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OfflineOrange24
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Finally
    #26565839 - 03/29/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Messed around with 3g’s a couple and felt  like there was a lot
More on the other side waiting for me. Decided to make a tea today, 5 grams, third trip ever. I finally get it now. Come up was intense but I just asked the mushrooms to show me what I needed. Words will always fail when trying to articulate where I went. But it was the deep end of everything I’ve ever felt and more. I can’t wait for my next journey. I’ll probably go 7 grams. But I’ll spend weeks here reflecting on all I just experienced. All I can say is the step up from 3 grams to 5 was like driving 30mph and driving 100mph. At 3 grams everything is serene and beautiful. At five grams the mushrooms say “sit down, I have so much to tell you” that’s how it felt. Like the curtain dropped...


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Re: Finally [Re: Orange24]
    #26565860 - 03/29/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Glad to hear you had a good time. Keep in mind as you dose higher you will hit a point where a higher dose won't necessarily make your trips any more profound. Terence Mckenna recommended 5g of potent mushrooms because he found that to be a sweet spot for hitting ego death with concentration. I concur, but if you find you want to go higher then you should go ahead. You'll know when you've done enough or taken too much. There will be no doubt that you don't want to climb any higher.

Also, I have had a lot of less than potent mushrooms where 5g isn't that strong. Still, if you can find your sweet spot for ego death or whatever you're looking for, it pays to keep in mind that mushrooms can humble you if you're just trying to gun for a higher dose cuz you're the king of tripping. Don't underestimate what these things can do on a high dose.


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Re: Finally [Re: ReynardTheFox]
    #26565871 - 03/29/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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ReynardTheFox said:
Glad to hear you had a good time. Keep in mind as you dose higher you will hit a point where a higher dose won't necessarily make your trips any more profound. Terence Mckenna recommended 5g of potent mushrooms because he found that to be a sweet spot for hitting ego death with concentration. I concur, but if you find you want to go higher then you should go ahead. You'll know when you've done enough or taken too much. There will be no doubt that you don't want to climb any higher.

Also, I have had a lot of less than potent mushrooms where 5g isn't that strong. Still, if you can find your sweet spot for ego death or whatever you're looking for, it pays to keep in mind that mushrooms can humble you if you're just trying to gun for a higher dose cuz you're the king of tripping. Don't underestimate what these things can do on a high dose.







Very good advice. I didn’t experience ego death. I just felt like I got dropped into a dream where there was lesson after lesson coming in

I will say that I doubt 5 grams would ever disappoint I just meant that I didn’t experience ego death. Or whatever that is, not sure what it feels like but I assume once I exp it I definitely will know.


Edited by Orange24 (03/29/20 07:10 PM)


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Re: Finally [Re: Orange24]
    #26566261 - 03/29/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

5 is a great dose imo, definitely one of my favorite trips was on 5g. I've gone up to 7 and it got a little weird but I managed alright. Typically I don't dose over 2-3g anymore but that's because I usually take a little acid first. I really enjoy the synergy.


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Re: Finally [Re: Orange24]
    #26566288 - 03/30/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You could start a real long thread on here asking what ego death actually is; there are so many differing opinions.

Many talk about “ego dissolution” more with mushrooms, though I can confirm I have in the past experiences “ego death” from a high dose of mushrooms.

It’s not the “newbie” panic you can get on the come up; rather, it’s more a convincing argument from the mushrooms that you are actually dying. It can get really traumatic up until the point wher you accept that this time, you have died. Then the trip goes real deep.........

A few weeks back tried some Mazatapec for the first time; I was blasted into hyperspace at an alarming rate, and suffered complete ego dissolution, but without ever feeling scared. I went out of body, but still recognised myself, and never thought I was dead.

I guess you’ll have come close if not 100% ego dissolution from the 5g of golden teachers?

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Re: Finally [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26566295 - 03/30/20 12:31 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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DJ Ed said:
You could start a real long thread on here asking what ego death actually is; there are so many differing opinions.

Many talk about “ego dissolution” more with mushrooms, though I can confirm I have in the past experiences “ego death” from a high dose of mushrooms.

It’s not the “newbie” panic you can get on the come up; rather, it’s more a convincing argument from the mushrooms that you are actually dying. It can get really traumatic up until the point wher you accept that this time, you have died. Then the trip goes real deep.........

A few weeks back tried some Mazatapec for the first time; I was blasted into hyperspace at an alarming rate, and suffered complete ego dissolution, but without ever feeling scared. I went out of body, but still recognised myself, and never thought I was dead.

I guess you’ll have come close if not 100% ego dissolution from the 5g of golden teachers?

❤️
DJ Ed



Quote:

DJ Ed said:
You could start a real long thread on here asking what ego death actually is; there are so many differing opinions.

Many talk about “ego dissolution” more with mushrooms, though I can confirm I have in the past experiences “ego death” from a high dose of mushrooms.

It’s not the “newbie” panic you can get on the come up; rather, it’s more a convincing argument from the mushrooms that you are actually dying. It can get really traumatic up until the point wher you accept that this time, you have died. Then the trip goes real deep.........

A few weeks back tried some Mazatapec for the first time; I was blasted into hyperspace at an alarming rate, and suffered complete ego dissolution, but without ever feeling scared. I went out of body, but still recognised myself, and never thought I was dead.

I guess you’ll have come close if not 100% ego dissolution from the 5g of golden teachers?

❤️
DJ Ed





I felt this minimization of my own self perception and this deep desire to serve the needs of the people around me. I felt and saw all the ways I’m either feeding my ego from day to day or making conscious efforts to dissolve the ego. I never have felt with mushrooms any fear. I suffer from anxiety and depression, sometimes it’s constant and some seasons months go by and I’m fine; but fear or anxiety, even on the come up hasn’t been scary, I just feel excited and breathe through it. I didn’t feel like I died tho, I felt like there were parts of me that were dead but that are now alive. Might have to go to 6g next time.


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Re: Finally [Re: Orange24]
    #26566301 - 03/30/20 12:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

As people have advised, you will find a sweet spot, that is highly personal to you. I don’t feel the need to go high enough for ego death these days, as the ego dissolution aspects are enough for me to self-analyse objectively.

I think my decades of come up anxiety have resulted from going too high too soon, if that makes sense. Your journey sounds much more planned out and sensible.


Thank you for keeping us updated
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Re: Finally [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26566400 - 03/30/20 02:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I disagree about it not getting infinitely deeper with doses over 5 grams. Yeah, the concept of “deeper” kind of falls apart and there’s a plateau where it feels like it can’t get any deeper, but it does. Those little portals/wormholes that open up, they all lead to that same unidentifiable place, that’s somewhere, here, there, nowhere, anywhere? “Proliferation of multiplicity” is a poor descriptive rendering in words but a modest attempt.

If you dose higher, you go deeper, until you can no longer stand. I think some people “black out” sort of automatically as a defense against the enormity. You’re still not standing, though. If you can breath and let go, ecstasies are there to be discovered. It comes in waves, lifts you away like a weightless leaf in autumn before you know what happened.

High doses are no joke and arguably it is a frontier of human experience largely unmapped and untapped. Mushrooms are a technology; for as long as I’ve been doing this (not long, but made many foolish decisions dosing over the last few years) I’m convinced of that. This is real psychodynamic exploration of the stuff under the hood, the circuitry of the mind, the archetypal underpinnings of mind and personality. Our entire phylogenetic history seems to exist in us, like rings read by geologists. If only Freud could actually dive and look at icebergs, eh?

People think this stuff is fun, recreational, but if you go deep enough you understand that you’re dealing with something with more gravity than that. You cannot escape the outright meaningfulness of your own existence, choiceless awareness, crashing down on you like a rogue wave.


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Re: Finally [Re: CountHTML]
    #26566543 - 03/30/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Great post, countHTML.

Even though I don’t go in for ego death anymore, and my doses are generally “recreational” (3.5 to 4.5g), I never think of it as a recreational trip. There is always something useful in a trip, if only it is to reset the brain....


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Re: Finally [Re: CountHTML]
    #26566548 - 03/30/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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CountHTML said:
I disagree about it not getting infinitely deeper with doses over 5 grams. Yeah, the concept of “deeper” kind of falls apart and there’s a plateau where it feels like it can’t get any deeper, but it does. Those little portals/wormholes that open up, they all lead to that same unidentifiable place, that’s somewhere, here, there, nowhere, anywhere? “Proliferation of multiplicity” is a poor descriptive rendering in words but a modest attempt.

If you dose higher, you go deeper, until you can no longer stand. I think some people “black out” sort of automatically as a defense against the enormity. You’re still not standing, though. If you can breath and let go, ecstasies are there to be discovered. It comes in waves, lifts you away like a weightless leaf in autumn before you know what happened.

High doses are no joke and arguably it is a frontier of human experience largely unmapped and untapped. Mushrooms are a technology; for as long as I’ve been doing this (not long, but made many foolish decisions dosing over the last few years) I’m convinced of that. This is real psychodynamic exploration of the stuff under the hood, the circuitry of the mind, the archetypal underpinnings of mind and personality. Our entire phylogenetic history seems to exist in us, like rings read by geologists. If only Freud could actually dive and look at icebergs, eh?

People think this stuff is fun, recreational, but if you go deep enough you understand that you’re dealing with something with more gravity than that. You cannot escape the outright meaningfulness of your own existence, choiceless awareness, crashing down on you like a rogue wave.




I felt like I’d got to a place where I couldn’t stand, if that’s what you meant. My other doses were visually meditating and serene. This was like I was being thrown into the deep end of all my feelings and visiting so many different times in my life, then deriving meaning from those moments. But I had to come down from where I was (overlooking the landscape from pretty high up) and go find a place to lie down comfortable. When I finally got there I lied down and that’s when I dropped in. I mean, i could barely  keep my eyes open. This is when I realized that 5g isn’t necessarily about visuals but about a journey. I felt like at lower doses there wasn’t a journey, it was meaningful, but I didn’t go anywhere if that makes sense.


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Re: Finally [Re: CountHTML]
    #26567439 - 03/30/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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CountHTML said:
I disagree about it not getting infinitely deeper with doses over 5 grams. Yeah, the concept of “deeper” kind of falls apart and there’s a plateau where it feels like it can’t get any deeper, but it does. Those little portals/wormholes that open up, they all lead to that same unidentifiable place, that’s somewhere, here, there, nowhere, anywhere? “Proliferation of multiplicity” is a poor descriptive rendering in words but a modest attempt.

If you dose higher, you go deeper, until you can no longer stand. I think some people “black out” sort of automatically as a defense against the enormity. You’re still not standing, though. If you can breath and let go, ecstasies are there to be discovered. It comes in waves, lifts you away like a weightless leaf in autumn before you know what happened.

High doses are no joke and arguably it is a frontier of human experience largely unmapped and untapped. Mushrooms are a technology; for as long as I’ve been doing this (not long, but made many foolish decisions dosing over the last few years) I’m convinced of that. This is real psychodynamic exploration of the stuff under the hood, the circuitry of the mind, the archetypal underpinnings of mind and personality. Our entire phylogenetic history seems to exist in us, like rings read by geologists. If only Freud could actually dive and look at icebergs, eh?

People think this stuff is fun, recreational, but if you go deep enough you understand that you’re dealing with something with more gravity than that. You cannot escape the outright meaningfulness of your own existence, choiceless awareness, crashing down on you like a rogue wave.




:werd:

The whole metaphor of "ego death" (and it is only a metaphor) is misleading IME.  There is no "death" from any of this. Absence of "ego" is not absence of life.

What I get with higher doses (aside from a whole lot of very interesting other stuff that is) is a reunion with the all-pervasive consciousness of the universe.  Maybe sounds strange, but it happens reliably and repeatedly.  The individual outpost of awareness I tend to call myself just goes missing, but all the other processes of consciousness continue operating, better than before.  This usually points out to me (afterwards) that there are more efficient ways of being than the one that western civilization has somehow latched onto and promulgated.

It becomes rather painfully obvious how one constructs (and constructed) the illusion of superficial self-awareness from bits and pieces of underlying stuff.  And it turns out its not even needed, although most people still clinging to their constructs will argue vehemently in favor of continuing to cling. :laugh2:

FWIW there now exists a resurgence of what's called panpsychism in certain areas of science, beyond philosophy.  It's pretty interesting if you look into it as an explanatory principle of some of the more elusive aspects of mental operation.


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