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Help ID these shrooms please!
    #26569991 - 03/31/20 10:35 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Habitat:
Found coming from grassy soil by residential building.
Blue Mountains- Katoomba - NSW - Australia


Very small, tops about the size of my thumbnail

Beige gills, copper on top

I am brand new to this apologies for such little info, my phone camera is bad too but I'm trying :smile:

Any info is super helpful




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Re: Help ID these shrooms please! [Re: dahlia]
    #26569999 - 03/31/20 10:38 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Conocybe tenera, toxic


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Re: Help ID these shrooms please! [Re: doctorghosty]
    #26570092 - 03/31/20 11:52 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

do they have an annulus? looks like the one in the middle of the fourth picture might but it could just be a broken stem or something


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Re: Help ID these shrooms please! [Re: Jawn876]
    #26570166 - 04/01/20 12:43 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

This is not conocybe tenera. They're Pholiotina rugosa (conocybe filaris). Very toxic.


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Re: Help ID these shrooms please! [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26570167 - 04/01/20 12:46 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Pholiotina rugosa is deadly.


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Re: Help ID these shrooms please! [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26570237 - 04/01/20 02:14 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

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Psilosadhu said:
This is not conocybe tenera. They're Pholiotina rugosa (conocybe filaris). Very toxic.





Pholiotina rugosa was described from the eastern USA, so I would be surprised if it turned up in Australia.    This is probably another member of Pholiotina section Pholiotina.  I am not sure what the choices are for Australia.


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Re: Help ID these shrooms please! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26570247 - 04/01/20 02:31 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

From Wikipedia: "Pholiotina rugosa is a common lawn mushroom which is widely distributed and especially common in the Pacific Northwest. It also grows on woodchips, rich soil and compost. It has been found in Europe, Asia and North America. It contains the same mycotoxins as the death cap."
I wouldn't be surprised if a very common and widely distibuted mushroom like this one showed up in Australia. They've got many introduced mushrooms there.
But, if not Pholiotina rugosa, what is it? It's very similar, if not identical macroscopically.


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Re: Help ID these shrooms please! [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26570249 - 04/01/20 02:35 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

I've found it where I've been hunting liberty caps in Europe (also introduced to Australia) and where I hunt panaeolus cyanescens and cubes in Asia (both also introduced to Australia). I think the chances are it's been there for some time.


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Re: Help ID these shrooms please! [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26570272 - 04/01/20 03:08 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

After a second look, it seems these have a brighter coloured stipe and lacks the fibrillose of the rugosa. Would be interesting to know what they are.


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Re: Help ID these shrooms please! [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26570392 - 04/01/20 06:51 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

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After a second look, it seems these have a brighter coloured stipe and lacks the fibrillose of the rugosa. Would be interesting to know what they are.




These species are pretty variable concerning minute details, it is usually not possible to distinguish them macroscopically.


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Re: Help ID these shrooms please! [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26570486 - 04/01/20 08:47 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

I know many conocybes/pholiotinas can be impossible to distinguish macroscopically, but I've always thought the rugosa didn't have any identical looking relatives. Learn something new every day.


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