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Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking
    #26569216 - 03/31/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hello,
I've a Box with approx 400ml of completely colonized Rye.
I've toss it over a layer of dry perlite and the i've put on top of it a 50/50 layer of peatmoss and vermiculite saturated with water (by squeezing in my fist it only let drop a single drop of water).

I've put in a tub where I keep approx 26°C  (79°F) until it colonized 33% of the peat moss/vermiculite layer.


Then I've lowered the temp,keeping 22-23°C (72-73°F) and I'm fanning and misting (at least 4 times a day). Keep a LED lamp (cold white) in the room for about 5 hours a day.

The substrate is now completely colonized, but I don't see any sign of pinning yet. There have been 5 days from the moment that I lowered temp and started to Fan&Mist.

What is worring me is that the substrate is stating to shrink, even if I'm keeping misting.

What should I do?
a) be patient and keep Fanning&Misting?
b) try to dunk the substrate as if I was starting the second flush? (should I've done also for the first flush?)
c) other suggestion?

Thanks for the help



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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26569268 - 03/31/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Shrink is normal. The mycelium is consuming your media. Just wait longer on this one.


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: Sockadin]
    #26569272 - 03/31/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid: usually shrinks right before it pins


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26569278 - 03/31/20 02:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

if you spread it over perlite, you will probably get pins underneath because of the microclimate it will create.  I tried doing this with clay pebbles.


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26569338 - 03/31/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks to all!
I will try to go on fanning and misting hoping for the best.

@AtmozFear
I've tryed to mimic the growkits I see online...
Do you think the pin will occour undeneath because of the dryer climate ?

I forgot to mention that I've cover with aluminium foil the bottom and the walls (outside of the plastic)  to completely block the light from any direction except from above. Should this be enough to pin only on the top surface?


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26569363 - 03/31/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

light is only used as a signal or trigger- mycellium and/or mushrooms don't actually use light for nutrition.  And you don't have to worry about blocking any light anywhere, nor do you have to fan; if you have an unmodded tote, all you need to do is latch/unlatch, cover/uncover... and the dry climate is great!- facilitates more evaporation when the lid is uncovered- it is plenty humid when you mist and then keep the lid closed for an amount of time.


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26575452 - 04/03/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Update

I'm starting being pessimistic...
The mycelium has shrink even more, and also it's color seams a less bright white then before....

keeping "fan and mist"  though.
Crossed fingers.



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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26577092 - 04/04/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Other update:

I've taken out the "cake": there is contamination :thumbdown:



Moreover, by seeing both the top and the lateral side, it's clear that the bright white of the mycelium, on the top, has became a "bluish-white" and it tends toward a "greenish-white".



The contamination is bigger where the mycelium was more distant from the walls... clearly I introduced it or spreaded it with the misting...

So, questions:

1) what do I do now?
2) next time: mist with tap water instead of bottle water?
Maybe the chlorine in tap water does more good (damage to contaminants) than bad (damage to the mycelium)
3) Dunk also BEFORE first fruiting? (also: bottle or tap water?)
4) what are good measure to prevent contamination on the mycelium of a full colonized rye spawn? (it was keeped in a tub opened only for misting and fanning)


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26577268 - 04/04/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know what you see but cased grain can take a couple weeks to start to pin


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26577270 - 04/04/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

yeah it looks fine


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26577308 - 04/04/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Everything looks like it should and you are overthinking things. The sub will shrink- that's perfectly normal. Just. Be. Patient.


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: FooMan]
    #26577338 - 04/04/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

There might be slight bruising in those circles but you did just handle it.. totally normal

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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: fahtster]
    #26579323 - 04/05/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, thanks for the "no panic" info :grin:


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26599642 - 04/14/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just thinking I owed you guys a follow-up:
despite me desperately touching and handling the thing, it managed to pin and grow (I've even broke it in half trying to put it back in the box :rolleyes: )



Big one is 2in tall and ⅝in diameter of the head, still growing.

Think could have achieved much better (and uniform) pinning if would have just listened to you and not handled so much the thing for photos and checking for contamination.

Thanks again.


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26599659 - 04/14/20 07:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

what's the final yield?


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26599678 - 04/14/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

For now I'm at the point you see in the image.
Will update with the yield as soon as i harvest (can we predict how long it will take? 4 days more, I think?)
I imagine I will have to harvest 2 time (suggestions welcome, it's my first grow) because pins appeared spanned in a long period (biggers one came out at least 4 days before the others, and there are also some pins that came out yesterday).
So I think I will have to harvest the 6 bigger shrooms and some days later the others... let's see when the cap starts to open.


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26601986 - 04/15/20 02:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Was quicker then expected, some caps are already opening.
I Harvested the ones that opened and some other that came togheter.



This ones in the photos are 1oz.
Sound promising as first time if the others will became same size.

Is this a good start?
it was 7oz of rye, whats a good yield for this quantity of substrate?


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26607506 - 04/17/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Second part of the harvest was 1.13oz

So, in reply to metaphoric, the entire yield for first flush is 2.14oz.
PLUS 2 caps that I've spare to spore print.

From yesterday afternoon they have all been in the drier at 50°C, the dry weight is now exactly 0.2oz.

I've removed all the very little pin abortions, and dunk the spawn in the refrigerator. Let's hope in a second yield.


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26608962 - 04/17/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:boofbanana:


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: Sockadin]
    #26616911 - 04/21/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

mmm...
there are signs that second flush will be more consistent....

Crossed fingers :thumbup:


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26616971 - 04/21/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You don’t want to try to mimic those grow kits you see, most people show up here asking why they’re not working. Cased grain does work but not as well as just mixing your grain up with a little coir/verm.

Do you plan on doing another grow?


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26617820 - 04/21/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, you are right.... but was the first grow, I was thinking to buy a kit so i decided that as the first time would be simplest just to mimic it.

I've another batch that's colonizing now (popcorn under a casing of 50peatmoss/50vermiculite)

My plan is to try also a cloning from the best mushroom i get in honey liquid culture, spawn to rye, then spawn to 50/50 horse manure and vermiculite. Just to try everything :grin:


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26626226 - 04/25/20 04:20 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry to bother again, but my box has begun to take a color that I don't like. It's yellowish.

The mushroom are still growing, but seems to have something on them, and obviously I'm again worried about contamination.



The mushrooms can be "cleaned" with a cotton swab, the "thing" can easily been removed. Here after some light attempt to cleaning:




I wondering if it is contamination, and if yes what kind. If it is, I think I've exaggerated on misting.

So what should I do now?
Trash all now?
Keep growing this flush (are these mushrooms safe to eat?) and then trash it?
Continue as is?

Thanks again for the support.


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26626687 - 04/25/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I think it could be useful to add that I can't smell any strange smell other than typical mushrooms smell.


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26627031 - 04/25/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

it was drying


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: cronicr]
    #26627245 - 04/25/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

thats awesome you gave them a lil shine up top lol

let em air out and grow they are tryin to do it


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: PinkStormtrooper]
    #26629053 - 04/26/20 07:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

cronicr said:
it was drying



Can It be?
I was afraid do be exaggerating with misting... since the previous flush the substrate was shrinking, I kept misting  very very often... every  two hour.

But after I clean them, two caps develop some cracks, that seems to be a clue pointing do dehidration...

Quote:

PinkStormtrooper said:
thats awesome you gave them a lil shine up top lol
let em air out and grow they are tryin to do it




Lol I care about my cute mushrooms :heart:
Will do.



The mushroom are still growing, the two bigger have some cracks on the cap...
I will keep the faith :thumbup:

Thanks Cronic and PinkStormtrooper


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: bumboat]
    #26629228 - 04/26/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Keep your RH up. What are you using for a Fruiting Chamber?

Also the original white speckles on that caps are normal. But like Cron  said the caps are splitting because of low Humidity and they are drying out.


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Re: Rye spawn, not pinning, shinking [Re: Sockadin]
    #26630056 - 04/26/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hi Sockadin,
I'm using a plastic tub of 20x15x10 inches
I'm keeping the lid cracked, misting and fanning every two hours between 10am to 12am.

I mist abundantly with a spray bottle.
For this, and seeing that "mud" over the mushroom I thinked it was too much. (I repost here the detail image to which I refer)


Lowering the frequency of misting to about 3 times a day resulted in the cracked caps, so I suppose you both are right when you say they lack humidity.

[[In the last image you see a paper box in the background because I temporary removed the box from the tub for a deep clean of the tub, because I wa worried for the contamination]]


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