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OfflineGrapefruit
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Slave to thought.
    #26568463 - 03/31/20 05:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think it must be a problem for any person engaged in philosophical thinking or intellectualism that it can be quite easy to become a slave those systems we have used to inform us of the world and how we should act upon it. It all can become a mess in one's mind and another trap. I often feel this way and something breaks me out of it but keeping out of it seems troubling.

Therefore is it the job of this kind of person to transcend that systematic thinking and engage with living? How should one go about doing this and not become wrapped in the systems man has created and continues to create whilst still living with them?


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Re: Slave to thought. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26568502 - 03/31/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

A classic antidote (to over identification with thought & self) is meditation.
Perhaps tonglen meditation in particular.

Depends on the person.
Anything that reconnects with the breath or body moves one in that direction, such as:

Breath:
holotropic breath work
rebirthing
Bioenergetic or Reichian therapy therapy
Wim Hof breathing

Body:
Tai Chi Chuan
Qui Gong
Yoga

Thought is not an enemy, but sometimes we need to re-balance the system to include other aspects of life.

Wim's breathing method, has perhaps the least, "baggage" if that is an issue. The method is available for free on You tube.


Edited by laughingdog (03/31/20 06:29 AM)


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Re: Slave to thought. [Re: laughingdog]
    #26568556 - 03/31/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I recommend checking out Jiddu Krishnamurti.  This is from The Awakening of Intelligence, which is available for free download as a pdf file.

"We started out by asking if I can look at the whole movement of life as a unitary process. The killing, the refugees, the war in the Middle East, the Catholics, the Protestants, the scientists, the artists, the businessmen, private life, public life, my family, your family - there is endless division. This division has brought about such disorder in the world and in myself. Can I look at all this as a marvelous single movement? I can't, that is a fact. I can't, because I am fragmented in myself. I am conditioned in myself. So my concern then is, not to find out how to live a unitary life, but to see if the fragmentation can come to an end. And that fragmentation only comes to an end when I realize that all my consciousness is made up of these fragments. My consciousness is the fragmentation. And when I say, "There must be integration, it must be brought together", it is still part of that trick I am playing upon myself. So I realize that. I realize it as a truth, like fire burns, you can't deceive me, it is a fact, and I am left with it. And I have to find out how it operates in my daily life - not guess, play, theorize. Because I have seen the truth of it, that truth is going to act. If I don't see it and pretend I have seen it, then I am going to make a hideous mess of my life."


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Re: Slave to thought. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26568655 - 03/31/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Grapefruit said:
I think it must be a problem for any person engaged in philosophical thinking or intellectualism that it can be quite easy to become a slave those systems we have used to inform us of the world and how we should act upon it. It all can become a mess in one's mind and another trap. I often feel this way and something breaks me out of it but keeping out of it seems troubling.

Therefore is it the job of this kind of person to transcend that systematic thinking and engage with living? How should one go about doing this and not become wrapped in the systems man has created and continues to create whilst still living with them?




IMO just be true to yourself. If you're thinking it, act on it. If it's a toss up, it's ok to not act.

If it's always a toss up then you probably need to focus on what's important to you and get that sorted first and prioritize actions towards the important things to start.


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Re: Slave to thought. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26568881 - 03/31/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting, but I must see if we can mean the same thing using these few words:

thought, we can probably agree on, i.e. something in your mind that briefly exists and impacts the mind contextually, meaningfully in some way.

no?

slave? who is the slave? is the very impact of the thought a link in an enslaving chain that locks the mind,
or is it a stepping stone that the mind can walk into - thus letting the next thought arrive?

thoughts could be either (chain links or stepping stones), yet what of
the thinker of the thought, is that the mind, or is it the previous series of thoughts resonating in the mind.

and is it the mind that becomes enslaved, or is it the thinker that becomes enslaved? or having been subject to thought (that is subject to self) is the mind or thinker somehow enabled?


I think that if the stepping stones (or links) only make a circular path, the thinker may feel frustrated (or enslaved).

The thinker may notice that he/she is the embodiment of those thoughts resonating in mind, and thereby steer off the frustrating path into one of self observation, which changes the thinker's whole being into a new mental resonance of recent thoughts and observations.

I usually find that observing the shifting of mental contents adds a liberating perspective.

Interesting...


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Re: Slave to thought. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26569393 - 03/31/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Grapefruit said:
...Therefore is it the job of this kind of person to transcend that systematic thinking and engage with living? How should one go about doing this and not become wrapped in the systems man has created and continues to create whilst still living with them?




.  As ego & philosophical thought are mostly pretty serious...

.  As the body & brain produce dopamine, various pain chemicals, & other chemicals internally, that are very similar to drugs, and have receptors that allow these chemicals to work, regardless of where they come from...

.  As certain classes of drugs produce different effects...
For examples stimulants (such as coffee) may actually use a capability the body/mind already has
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=coffee+adrenal+fatigue&t=ha&ia=web
https://drjessechappus.com/the-impact-of-coffee-on-your-adrenal-glands/#
.    ”Here’s the problem. Coffee stimulates the adrenal glands, which means that every time you drink coffee, you’re activating the body’s fight-or-flight response. But, instead of releasing adrenaline so the body can react to a true stressor, the adrenals are releasing this hormone in response to your coffee consumption."

.  Like wise painkillers make use of opioid receptors
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=opioid+receptors&t=h_&ia=web

.  and so on
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=drug+receptors&t=h_&ia=web

.  As there are number of drugs that at times produce, a state of mind where everything seems funny (from nitrous oxide to weed) …  it raises the question ….  receptors ? ….
and referring to the first item on the list…
we get:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=laughter+yoga
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=laughter+yoga&t=h_&ia=web
.  for blessed relief & emancipation from the first items on the list


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Re: Slave to thought. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26569613 - 03/31/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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How should one go about doing this and not become wrapped in the systems man has created and continues to create whilst still living with them?




A healthy amount of detachment can help.

Unsure what you mean by "systems we have used to inform us of the world and how we should act upon it" - are you talking about the media? Religion or politics? All of it maybe. By choosing to abstain from taking the beliefs and views we hold too seriously, we cultivate freedom. When we take our thoughts very seriously, we enter the gates of hell.  PS - I find the resurgence of the use of the word "whilst" quite interesting.


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Re: Slave to thought. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26570085 - 03/31/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Grapefruit said:
I think it must be a problem for any person engaged in philosophical thinking or intellectualism that it can be quite easy to become a slave those systems we have used to inform us of the world and how we should act upon it. It all can become a mess in one's mind and another trap. I often feel this way and something breaks me out of it but keeping out of it seems troubling.

Therefore is it the job of this kind of person to transcend that systematic thinking and engage with living? How should one go about doing this and not become wrapped in the systems man has created and continues to create whilst still living with them?




I mean, it’s certainly your responsibility to do that.  But to exist in a man made system means you’re wrapped.  There may be other preferable man systems where you’d be more comfortable.  Perhaps doing something extreme to dislodge from the current bad system to get a perspective towards a potential better man system.


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Re: Slave to thought. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #26580726 - 04/05/20 10:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Grapefruit said:
I think it must be a problem for any person engaged in philosophical thinking or intellectualism that it can be quite easy to become a slave those systems we have used to inform us of the world and how we should act upon it. It all can become a mess in one's mind and another trap. I often feel this way and something breaks me out of it but keeping out of it seems troubling.

Therefore is it the job of this kind of person to transcend that systematic thinking and engage with living? How should one go about doing this and not become wrapped in the systems man has created and continues to create whilst still living with them?




A story I share about the difference between extroverted thinking and introverted thinking in the story of Einstein. You see, when he introduced the theory of relativity, it threw all of conventional science on its head. Meanwhile, many were building a career upon the science of the old system and continued to do so even after the theory of relativity. Those people weren't stupid, they were just accepting the science of the time. I don't necessarily think there is much wrong with that until they become the slaves you speak of.

That is what I despise about the intellectual world. Case in point: I was driving Uber and picked up a Russian PhD. He talked down to me the whole ride despite the fact that I was holding my own in all of the advanced scientific discussions. He bragged about being published and one experiment in particular. He had found using worms that organisms prioritize food over breeding. I said "duh... if they can reproduce more than once than surviving is more important than breeding as it ensures that they can breed more down the road." That truth is obvious to any thinking person but the desire to excel in this members only club of published scientists drove him to wasting his time and money on a pointless experiment.


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Re: Slave to thought. [Re: Darwin23]
    #26580821 - 04/05/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Must have been really annoying, truly despicable in fact.


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Re: Slave to thought. [Re: laughingdog]
    #26581329 - 04/06/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

worms are so underrated


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Re: Slave to thought. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26581667 - 04/06/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I thought I was a slave
but I put some soothing salve
on it, and the irritation
went away

But then salvia turned me into
a slave cylinder in my
manual transmission .

So I put some salve
on my cylinder
and it felt so good
I gave up being a slave to thought

And now I'm a slave to salve and salvia.
But knot to naughty thoughts.
Butt Then again some prefer
KY-jelly and knoty thoughts.

Is it unkind to the mind
to discard it
like some old orange rind?


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