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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26567928 - 03/30/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What I wanna know more than anything is how many people who have died of covid19 would have died of some other preexisting infection within the next year anyway.


Obviously being sick with this thing is bad and the fact that it causes lasting heart and lung damage in some means we oughta avoid getting if at all possible but I'm still curious.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
    #26567933 - 03/30/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You have to inhale thousands of viral particles to have any decent chance of being infected.




but they exhale millions!

mild case of covid19:


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26567938 - 03/30/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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What I wanna know more than anything is how many people who have died of covid19 would have died of some other preexisting infection within the next year anyway.


Obviously being sick with this thing is bad and the fact that it causes lasting heart and lung damage in some means we oughta avoid getting if at all possible but I'm still curious.



Twice as many people died in NYC today of covid than would normally die of all causes on any given day. This means mortality rates in the city are three times higher than normal.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Tantrika]
    #26567943 - 03/30/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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You have to inhale thousands of viral particles to have any decent chance of being infected.




but they exhale millions!

mild case of covid19:





The density of particles would decrease rapidly over distance 1/d3


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26567947 - 03/30/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

This isn't the most optimistic sounding


"A message to the public from Mass. doctors, nurses, and ethicists about the coronavirus"

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Should efforts to maximize our current medical resources fall short, we are making preparations for what may become an overwhelming demand for health care services in the coming days, especially critical care. While we will strive daily to identify strategies that are proportional to the challenges we face, we may be forced to transition to “Crisis Standards of Care.” In accordance with these standards, developed over many years of national and global planning for possible pandemic crises, health care systems must shift their focus from optimizing care for each individual patient to a population-wide approach. It’s the only way we can ensure that we ethically fulfill our responsibilities to all patients.

In taking this action, our commitment to principles of beneficence, justice, and respect requires us to practice evidence-based, equitable, fair, and transparent procedures to ensure that we achieve the maximal overall benefits for our entire community. Such situations might include, being unable to offer, or continue, ICU treatment and/or ventilator support for patients who, based on the most objective and evidence-based criteria available, have a prognosis too poor to justify using those limited resources in ways that deprive care to other patients for whom there is greater likelihood of benefit.

If we face those tragic situations, policies and procedures that are in effect will ensure that, no matter what choices need to be made, we will continue to provide the best possible care to every patient with compassion and respect, even if some forms of medical intervention cannot be offered.

As medical professionals dedicated to the best possible care and outcomes for all patients, making these decisions will be wrenching for everyone involved. None of us want to be in the position of choosing who will live and who will die because our capacity to treat is overwhelmed by the number of people in need of treatment. It’s why we beseech the public to do everything possible to help avoid such an outcome: Stay at home.

If Massachusetts follows a transmission rate similar to areas like Northern Italy, where medical personnel are forced to triage patients, we will strive to earn and deserve the confidence and trust of everyone involved or affected — our patients, their families, our staff, and the public. We seek input from all affected as we work to be as transparent and ethical as possible, most especially in these challenging and uncertain times. ​





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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
    #26567951 - 03/30/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Twice as many people died in NYC today of covid than would normally die of all causes on any given day. This means mortality rates in the city are three times higher than normal.


not that I doubt you but do you have a source for your stat so I can share it?


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
    #26567956 - 03/30/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

This has been described as one order of magnitude worse than the flu. It is dangerous because of so many potential hosts = without social distances, tons of cases until herd immunity established. The deaths and social discord that would result from this would be a tall price to pay.

It’s a stealthy virus; the issue seems to be pre-symptomatic transmission/transmission before symptoms become severe. There’s clearly enough mild cases for community transmission to go undetected for weeks.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: CountHTML]
    #26567964 - 03/30/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

My cousin who's in the hospital with COVID put a picture up on FB 2 weeks ago with her and a small group out at a bar, ignoring social distancing. Everyone in the picture has it now. Likely one of them was asymptomatic at the time and passed it around


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26567976 - 03/30/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Twice as many people died in NYC today of covid than would normally die of all causes on any given day. This means mortality rates in the city are three times higher than normal.


not that I doubt you but do you have a source for your stat so I can share it?




https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2005/TriciaMui.shtml

This is old data. But the average number of deaths in NYC is around 150 per day. About 230 people have died in the city today of covid.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
    #26567991 - 03/30/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

230 = 150 X 2

Everyone knows it


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: doctorghosty]
    #26567995 - 03/30/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Well if 150 die of other causes everyday regardless, and 230 died of covid specifically
then nearly 400 people died today which is nearly 3 times as many as usual.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: natedawgnow]
    #26567999 - 03/30/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I was trying to be funny and was foiled by math, like happened in high school so often


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: doctorghosty]
    #26568000 - 03/30/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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230 = 150 X 2

Everyone knows it




230 was as of 6pm today. Just extrapolating it out assuming that represents 3/4 of the final tally.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
    #26568006 - 03/30/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I’m dumb.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: doctorghosty]
    #26568011 - 03/30/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Another fun fact. The number of people who will die of covid in NYC today is about the same as the number of people who were murdered in NYC last year.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods] * 4
    #26568018 - 03/30/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

NYC has the Ninja Turtles curbing the murder rate substantially though. It's not a fair comparison.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26568025 - 03/30/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I couldn't figure out why DeSantis was losing his goddamn mind over the Zaandam coming to Fort Lauderdale with sick people.  Like, don't be an asshole.  Sick people need help.  These are people.  Fucking help them, you fucking dick. 

Now, I get why he was freaking out.

https://www.cruisin.me/cruise-ship-tracker/

There's A LOT A LOT of ships parked outside of Port Everglades.  Some are tankers or cargo ships, but a significant number of them are cruise ships.  Lots of ships use this as their home port.  There's only crew on these ships, but their contracts will be up within the next few weeks.  I understand they'll have to get off the ship at that point.  There are sick crew on these ships, and they're being held on certain decks.  Healthy crews delivering meals or picking up trays are required to wear masks on these decks. 

Healthy crews are noticing that there's more and more carts coming through.

Each large cruise ship can easily have 1,000+ crew members.

Oh my God, this is bad.  Bad bad bad.  Even if they put every single crew member from those ships into quarantine in a hotel room for 14 days, I don't think there's that many hotel rooms here.

To make matters worse, lots of these folks come from other countries...some of which have closed their borders to even their own citizens, so they can't get home. 

Oh man, this is bad. 


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 1
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    #26568056 - 03/30/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

We have a blood plasma study starting in houston


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    #26568079 - 03/30/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

This was posted on FB

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I’m a healthy 55 year old male living in NYC. I don’t own a car, I skateboard every day (until 10 days ago) I eat well, I’ve never smoked, I haven’t drank in ten years. I’m on no prescriptions, I don’t have Diabetes/High Blood Pressure, or some of the other ailments associated with my age, and living in the United States. I’ve been hit so fucking hard by this COVID-19, I don’t ever remember being this sick in my life. Today is my 11th day of illness, if my math is correct. I still can’t smell/taste, but the almost 3 days of brutal kidney pain are finally over. The reports are true, the virus is very sneaky, after around the fifth day, I awoke feeling much better. I knew what was coming, so I didn’t expend too much energy, sure enough the second wave was worse than the first. I didn’t leave my bed, except to pee for 4 days. I don’t know why I’ve been it so hard. I had no reason to believe I’d have a weakened immune system. This shit is real, good luck to you and the people you care about out there.

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