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Sulfurshelfsean
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Helicoil vs Timecert
#26568917 - 03/31/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Which do you prefer? I may have to retap an oil pan and was wondering what will really last.
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POWAtrippin
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Have you checked to see if a longer bolt will still grab undamaged threads?
I am not 100% sure a time sert will work for this type of application because (if memory serves me) they have a flange piece that stops the sleeve from being inserted past the top of the old bolt hole. Being that you need a good surface to hold back the flood... see where i am going here?
that being said i haven't ever used either in this exact instance.
oil pan bolts don't have to be very tight, wtf were you doing under there? The largest force spec i have seen for oil pan bolts is 22 ftlbs... When i was turning wrenches for a living I had a screw gun i set to roughly 15 ftlbs and use that for pretty much everything i knew didn't require much force.
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Sulfurshelfsean
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Timesert has a kit specifically for drain plugs. I got a car from this guy and I was changing the oil. I went to drain it and the bolt took a shit ton of force to come loose and when it did... It just spun in place. Been trying everything I can think I of to get it out. It might just be the bolt threads. But at this rate I might have to purposefully cross thread the bolt just to get it out. So I'm just trying to figure out something for a worst case scenario, as a new oil pan for this thing costs 750 bucks...
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When using for a drain plug a flange on the end facing you wouldn't (shouldn't) matter. The pan however requires flat surfaces. I thought you were talking about the bolts holding the pan to the block, not the drain plug.
Ideas for getting the bolt out, ez out kit, or if you can manage to get the tip of a flat blade screw driver under the head a bit and apply force while trying to back it out.
If the bolt is spinning inside the hole, i don't think you have much threads to cross bud.
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Sulfurshelfsean
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Im gonna try the e-z out, but everyone tells me that since thr bolt spins I wont be able to get the ez put in the hole that gets drilled in the bolt.
As for trying to cross thread, it worked for this guy: https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tech-general-engine/384096-drain-plug-wont-come.html
So I figure I'll try it when im out of options. Tried screw drivers, needle nose pliers, those needle nose looking vice grips....
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Welp I got it out! And unfortunately it was a steel plug in an aluminum pan so the pan is stripped not the bolt...
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Find a larger plug and drill and tap the pan to fit. You'll probably want to drop the pan when you drill it to make sure you get all of the shavings out but you would have to do that with a helicoil anyways.
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Re: Helicoil vs Timecert [Re: Kwyjibo]
#26571387 - 04/01/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice y'all. Gonna have to get yhis thing to my brother inlaws shop.
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They make replacement (smaller) drainplugs to remedy this common problem. You forcefully thread/insert Epoxy it in place, & use the new, smaller bolt as the drain plug.
Had to install one myself a while back and it worked 100%.
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Sulfurshelfsean
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For the time being im going woth an expansion plug. Is that what youre talking about? Then going to probably just use a self taping oversized one.
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The one I used was metal that compressed into where the old threads were. If that sounds like what you have, then yes. It was NOT a rubber dealio, if that's what you're referring to.
I assume you mean you plan to install a self-tapping, oversized bolt in the future. That should work fine. What I installed was basically that, except it had another hold drilled through it for a smaller bolt/drain plug.
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Edited by dizzy_simmons (04/02/20 06:53 PM)
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