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Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant
    #26569682 - 03/31/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Got some mycelium and compost from a local patch that I'm trying to grow/transplant in my backyard under a cherry tree. The space is well shaded for the hot northern California summer. I mixed the mycelium and compost of the cyanescens with steer manure and vermiculite.

Plan is to add a mixture of peatmoss with alder wood chips as my top layer.

Question is, in the meantime should I add a little bit of chips on top and cover with cardboard for the spring/summer to keep the mixture protected instead of the plastic bag I have now??


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Consciousdave]
    #26569765 - 03/31/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Id put the myc in the chips and wait nature will do the rest


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26569798 - 03/31/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Steer manure is irrelevent and possibly harmful.  You just need hardwood chips.  See this

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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26569805 - 03/31/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26569850 - 03/31/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you for the input. With what I've already done, what would u recommend I do to adjust? Pasteurize some alder chips and try to mix them in to the bed?


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Consciousdave]
    #26569855 - 03/31/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Dont need to pasturize them but i would at least soak them in water, mixing a little soil or in your case poo into the mix will help the myc decompose the chips


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Shroomhunts] * 1
    #26570095 - 03/31/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You could pasteurize the chips if you like.  I have had success just carrying a shovelful of myc to the new bed, throwing it on the chips, and covering it up with more chips.  I start with totally rain soaked chips, no other preparation. 

If one was starting from spores, using grain or such, sterile approach is appropriate.  But the mycelium is very resiliant, in my three years experience with it at this point.


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26570113 - 03/31/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The fastest way to start a new patch is to transplant a section from an existing patch to a new mulch pile while keeping the pins and mycelium network intact. You will know you succeeded when the pins matute and you can enjoy the fruits of your labor right away instead of waiting an entire season
Here is an example 2 days after a transplant of a coffee cup sized section of the colonized woodchips with pins to a fresh mulch bed.


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26570182 - 03/31/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The fastest way to start a new patch is to transplant a section from an existing patch to a new mulch pile while keeping the pins and mycelium network intact. You will know you succeeded when the pins matute and you can enjoy the fruits of your labor right away instead of waiting an entire season





He's in CA, unlikely he's got pins.  But that would be fun.  The mushrooms in the pic don't look like Ps. cyanescens, are we talking the same kind of cyans? 

OP, If your summers are hot and dry, Ps. cyans may have a tough time.


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26575238 - 04/03/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have posted some pictures of mushrooms from this patch to make sure they were psilocybe cyanescens. I took a spore print and it backed it up as well. I do live in northern California in the valley where the summers are hot so def not ideal for cyan grows but I've got good shade and can insulate with cardboard/plastic bags/leaves. Here are some pictures of the patch I found in the winter where I got the mycelium/decaying mushrooms from for transplant.



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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26577298 - 04/04/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What type of chips do you use? I got some alder chips for smoking but cant really find wood chips other than general mulch bags at like home depot.


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Consciousdave]
    #26577361 - 04/04/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Regular mulch works great


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26577816 - 04/04/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Went back to the patch I know of for some more mycelium and with the current rain and drop in temp to the 40-60 range the red has been some recent fruiting. Got some of the myc and older fruit bodies and a couple pins and put them in my beds with soaked alder chips/soaked maple pellets. Hopefully this will set me up for some good mycelium growth this summer and fruiting in the late fall.



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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26593969 - 04/11/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Expanding the operation.



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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Consciousdave]
    #26601314 - 04/14/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like fun, just be mindful of your neighbors:cheers:


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: liloldme]
    #26601721 - 04/14/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

cedar mulch?


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: the man]
    #26601742 - 04/14/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Absolutely not.  Anything but cedar.  Hardwoods best.  Cedar has specific phenols, I believe, that suprress fungal growth.  Pines aren't great, juniper probably bad.  I use Alder which is cyan superfuel. 


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26601834 - 04/15/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

These were fruiting in the spring? That's great. I thought Cyans were only in the fall, or maybe that is just in PNW and they are spring in Cali. In any case what a find! Sweet to get an easy shortcut to get a patch started!

Looking forward to seeing the progress. I am just starting my azure and cyan spores on agar right now.. racing the clock to get them going in time to see something this fall.


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: the man]
    #26606260 - 04/16/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No, I made sure to avoid Cedar.  This is mostly a pine mixture with some other woods in there but not cedar.  Have a finer "path mulch" with a medium nugget mulch on top.


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: OldManRiver]
    #26606273 - 04/16/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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cedar mulch?



Absolutely not.  Anything but cedar.  Hardwoods best.  Cedar has specific phenols, I believe, that suprress fungal growth.  Pines aren't great, juniper probably bad.  I use Alder which is cyan superfuel. 




I would have used Alder if I could find it in anything other than tiny bags.  What I got is a mixture of pine which I havent heard any negative things about and douglas fir.


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Roundabout]
    #26606284 - 04/16/20 05:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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These were fruiting in the spring? That's great. I thought Cyans were only in the fall, or maybe that is just in PNW and they are spring in Cali. In any case what a find! Sweet to get an easy shortcut to get a patch started!

Looking forward to seeing the progress. I am just starting my azure and cyan spores on agar right now.. racing the clock to get them going in time to see something this fall.




Theyre usually in the fall/winter here as well in the Sacramento valley/Bay area, but we had a 2/3 week span of lowered temperatures to lows in the 40's and highs in the 60's with some substantial rain that brought some fruiting back to an established patch I discovered in the fall.  The fruiting was not large, but there was some descent pinning.  Once the temps rose again though, the fruits quickly dried out and turned light brown/quit growing.

Some of the transplanted pins I placed in my home patch continued to grow some before the higher temperatures came.  My hope is that they dropped their spores in the new patch and will aid in a better grow for this coming fall.


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: liloldme]
    #26606300 - 04/16/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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These were fruiting in the spring? That's great. I thought Cyans were only in the fall, or maybe that is just in PNW and they are spring in Cali. In any case what a find! Sweet to get an easy shortcut to get a patch started!

Looking forward to seeing the progress. I am just starting my azure and cyan spores on agar right now.. racing the clock to get them going in time to see something this fall.



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Looks like fun, just be mindful of your neighbors:cheers:




Ive seen your grow and was super impressed.  Any suggestions for me?  How much/often do I need to water in the summer?  Keep in mind I'm in the valley of california where it can get in the 100's in the summer.  I dont have a sprinkler system set up, but I've been trying to do a deep watering every couple of days to keep it moist under the top layer.


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Consciousdave]
    #26606715 - 04/16/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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These were fruiting in the spring? That's great. I thought Cyans were only in the fall, or maybe that is just in PNW and they are spring in Cali. In any case what a find! Sweet to get an easy shortcut to get a patch started!

Looking forward to seeing the progress. I am just starting my azure and cyan spores on agar right now.. racing the clock to get them going in time to see something this fall.



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Looks like fun, just be mindful of your neighbors:cheers:




Ive seen your grow and was super impressed.  Any suggestions for me?  How much/often do I need to water in the summer?  Keep in mind I'm in the valley of california where it can get in the 100's in the summer.  I dont have a sprinkler system set up, but I've been trying to do a deep watering every couple of days to keep it moist under the top layer.




It gets mid 90's often and 100 occasionally at my patch.  I water every third day, deeply. 

probably wouldn't hurt to mulch on top of your chips, to provide heat protection and hold in moisture.


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    #26606879 - 04/16/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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These were fruiting in the spring? That's great. I thought Cyans were only in the fall, or maybe that is just in PNW and they are spring in Cali. In any case what a find! Sweet to get an easy shortcut to get a patch started!

Looking forward to seeing the progress. I am just starting my azure and cyan spores on agar right now.. racing the clock to get them going in time to see something this fall.



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Looks like fun, just be mindful of your neighbors:cheers:




Ive seen your grow and was super impressed.  Any suggestions for me?  How much/often do I need to water in the summer?  Keep in mind I'm in the valley of california where it can get in the 100's in the summer.  I dont have a sprinkler system set up, but I've been trying to do a deep watering every couple of days to keep it moist under the top layer.




It gets mid 90's often and 100 occasionally at my patch.  I water every third day, deeply. 

probably wouldn't hurt to mulch on top of your chips, to provide heat protection and hold in moisture.




I just threw down another litle layer of chips on top for some extra heat protection and help keep the moisture in.  I wonder if some sort of casing layer would be appropriate like some peatmoss or something.  My patches are in shaded areas that get little to no direct sunlight.


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26664336 - 05/11/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



Some updates. The mycelium I transplanted has spread in to the new bed. Didnt want to dig too much and break up what's growing. The last pic is of a spot that gets a fair amount of sunlight. Think I  need to case that spot as the other 2 don't get any sun at all.

Any suggestions on anything else I should do? Make a mycelium LC spray and spray down the chip bed to try to accelerate growth?


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Re: Outdoor Cyans grow/transplant [Re: Shroomhunts]
    #26687958 - 05/22/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)



After some abnormal may showers I have this mold growing on my peatmoss casing layer. Will this be harmful for my cyan myc growing underneath?  On the bright side the rain has brought some good myc growth in my beds.


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    #26691039 - 05/23/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)



My is attaching to the cardboard we'll after 6 days.


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    #26698081 - 05/26/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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After some abnormal may showers I have this mold growing on my peatmoss casing layer. Will this be harmful for my cyan myc growing underneath?  On the bright side the rain has brought some good myc growth in my beds.



In my experience, cyans are pretty robust to competitive fungi.  I have winecaps growing around them, but the winecaps don't penetrate the cyan bed. Downside of growing outside is you get what you get for competition.


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    #26732153 - 06/09/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)



Mycelium growth coming up through the Peatmoss casing layer.


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    #26735859 - 06/11/20 01:03 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Mycelium growth coming up through the Peatmoss casing layer.




Certainly a good sign.


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    #27030232 - 11/09/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)



First pins of the season.


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    #27030362 - 11/09/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Congrats mate hopefully many more to come, keep her moist


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    #27033218 - 11/11/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)



An observation, the area behind the tree that i put a good casing layer on is showing a nice flush where as the area to the left with no casing layer has mycelium growth that I can see, it is not pinning yet and the mycelium isn't as dense.


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    #27047232 - 11/19/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)



They're coming in quite nicely.


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