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Various fruiting BRF cake questions * 1
    #26570154 - 03/31/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hello all,

Thanks for allowing me on the forum. I have poked around this site for a few months now, gathering information as I am a new cultivator in search of knowledge. My first batch was handed to me from a family member as birthed, dunked and rolled BRF cakes in a SGFC(if you wanna call it that) that had already produced a flush. Ever since then, I was hooked.

After that we made our own batch and that is what I am posting about today. I have questions on some of my cakes/mushrooms.

Issue #1, Cake #1:
This is the first flush for this cake, what is going on here?


On the same cake, some of the caps look light in color.


I have searched the forums and I am unsure what this could be. Can someone advise?

Issue #2, Cake #2:
This cake has produced one flush already but I am concerned about this flush. The mushroom is turning blue.

I have read that bluing on the cake is ok, but what about on the mushroom?

Issue #3, Cake #3:
This cake has produced some decent mushrooms, second largest out of all eleven I have. It has been very successful. Notice how the stems are very white compared to all of my other mushroom stems. I am noticing that now I have mushrooms on it that have some black.


Issue #4, Cake #4:
This cake has been my "pride and joy" - it has produced some good sized mushrooms. It, by far, has the most blue on it but still continues to produce excellent sized mushrooms.

My question is, how concerned should I be about the mass of blue that is consuming the cake? Where do I draw the line on when to throw it out? It still produces healthy looking mushrooms with nice white colored stems but the mass of blue continues to spread.

Issue #5 - Mostly all cakes:
My question here is why are the mushrooms stems turning brown? The cakes below are on their first flush and the stems are very brown in color. I am concerned because I have read the post What it Should/What it shouldn't look like and in that post, multiple contaminants resulted in some sort of brown on the stems. On top of that, I have noticed most of the cakes are starting to produce mushrooms with brown stems now.

Should I be concerned?


Any advice is appreciated accompanied with explanation. Please help me understand what I can do to improve the outcome.

Earlier in the post, I mentioned my first batch was handed to me in a sub-par SGFC. I call it sub par because it was a tote with holes drilled in it only around the top four inches of the four sides. On top of that, it was filled with verm and not perlite! As soon as I read up on how to make a SGFC, I ran for the garage to grab my drill and add holes to the rest of the chamber. I also replaced verm with perlite.

Thanks again and happy cultivating!


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Re: Various fruiting BRF cake questions [Re: Mfritz001]
    #26570300 - 04/01/20 01:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think there's anything wrong with the cakes. they're just turning blue because of all the handling or dehydration. mushrooms turn blue as well, when bruised.
I have no experience with cakes though so maybe someone else would like to comment.


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Re: Various fruiting BRF cake questions [Re: Haywire]
    #26570352 - 04/01/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

blue bruising is normal


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Re: Various fruiting BRF cake questions [Re: The_Brown_Wizard]
    #26570360 - 04/01/20 04:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yup those all look normal, normal bruising. Great job!
If you're into agar now would be the time to make a clone
or at least make some prints so you can make syringes and
go again.


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Re: Various fruiting BRF cake questions [Re: rumfor69] * 1
    #26570419 - 04/01/20 05:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Normal bruising.  You are doing a good job.  Try not to handle them rough.  What is your Fruiting chamber?  Is it a shot gun?  They might be drying out some as well.


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Re: Various fruiting BRF cake questions [Re: MacMerdin]
    #26572161 - 04/01/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, SGFC. 1/4" holes drilled in 2" grid on all 6 sides with about 4-4.5" of perlite.

I mist about 4 times a day and when I do mist, I will spray the naked areas(no pins or mushrooms) with a half stream/half mist spray to wet them really well, then I point bottle upwards so when I spray the mist goes up in the air above the SGFC and then slowly falls on the cakes. I do not spray mushrooms directly.

Here are cakes today.

Issue #1: Continued - Not directly addressed
The deformed mushroom has continued to grow and I still wonder if I should be concerned? It appears to have either a minor contaminant issue or a mutation? Really could use some advice on this guy.


No pic but the more white caps on the same cake are still more light than the rest but look fine.

Issue #2: Resolved
General consensus deems blue mushrooms to be acceptable.

Issue #3: Continued - Not directly addressed
This mushroom is still concerning. It is black in color, not blue. It also seems like the growth on it is somewhat stunted(for lack of a better term); or rather, the stipe(stem) has protruding wave areas, different than typical mushrooms. Should I be concerned?


Issue #4: Continued - Further questions
I understand the blue is ok, I am just curious where do I draw the line? When do I throw the cake out? Will it stop producing? Will it eventually get a contaminant, thus initiating disposal? How many times should I redunk it?
Also, when you "redunk", I know to remove any growing mushrooms, does that include any remnants, or more specifically volva, of previously picked mushrooms?

Issue #5: Continued - Further questions
What causes the stipe to become brown all of a sudden? Is it a difference in species? Yesterday the stipes were homogeneously brown, and today I am noticing some of the stipes have brown stripes. What is going on?

Note: This is the same cake as Issue #1.



On a most most positive note, this cake has done great, look at yesterday compared to today:
Yesterday:

Today:


Also, check out this guy.


At the end of the day, I appreciate the positive feedback. Thanks everyone for the encouragement and I look forward to learning more from you.


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Re: Various fruiting BRF cake questions [Re: Mfritz001]
    #26572225 - 04/01/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Looking great man! Excellent cakes there!

It does look a little dry in there. Make sure your perlite is moist. Pour water on the perlite if needed. I also noticed that adding an extra bag or two of perlite helps as well.

And trim back those tinfoil "plates". Perlite works better when its completely uncovered.


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Re: Various fruiting BRF cake questions [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26572252 - 04/01/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Issue #3: Continued - Not directly addressed
This mushroom is still concerning. It is black in color, not blue. It also seems like the growth on it is somewhat stunted(for lack of a better term); or rather, the stipe(stem) has protruding wave areas, different than typical mushrooms. Should I be concerned?

The striping will be different with most mushrooms as it is a genetic gamble. This cake in this picture is contaminated, the grey on the bottom is mold. That little tiny mushroom with the black cap is an abort. The one that is turning black in question is aborting as well.




Issue #4: Continued - Further questions
I understand the blue is ok, I am just curious where do I draw the line? When do I throw the cake out? Will it stop producing? Will it eventually get a contaminant, thus initiating disposal? How many times should I redunk it?
Also, when you "redunk", I know to remove any growing mushrooms, does that include any remnants, or more specifically volva, of previously picked mushrooms?


Dunk until to the point where returns are diminishing or is no longer producing. You can pick off the aborts, but leave the pins. They can be dunked and still grow.


Issue #5 - Mostly all cakes:
My question here is why are the mushrooms stems turning brown? The cakes below are on their first flush and the stems are very brown in color. I am concerned because I have read the post What it Should/What it shouldn't look like and in that post, multiple contaminants resulted in some sort of brown on the stems. On top of that, I have noticed most of the cakes are starting to produce mushrooms with brown stems now.

It is a genetic gamble. Unless you're working with an isolate, you will continue to have a variety of mushrooms and mutants. The fruits you have on your 2nd flush may look completely different from the mushrooms from your 1st flush.


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Re: Various fruiting BRF cake questions [Re: xnirvanax]
    #26585238 - 04/07/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks everyone for posting.

I will be taking some pics tomorrow as I believe most of my cakes have the grey mold..

How serious is the grey mold? Mushrooms don't seem to grow from the grey mold areas, just other healthy areas. Is it still time to pitch them?

Thanks!


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Re: Various fruiting BRF cake questions [Re: Mfritz001]
    #26585947 - 04/08/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes pitch them and start over.


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Re: Various fruiting BRF cake questions [Re: MacMerdin]
    #26586757 - 04/08/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Honestly I don't think it's mold. Scrap at it with a tissue lightly if it flakes or stays on the tissue it is mold. To me the look dry and bruised to hell due to over handling.


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