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Allium
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Re: 2020 poppy thread [Re: openmind]
#26567411 - 03/30/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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openmind said: Since it seems that poppies can be started indoors and transplanted with a gentle touch....
Do any of you sow/plant some more in the middle of or towards the end of summer?
I tried sowing more seeds all through out spring last year but none of them germinated, I assume because it was too warm outside. But if I'm able to germinate some seeds in a solo cup indoors and transplant them, then I'm thinking about planting more sometime around June/July-ish.
How do poppies do in hot weather? It's around 90 to 105 in my area most of the summer. Maybe young plants won't do well during the heat of summer?
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Allium said: .....These will eventually all go in a bed all to their own very soon!

When transplanting from a solo cup like those....Do you have any technique or certain way you go about it? Or is it done just like transplanting any other plant?
Do you do so when they are at a certain size/have a certain amount of leaves?
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sacramentum said:
 glove for scale.
Looking good!
Nice foliage, big chunky leaves on those.
A few of mine are close to being that big.
I'll eventually get some pics posted lol.
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Poppies will germinate in even very hot conditions, they just wont grow past the seedling stage.
I dumped out some seeds that tea was made from, in mid summer with temps in the 90's one time, in my compost pile, and they germinated by the thousands! They just didn't grow past that.
Poppies wont grow in the summer months in grow zones 7 and up, because of the heat, and even fall planting, I think would be futile, because they are long day bloomers.
I went ahead and put all my poppies in a bed that I made. I just transplanted them like any other old plant, and they did fine
I would take pics, but they are still so small, that you probably wouldn't be able to see much, haha!
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MadMuncher said: planning to grow some again this year. waiting for my friend to send my collection i had a pretty impressive portfolio a few years ago.
picked these up recently

according to this study its one of the most potent ornamental varieties. https://organicalbotanicals.com/wp-content/uploads/Study-of-Ornamental-Poppies_Flemish_Grape_Queens.pdf someone told me a time ago that the only cultivars worth scraping the pods if i remember are white and blue afghani varieties and the giant black one but theyre probably wrong
Are those worth of scraping? I could get them too Have anyone here smoked scraped and dryed resin before? How's the high? Anything like codeine?
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don't think so. not sure. potency seems to vary by environment/climate as well. people say ornamental varieties are not worth scraping but they do produce the latex obviously. ive smoked a little dried resin scraped from unknown cultivars and i never really noticed any effects. my interest has been growing and saving the pods for tinctures and tea for emergency medicine. i don't use opiates. it would be really cool to practice extractions
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MadMuncher said: planning to grow some again this year. waiting for my friend to send my collection i had a pretty impressive portfolio a few years ago.
picked these up recently

according to this study its one of the most potent ornamental varieties. https://organicalbotanicals.com/wp-content/uploads/Study-of-Ornamental-Poppies_Flemish_Grape_Queens.pdf someone told me a time ago that the only cultivars worth scraping the pods if i remember are white and blue afghani varieties and the giant black one but theyre probably wrong
Are those worth of scraping? I could get them too Have anyone here smoked scraped and dryed resin before? How's the high? Anything like codeine?
I have never scraped any of my poppies before, but I have grown that exact cultivar out before, and they are the ones you want 
Tea wise anyway
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Re: 2020 poppy thread [Re: Allium] 1
#26569376 - 03/31/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I used to smoke raw latex off of all of my dif somniferums, and they all got me high
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itried a few times i never could get there..
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Re: 2020 poppy thread [Re: Allium]
#26569386 - 03/31/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Allium said: Poppies will germinate in even very hot conditions, they just wont grow past the seedling stage.
I dumped out some seeds that tea was made from, in mid summer with temps in the 90's one time, in my compost pile, and they germinated by the thousands! They just didn't grow past that.
Poppies wont grow in the summer months in grow zones 7 and up, because of the heat, and even fall planting, I think would be futile, because they are long day bloomers.
I went ahead and put all my poppies in a bed that I made. I just transplanted them like any other old plant, and they did fine
I would take pics, but they are still so small, that you probably wouldn't be able to see much, haha!
That's Interesting you had seeds still germinate for you after all of that.
If heat isn't an issue for germination, I wonder what other variable it is that prevents my seeds from germinating once it's warm outside. Because like mentioned in a previous post, a friend and I both kept trying to germinate seeds last spring and once it was warm/hot out neither of us could get a single seed to pop open ...While just a few weeks before then, before it started to warm up and when the mornings were still cool & damp, I was having very high germination rates.
Around when would you say is the latest date one should be putting poppies in the ground for a successful bloom? (zone 9, northern cali/long hot dry summer)
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Are those worth of scraping? I could get them too Have anyone here smoked scraped and dryed resin before? How's the high? Anything like codeine?
Well codeine is one of the main alkaloids/opiates in poppy, so yea kinda...but there's a whole spectrum of different components in the plant so it's a got a slightly different feel. But generally speaking, most opiates/opioids have the same sort of feel to them, just different potency.
I lanced a few pods last year just out of curiosity. I didn't get anywhere near enough latex/opium to smoke. Maybe it's just the variety I grew didn't produce a lot of latex, but it seems like one would have to be growing a LARGE amount of plants to collect even a small amount of opium/latex. Tea from pods seems like a far more efficient and effective use of the plant.
The plants I'm growing...I won't be lancing or collecting any latex/opium from them.
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Re: 2020 poppy thread [Re: openmind]
#26569419 - 03/31/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree harvesting latex in any form is not really a worthwhile thing.
Call me crazy, but i just chew up pods after emptying seed, but my sense of taste is fucked. The poppy straw is what i would use for any type of preparation.
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Re: 2020 poppy thread [Re: openmind] 1
#26569430 - 03/31/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If I had more seeds, I could do a little experiment for you all.
I would throw some seeds out in a pot when it starts to get really hot here in May, and show you that they will in fact germinate.
You have to make sure that the soil doesn't dry out, and they will most definitely sprout.
They just wont grow past the seedling stage when temps hit in the 80's and above, because they are a cool weather plants.
I don't know why people say that they have to be cold stratified to sprout, because that is 100% false information.
I'm not sure what grow zone you're in, but in order to get a successful bloom here in my zone 7, mine have to be put out in either February, or March. No sooner, or no later.
Zones 8 and above can put their seeds out in the fall, and they will overwinter ,and bloom the following spring, and if fact, zones 8 and above, can get two harvests, by doing another round of planting in late winter, giving you an early spring, and an early summer harvest.
Mine always start to bloom sometime in June, and are totally done before July.
Hope this helps
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Re: 2020 poppy thread [Re: Allium]
#26569451 - 03/31/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Allium said: If I had more seeds, I could do a little experiment for you all.
I would throw some seeds out in a pot when it starts to get really hot here in May, and show you that they will in fact germinate.
You have to make sure that the soil doesn't dry out, and they will most definitely sprout.
They just wont grow past the seedling stage when temps hit in the 80's and above, because they are a cool weather plants.
I don't know why people say that they have to be cold stratified to sprout, because that is 100% false information.
I'm not sure what grow zone you're in, but in order to get a successful bloom here in my zone 7, mine have to be put out in either February, or March. No sooner, or no later.
Zones 8 and above can put their seeds out in the fall, and they will overwinter ,and bloom the following spring, and if fact, zones 8 and above, can get two harvests, by doing another round of planting in late winter, giving you an early spring, and an early summer harvest.
Mine always start to bloom sometime in June, and are totally done before July.
Hope this helps
Thanks for your words .
Perhaps it's the super dry air/very low humidity around my area that was preventing the seeds from germinating. The soil would def end up a bit dry at points during the afternoons/evenings.
I have a decent amount of seed on hand. So I was thinking about doing an "experiment" myself, just to see if I can get them to germinate in warm weather and just to see what plants do that are planted later in the season.
I knew the seeds don't necessarily have to be cold stratified to sprout, but kinda figured they just didn't sprout once it was warm out or once soil temps were too hot....but after hearing from you and others in this thread, seems that's not the case.
I'll likely try to sow some seeds during this fall too, for an early season harvest the following spring.
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Re: 2020 poppy thread [Re: openmind]
#26569475 - 03/31/20 04:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah man, no problemo!
Yep, dry air, and low humidity is most likely why your never germinated.
A little tip, is to spray them daily, with the hose on mist, or shower, until you see them sprout, which should only take a few days, and never let the soil dry out.
If you do do an experiment, post your results on here, for informational purposes 
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Re: 2020 poppy thread [Re: Allium] 2
#26569524 - 03/31/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah harvesting latex isn't really worthwhile on a small scale, especially if you're growing ornamental varieties. If you want to get high just make some tea or eat pods. openmind, I used to grow poppies in the lower sierra around 2,300 feet in norcal and I found that sometimes it would be really hard to germinate seeds in the spring because the soil would dry out before i could water it again. In my experience poppy seeds can definitely germinate when it's hot as long as they stay moist, but you'll never get a good crop if you start when its already hot (tiny stunted plants).
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fer real? isnt the latex what opium is?
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#26569966 - 03/31/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah opium is the latex, and you can harvest a decent amount of it if you grow enough plants, but the only real reason to harvest latex is if you're dead set on having something to smoke. otherwise, tea is much more efficient and lasts way longer than a smoked opium high.
 heres a pic from last season.
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I love the tea but the taste of the latex is addictive to me.
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Re: 2020 poppy thread [Re: Allium]
#26570155 - 03/31/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Allium said: If I had more seeds, I could do a little experiment for you all.
I would throw some seeds out in a pot when it starts to get really hot here in May, and show you that they will in fact germinate.
You have to make sure that the soil doesn't dry out, and they will most definitely sprout.
They just wont grow past the seedling stage when temps hit in the 80's and above, because they are a cool weather plants.
I don't know why people say that they have to be cold stratified to sprout, because that is 100% false information.
I'm not sure what grow zone you're in, but in order to get a successful bloom here in my zone 7, mine have to be put out in either February, or March. No sooner, or no later.
Zones 8 and above can put their seeds out in the fall, and they will overwinter ,and bloom the following spring, and if fact, zones 8 and above, can get two harvests, by doing another round of planting in late winter, giving you an early spring, and an early summer harvest.
Mine always start to bloom sometime in June, and are totally done before July.
Hope this helps
I can prove that what he says to the exact degree is right on point.
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Hey so my babies came up. I have a slight raised bed. I put 247 in left bwc in middle and blue buddha on right. They seem to be sprouting all 3 sections. I dont want soil to dry out right? Is it ok to fine mist the seedlings? Will they live if soil drys a little? I have them covered with window screen.
Here's few of them.
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youre over thinking this dude. you got this. keep em moist
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Allium
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Yes, this the critical stage.
Make sure that soil doesn't dry out!
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