01/20 06:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't call that a lucky experience :smile: but maybe yes in the visual regard, you were.

It's actually not bad at all though. It kinda makes everything a bit more interesting and the only downside is that reading small text can put more strain on my eyes.

I think when it gets too strong, to the point where life doesn't seem real, is when people start to become depersonalized. That can lead to a lot of issues.


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26570555 - 04/01/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

growing up I heard of a term "fugue", which has been used to describe a variety of post shock behaviors from absent mindedness (being tripped out) to amnesia.

I would not care to trivialize another person's suffering, but there is some sense of the cuddling up to horror in it for me. or maybe clinging to the tail of the dog that bit you.

Then when the Hippies rolled around with LSD, the term 'LSD flash back' came into vogue.

I think that we like to minimize memory to a trove of facts, and would like to externalize what is not normal experience whether from drugs, war, or imagination.

blame others or blame the drug, but realistically all of these things are just extensions of ordinary mental activity, incorporating some of the new experience: perception, recollection, feelings etc.

does it stay forever or slowly go away - well  that depends a lot on how you are as a person, i.e. for a sticking personality it will stay, for Teflon, it's already gone.


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26570557 - 04/01/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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KJ won't stop taking drugs for any considerable amount of time. 




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InfiniteDreams said:
A whole month without drugs?  Wow. 





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InfiniteDreams said:
Irandom person on drugs on the internet claims...




You're on a drug forum insulting people for using drugs? lmao




It's perspective.  I think you are quite egotistical for believing you have knowledge in your head that is going to override the established medical community.

As before in December, it seems you just have a romantic notion of HPPD and want to be afflicted with it for some reason.

If you were really concerned, quit doing drugs.  One month is not much time unless you are a child.  If you are not actually concerned, quit describing after effects of psychedelics as equaling a severe mental disorder.


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Re: Pretty sure everyone gets HPPD and it just lasts longer for some [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26570567 - 04/01/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You lack an understanding of nuance, my friend.

HPPD is a severe mental disorder because it is a severe version of normal aftereffects. I'm not overriding anything in the established medical community (although I bet many of us here know way more about HPPD than the physicians diagnosing it). I'm simply saying that what they describe as a disease is simply an extension of something everybody experiences.

Just like tinnitus. Just like floaters. Just like phantom itches.


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