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falcorito
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"You can't cheat experience". Noob needs help to get back on track! 1
#26569907 - 03/31/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright growers, or should I say Angels! First things first: a HUGE THANK YOU for this forum. Second thing first: feel absolutely free to insult me! If you give me suggestions, I'll focus on those.
I can definitely bore you with the long story long, BUT, long story short, it's almost 1 month after birthing 2 BRF cake kits from the Netherlands and other than some micro-pins, nothing else comes out of them.
My order contained 1 cake of Golden Teacher and 1 of Panaeolus Subbalteatus (Hawaiian). They didn't mark them so IDK which is which. What a good start!
Bought them from an online store from Holland because of no spores available here. Not ideal, but I figured it'd be an easier way to start, before going ahead with my own spore print etc. However, most likely I'm an idiot missing some very basic step and these bricks are not helping an idiot.
I somehow decided I won't put the cakes in the bag they came with. It looks to me like putting them into a condom. No thanks, I prefer building a FC myself.
The pic will describe better than my words.
What you won't see, and why I did what I did: - I put an heating mat underneath the perlite, to keep the temp constant, as at night it drops below 60 °F. - I added an heating lamp as the heat mat wasn't enough to keep up to 75 °F. After a while I figured they were probably cooking because of direct exposure to the heat bulb, so I placed a cardboard panel covered with foil in front of it. The heat lamp is regulated by a thermostat.
- After about 10 days of fanning at least 3 times a day I added a computer fan that runs on itself 3 times a day for 10 min, pulling air from within the box and throwing it out for better FAE.
Temp is 75 °F steady ( +/- 1 °F variation), humidity is constantly 99%, drops to 80% for a few minutes after the fan goes off, goes back up quickly.
After 2 weeks from inception some small/minuscule/micro pins went out -> I got excited, they noticed, and completely stopped growing.
After 5 days from the micro pins I gave the cakes a 24h dunk, because why not, and put them back in the FC.
5 days from the dunk some new pins appeared, and again they completely stopped growing.
On top of that one of the 2 cakes developed some mold on the top, so I decided to take it out and put some bleach solution on the perlite in the FC.
I am ready to wait more, but I really need a word of encouragement or even someone yelling at me on what I'm doing wrong so that I can correct my direction and tune into how mushrooms think.
And here are the pics.

Thank you all in advance!
Falcorito
Edited by falcorito (03/31/20 08:00 PM)
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bw86
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Re: I must be the dumbest wanna-be grower ever [Re: falcorito]
#26569932 - 03/31/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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to be completely honest I stopped reading after "it's almost 1 month after birthing 2 BRF cake kits"
neat pictures welcome to the shroomery
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falcorito
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Re: I must be the dumbest wanna-be grower ever [Re: bw86]
#26569935 - 03/31/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the warm welcome ranger!
So there's absolutely nothing I can do to try to recover them?
Edited by falcorito (03/31/20 08:02 PM)
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Re: I must be the dumbest wanna-be grower ever [Re: falcorito] 1
#26570049 - 03/31/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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There is alot you can do but man. There is a lot wrong here.
Ditch the lamp. Take everything out of the FC. Leave the heating mat but raise the chamber off of it. Start misting and do a 12)12 light cycle with a nice blub away from the FC.
Also if it is green mold the whole thing is toast.
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Re: I must be the dumbest wanna-be grower ever [Re: Sockadin]
#26570226 - 03/31/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks Sockadin!! I removed the lamp!
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raise the chamber off of it
Should the heat mat be on the bottom of the box, inside, i.e. covered with perlite, or should it be outside the box?
This is a point that I don't find much clarification around!
So basically the concept is that they shouldn't be too close to a heat source?
Thanks again!!
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Re: I must be the dumbest wanna-be grower ever [Re: falcorito]
#26570244 - 04/01/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Welcome my friend! 
What's up with that fruiting chamber? Did you try to make a SGFC because if so, you are missing a lot of thing and I be happy to point then out for you.
If not. Maybe you are trying to so your own thing and then I do not want to sou d like an ass.
Either way. Defently take the lamp out of there. No need for it to be inside the FC.
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Re: I must be the dumbest wanna-be grower ever [Re: Puduwoke]
#26571130 - 04/01/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Puduwoke said: What's up with that fruiting chamber? Did you try to make a SGFC because if so, you are missing a lot of thing and I be happy to point then out for you. If not. Maybe you are trying to so your own thing and then I do not want to sou d like an ass.
I was serious, feel free to have fun kicking my ass for being stupid and trying to do something cool!
I read about SGFC but probably I miss some basic notion, and the problem I tried to solve is the temperature. How do I keep a constant temp in the 70s °, in a coldish house?
I got rid of the lamp, I am not putting fresh new perlite in the chamber, but I'll wait for some good advice on how to proceed.
Also, is it safe to dunk the cakes again? Is there risk to over-do that?
Thankssss!!!!
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Re: I must be the dumbest wanna-be grower ever [Re: falcorito]
#26571159 - 04/01/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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falcorito said: How do I keep a constant temp in the 70s °, in a coldish house?
Locate your thermostat and raise the temperature to the 70s.
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Re: I must be the dumbest wanna-be grower ever [Re: InfiniteDreams]
#26571202 - 04/01/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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InfiniteDreams said:
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falcorito said: How do I keep a constant temp in the 70s °, in a coldish house?
Locate your thermostat and raise the temperature to the 70s.
Any alternative?
Are heat mats totally bad?
What's the key concept here? Does the mycelium need warm air, but not a warm body? Why is the heat lamp bad? Is it because it dries out the surface layer of mycelium?
Or maybe because it kills the small innocent pins?
Or because it's too hot?
Or... else?
The thermostat is in another room. If I increase its temp to 70F the room of the FC will receive a +/- 7 degrees, because of different heat dispersion in the various rooms of this house.
If anyone knows what's the concept around that and helps me understand it, then I can find a solution in accordance to that!
Thanks!
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Re: I must be the dumbest wanna-be grower ever [Re: InfiniteDreams]
#26571223 - 04/01/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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InfiniteDreams said:
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falcorito said: How do I keep a constant temp in the 70s °, in a coldish house?
Locate your thermostat and raise the temperature to the 70s.
This is gold. Quote of the year IMO.
Op, cubes are subtropical. So yeah ambient temperature should be 70+, but a heat mat or grow light will remove moisture at a rate that is to high for mycelium. Also air temperature and solid temperature are two different things. Air is a gas, a heat mat is not going to change the air temperature, only create convection from the bottom of the substrate.
Get a space heater and out it in a corner of the room and set it to 72 and keep the cakes misted. Then the natural evaporation process can take place far away from your grow area.
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Re: I must be the dumbest wanna-be grower ever [Re: Sockadin]
#26571251 - 04/01/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is super useful!
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Sockadin said: a heat mat or grow light will remove moisture at a rate that is to high for mycelium. Also air temperature and solid temperature are two different things. Air is a gas, a heat mat is not going to change the air temperature, only create convection from the bottom of the substrate.
I raised the cakes with a small grill to avoid excessive heat from the mat, and I monitored the air temp.
The heat lamp was definitely too much, but it only belongs to the past! Lesson learnt!
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Get a space heater and out it in a corner of the room and set it to 72 and keep the cakes misted. Then the natural evaporation process can take place far away from your grow area.
I'll remove the heat mat as well and do this instead.

Any other improvement for this kinda messed up FC? LOL
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Re: I must be the dumbest wanna-be grower ever [Re: falcorito]
#26571978 - 04/01/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Post new picture of cakes? I think one had some mold.
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