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dbreeze
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Re: End of Empire [Re: AZZI]
#26570874 - 04/01/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: End of Empire [Re: dbreeze]
#26571128 - 04/01/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I suspect we are all uniformed, & that some data is rather hard to obtain:
How is social distancing working at nuclear power plants .... world wide? How is testing & social distancing working in the armed forces ... world wide? How is testing & social distancing working in the armed forces branches, that deal with nuclear missiles .... world wide? How is social distancing possible in a submarine? esp. a nuclear one? Or on an aircraft carrier? What about the recirculating air on a sub?
What about all the spies world wide in foreign countries?
Seems to me the modern "civilized" world is so complex, and was already quite unstable, so that ............
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DividedQuantum said: The COVID-19 coronavirus has fully exposed the U.S. system. ....Thoughts?
It was pretty exposed already ( animation by Steve Cutts) :
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Not bad.
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Update,
In the triangle of NC, atleast. Hospitals and their sister operations and nursing homes have begun to get an influx of testing kits. (Sadly, the false negatives your hearing about on the news are probably from poorly performed tests - because in large part they require sticking a 6 inch swab up someone’s nose all the way to the back of the nasal passages as close to the mucus membrane as possible so as to get a fresh supply of viral infused mucosa nearest to the lung connected trach). Atleast that’s my take, could be wrong though, but Ive seen it used incorrectly because someone doesn’t want to poke their brains to be sure if they have it or not... i mean cmon...its not that bad ... especially in exchange for knowing your condition!!! 
I haven’t seen all the numbers, just what comes through the health care related emails from the state, the next 3 months still look difficult and things are up in the air as to the course of history, I’m positive in my outlook but am greatly concerned as to the amount of people in Raleigh, Durham, and chapel hill - that are not following the guidelines to with this pandemic ...even though literally everyone has been mailed the protocols... yesterday I went to buy groceries for my family and pick up some prescriptions for a couple of them...Only 3 people in the Harris Teeter wore masks. Out of those 3 , only 1 wore a mask graded enough to be effective at blocking viral bodies that are aerosolized.
I noticed a few weeks ago in a store people wiping things down, and being concerned only about sick people touching things and spreading “germs” or coughing and sneezing , as if those were the main ways that things spread when airborne..
Simply talking or breathing expels a viral load (and the concentration of said load is dependent upon how much time the virus has had to multiply within host cells in the affected ones body).... So.... wear your graded masks people. I wear a n95 respirator and latex gloves ...the masks can be reused by a few methods, look them up. I use hydrogen peroxide solution and a dehydrator and a powder to do so.
Important! Our breath , when we simply breath or when we talk, diffuses into the surrounding air, so in theory and practice, those with a viral load - weather they show symptoms or not - even if they practice the 4-6-8 foot social distancing rule ( which is more to keep people calm and lesson chances by a statistically bleh amount) ...if your not protected you can get sick. Corona can be in you multiplying for up to 2 weeks before symptoms present, all the while one is still spreading infectious fumes. OR you can get it and it can present with symptoms in 48 hours, or anything in between the 2. Also, it can last up to , for some, 30 days. Usually its 10-15 days or less for the non vulnerable. Those at high risk can be ill for longer.
For some it wont matter, you’ll have flu like symptoms and it can suck ass leaving you bedridden or fine but feeling like crap, for others it can cause serious complications leading to a debilitated life, and or death. So if someone your in contact with like family or friends or coworkers have pre existing conditions (look up the ones that are high risk for corona related complications and death) - protect yourself and by doing so the dual purpose is achieved of protecting them too! The lose of beloved ones is the worst fear I have during this time.
I liken some of Asia’s ability to combat this pandemic with their cultural norm of using protective equipment whenever sick. This must have been a major reason for SK and to lesser extent Jps current status. They were them when they get sick or when its flu season, to protect themselves and others. That’s not a practice the West is largely familiar with in practice...lets hope that changes fast.
Careful shroomerites, and dont turn into chaotic plebs, things will work out one way or another. Even though its looking like the rest of 2020 will be dealing with this thing.
Nows a perfect time for people to have a reflective trip on their personal lives, and the surrounding world of our times.
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Edited by The Blind Ass (04/02/20 11:53 PM)
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you do not need that n-95 unless you are working with a patient and are doing something to cause aerosol of virus. for that you also want a shield for your eyes.
otherwise it is 99% surface transmitted - talking and normal breathing is not causing aerosol. so ordinary masks of any kind are ok, especially with social distancing.
THE MAIN REASON to wear a mask is so you do not touch your face.
[covid virus is transferred 99% from a touched surface to your hands and to eyes, nose of mouth - that is what has to be blocked]
wash hands before removing your mask when you get home, because you may have touched surfaces which are 99% of the transmission method for this virus. aerosols not so much.
I you have covid, use a separate bathroom from other family members, or try to get to a place where complete washroom wipedowns are not required after every visit..
if you have difficulty breathing go to the hospital
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Rgv, they do. It’s not a crackpot comment, but I may have come off as alarmist, my bad. It’s not as likely, but is possible in that the physics work out that way, but not like Hollywood movies about viruses, but it happens. I mainly don’t want to get the family I’m hunkered down with sick on accident by 3 of them have direct contact with patients and a1 is high risk, the another over 65.
But thanks for the brakes and fire retardant, what you say holds for the general public (mostly , so far) 
Also, these damn cloud breathing vape people, lmao.
I’m glad it’s not a high mortality rated virus, in that regard, things are looking up. More concerned about my countries pocket book than plague zombies taking over, anywho- it’s going to need some quality attention after this blows over.
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Seeing as how some people don't get symptoms... seeing as how corona viruses are generally known to be airborne, I'm taking everything with a grain of salt for the time being. In the months to come I'm sure we'll get access to clinical studies on all the specifics.
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Re: End of Empire [Re: Rahz] 1
#26592501 - 04/11/20 12:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Empire?..
Don’t worry it’s going in slowly..
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DividedQuantum said: The COVID-19 coronavirus has fully exposed the U.S. system. We’ll never be able to have even the slightest pretension of being any kind of “great” country after this disaster. This is the long-awaited official end of Empire.
Thoughts?
I agree but I believe we've been on the decline for decades now. I think it's something that the rest of the world has noticed and know more than most Americans do. Don't get me wrong, we're still much wealthier than most other countries in the world and many people still see that side of it. The consensus in South America, I've found is that people generally consider the US to be a very dangerous and troubled place BUT it's a rich dangerous and troubled place.
I anticipate that as we become less and less warlike (no matter what communist friends might tell you, we're doing a lot of talking but not a lot of war). As antiquated as the thinking may seem, the fact that we posed a genuine threat to any country who decided to cross us kept much of the world in check. The more that other states realize that we'll never take action against them (Kim family in North Korea, Assad in Syria, Maduro in Venezuela) the less relevant and influential we'll be on the world's stage.
It won't much matter in the near future anyway as I strongly believe that this global depression will compare to what we experienced in the 1920's & 1930's.
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Re: End of Empire [Re: Darwin23] 2
#26592989 - 04/11/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes I share your views. I fully agree that the U.S. has been in decline for a long time. My original point was that, put a different way, I think historians will look back on this coronavirus crisis as the final nail in the coffin. I don't think we were ever going to turn it around, but I think this crisis marks the point at which it will be totally impossible, even in principle, for us to reverse or even mitigate our fate. As I say, not that we were going to.
And I agree that in the next few months a global depression will probably be the result. Very few people are getting real about this. There will be no getting "back to normal."
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That’s because it’s not the same thing as a hurricane, they come and go, but the season stays. Corona virus is a part of modern everyday life now and that’s just how it is. In a couple years there will probably be a vaccine, but that’s not this year.
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many of the unsolved problems we face, are uncontrolled consequences that we placed into motion. we may find artificial means to eventually bring the problems under control, but it seems that they in turn introduce new obstacles of their own.
take the Fukushima disaster cleanup for example, the only solution to averting a complete meltdown disaster is to pump ocean water in and out of the disabled reactor. the ocean water being pumped in and out is of course is contaminating the pacific!
another unsolved problem that remains.
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Absolutely, good point. I think that's the nature of civilization. When you take over and start meddling with an ecosystem, you're typically never able to stop meddling with it trying to bring it back into balance. The U.S. government, for example, specifically the Department of the Interior, does a lot of work protecting endangered species.
In the Colorado River Basin, where there are all sorts of dams, the government does all it can to preserve endangered animals, especially fish species. But when they institute one measure, another unrelated species begins to dominate, and then a different endangered species is in trouble. Then they take a measure for that one, and a particular algae in the river goes out of control, and affects other species, ad infinitum. You get the idea. Long and short of it is that you're totally right.
So this coronavirus crisis is so complex that it will have ripple effects, sort of like a domino effect. And we correct one problem after a lot of money, time and effort, only to find that this has exposed an unrelated imbalance. We'll see what happens, but there are going to be some severe, multifaceted and numerous side effects even from the main economic and social crisis. I guess you could say it's an interesting time to be alive, but all the same, it's really very unfortunate and distressing. We'll just have to see where it all goes, and that will be a protracted, long-term thing.
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DividedQuantum said: The COVID-19 coronavirus has fully exposed the U.S. system. We’ll never be able to have even the slightest pretension of being any kind of “great” country after this disaster. This is the long-awaited official end of Empire.
Thoughts?
There will be a vaccine stat...rich people cant stay rich when poor people don't work. Business as usual...empire...be real...yawn.
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Stat? Do you know how long it takes to develop a vaccine? Just figuring it out, than trials (if step 1 occurs) for safety and side effects, infrastructure to manufacture enough for an entire country’s worth? If I had to guess I would say a few years at best, when dealing with something new. You? Be Realistic now, and don’t post blind, or atleast say if you don’t know.
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Huehuecoyotl said: There will be a vaccine stat...
As the Blind Ass pointed out, that's not an easy or trivial thing...
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rich people cant stay rich when poor people don't work.
And we are seeing their impotence as the illusion of control evaporates...
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You ever seen anything like this before?
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...empire...be real...yawn.
What is it you think I meant?
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DividedQuantum said: The COVID-19 coronavirus has fully exposed the U.S. system. We’ll never be able to have even the slightest pretension of being any kind of “great” country after this disaster. This is the long-awaited official end of Empire.
Thoughts?
i hope you're right.
other than minor inconveniences and worrying about family (more than usual), my life is pretty much the same. i go to work, i eat, i sleep.
when the supply chains really breakdown is when i'll feel it.
but i hope you're right. i don't see much changing out of all of this. in fact, what i see holding more promise/potential in waking people up is how quickly the "wild" has moved back into long-inhabited areas. but then again, there's a reason i live out in the hills.
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The Blind Ass said: Stat? Do you know how long it takes to develop a vaccine? Just figuring it out, than trials (if step 1 occurs) for safety and side effects, infrastructure to manufacture enough for an entire country’s worth? If I had to guess I would say a few years at best, when dealing with something new. You? Be Realistic now, and don’t post blind, or atleast say if you don’t know.
One example...aids is a good example. If it had primarily affected the mainstream a vaccine would have been developed...no one cared that much because most of the people who got it belonged to a disenfranchised group. This virus hits anybody..that means resources will be devoted to it. I also know that a lab in the US was working on vaccines for emerging (read likely to jump from animal to human) corona viruses for the last 6 years, and this very virus was one of their targets. I am a science nerd so I read a lot. If you read about it you will learn a lot about vaccines. You need to identify antibodies that fight the virus by testing people who recovered then create the antibodies for injection. Antibodies are already identified and test for them already being rolled out. Will it happen quick? It will be a few months in my opinion.
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i hope you're right.
other than minor inconveniences and worrying about family (more than usual), my life is pretty much the same. i go to work, i eat, i sleep.
when the supply chains really breakdown is when i'll feel it.
but i hope you're right. i don't see much changing out of all of this. in fact, what i see holding more promise/potential in waking people up is how quickly the "wild" has moved back into long-inhabited areas. but then again, there's a reason i live out in the hills.
The hills sounds like a pretty good place to be right now. But you are right that in the coming weeks, supply chains -- especially for food -- are going to have been stressed to the limit. I've been looking at the media a little bit and there seems to be some implicit suggestion that we'll be able to resume normal activities sooner rather than later, and I just don't see it. Then there are the second and third waves in summer and fall. So, this is bad. Which is to say nothing of the economic crisis itself.
I share your view that, probably, not much will change with the social order as a result of this. It seems like when we read history, events like this led to big changes, at least in the short term. I don't think the wage slaves are going to cry out too much -- their usual paycheck is just too fundamental to them, and they'd like to have back the privilege of getting it and not much more.
And the American public, it would appear, is not sophisticated enough to learn much from this. The notion that the elite absolutely depend on the middle and lower classes, a system that is completely broken, an infrastructure that cannot cope with a crisis, an economy that is artificial and utterly fragile, etc., etc. These notions seem to be too abstract for the average citizen.
I'd like people to "wake up" but I'll believe it when I see it.
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