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OfflineBumbaa
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    #26563945 - 03/28/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys, hope you're all doing well in the quarantine time.

Smoking some weed 25% THC legally bought. Chilling, and I was wondering about the time I was using kratom.

The only reason I used kratom was because I could go into this comfy, warm fuzzy feeling and sleep/be semi aware for hours. Just laying down in my bed was fucking wonderful.

I remember the dosage always had to be the same or else I'd be sick. Nausea sometimes happened, usually after ingestion. I mixed around 5-6G in orange juice in a water bottle and would mix as much as I could, swirl it and just chug it. Just remembering about this makes me gag.

I stopped using kratom a while ago, and I wouldn't use it again due to the fact that it causes slow motility in the bowels. So no thank you for that, also it as an awful taste.

You guys using kratom or used too?


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Re: Kratom [Re: Bumbaa]
    #26563969 - 03/28/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Kratom contains various opiates, opiates have a very particular usage where they are totally safe, and beyond that are largely dangerous.  and imho, antithetical to the essence of psychedelic experience and the natural freedom of the human being.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Bumbaa]
    #26564067 - 03/28/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Occasionally I use kratom for shoulder and nerve pain I experience.  The problem I have with it is its hepatoxicity, so I use it sparingly.  But I think it is a marvelous drug that can be used as an aid for addicts trying to kick opioids, and, given its legal status in the U.S., much easier to come by than ibogaine.  It's a shame that certain government agencies are trying to ban its use.


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Re: Kratom [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26564071 - 03/28/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Strong opinion there my friend.. would you say chronic pain is “antithetical to the natural freedom of the human being”?


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Re: Kratom [Re: FrancoAmerican]
    #26564081 - 03/28/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

And much safer than opioids, relatively speaking, which are passed out like candy by doctors whose patients suffer from chronic pain.  Cannabis is of course a much safer option than either but not everyone has the luxury to smoke it, for various reasons.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Asclepius]
    #26564117 - 03/28/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Different people respond better to different drugs too. It's why options are important.


Weed gives me pretty bad rebound pain.

CBD is okay but not nearly strong enough.


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Re: Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26564179 - 03/28/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

lmao to this thread


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Re: Kratom [Re: The Blind Ass] * 6
    #26564454 - 03/29/20 02:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
Kratom contains various opiates, opiates have a very particular usage where they are totally safe, and beyond that are largely dangerous.  and imho, antithetical to the essence of psychedelic experience and the natural freedom of the human being.




Opiate means poppy derived, opioid refers to anything acting on those receptors. Very important distinction as opioids come in many forms and can vary considerably from opiates.

Opiates are dangerous largely from causing respiratory depression which kratom does not. That is why opiates kill people while kratom is pretty much impossible to OD on.

Kratom can actually go pretty well with psychedelics, have seen a lot of positive reports of people using it with mushrooms. And personally kratom is very cannabis like with wide ranging effects that can get pretty trippy at times.


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Re: Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #26564614 - 03/29/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)


Your information sounds like it came from shroomery posts, ignorance shrouded personal experimentation, and drug-forum.com.

Cmon man...


.  Opiate encompasses naturally occurring substances of the same class from the plant kingdom, not simply a single species of plant.  Ie not just poppies.  Opioids are synthetic.  Hence the difference.

“ very cannabis like”. :datass:

...completely different binding sites and systems.  Yikes, this forum needs some old fashioned skewlin.

I won’t waste anymore time on this, it’s 2020 and relevant and accurate up to date  information is now freely available at your finger tips.

Throw yo-yo ass a bone,

Check ncbi for relevant data on all medical info regarding this topic, it’s the creme de la creme



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Re: Kratom [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26564618 - 03/29/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey man, I don’t think you’re really blind at all...:awenuhuh:


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Re: Kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #26564620 - 03/29/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

He had not long sat facing the wall when the secret transmission neared it’s end,
To whom was the true dharma transmitted?
It was extinguished upon reaching the blind ass!

Hi Aman, long time...no see. :smug: :rofl:


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Re: Kratom [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26564730 - 03/29/20 08:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

The Blind Ass said:
Kratom contains various opiates, opiates have a very particular usage where they are totally safe, and beyond that are largely dangerous.  and imho, antithetical to the essence of psychedelic experience and the natural freedom of the human being.



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Re: Kratom [Re: The Blind Ass] * 7
    #26564853 - 03/29/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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.  Opiate encompasses naturally occurring substances of the same class from the plant kingdom, not simply a single species of plant.  Ie not just poppies.  Opioids are synthetic.  Hence the difference.








That is not correct.

Opioids are NOT exclusively synthetic.

Opiates ARE exclusively from opium poppy.

Thank you, drive thru.

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Re: Kratom [Re: Bumbaa] * 4
    #26564954 - 03/29/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I've been using Kratom more frequently this year.

Like you, I enjoy its ability to put me into a mindset of comfort and enjoyment that is similar to opioids. I sometimes like to take low dosages before going hiking or the gym but mostly take medium sized dosages in the evening and watch a movie. I enjoy that its legal and since I pack it into gel caps its easy to take.

However, the downside is that it negativity effects my sex drive. I definitely have weaker erections and care less about having sex. However, my sex drive is normally so high that it causes problems in my relationship and therefor this is not perhaps wholly negative. In fact, I hypothesize that the effect on my sex drive is perhaps an effect of the anti anxiety properties of kratom. Because I'm normally so sexual is because its the only outlet for me to feel relaxed, however taking kratom I feel relaxed and happy and therefor do not feel such a strong need for sex.

Anyway, I think its a wonder plant, and find it better then drinking or using opioids.

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Re: Kratom [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #26564958 - 03/29/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

kratom contains opioids


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Re: Kratom [Re: sacramentum]
    #26565009 - 03/29/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

True, what I should have said is prescription or illicit opioids.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Grateful Dead]
    #26565060 - 03/29/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hi musiclover :wave:

Good to see your still providing good info around here.

Would not say kratom is almost impossible to od on though. You can still nod out and vomit in your sleep. Not saying it's likely, just that it's possible. Good rule of thumb is to lay on your side when you're on any drugs that could make waking difficult.


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Re: Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
    #26565125 - 03/29/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The nod is not that heavy, you would wake up. There is a strong ceiling effect, meaning taking more at a certain point won't make the effects any stronger

The person who mentioned hepatotoxicity is referencing a study from the 70's that used a small sample of poor laborers from the third world. They often use kratom the morning after drinking excessive rice wine

The truth is we don't know 100% what the impact will be, since we just get hyper partisan politics tangled in the issue. One side says it's no more habit forming than coffee (not exactly true in my experience) and another side doing anything it can to railroad kratom, because what we do know is that it is definitely a safer alternative to traditional opioids, hence the extreme push back coming from high in the government/or Rx muppets as I call them

In my experience, it is very useful and has been used safely for hundreds of years if not thousands.

The downside, it is habit forming if you use daily and will really mess up your sleep if you get dependent. I only ever use it 2-3 times a week max. Even then I have to be really conscious because it does make work easier without tweaking me out like coffee. That alone makes it a little too easy to reach for the kratom everytime I am sore or tired


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Re: Kratom [Re: IntergelacticPal]
    #26565150 - 03/29/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:excuseme::mypoorbrain:


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Re: Kratom [Re: Asclepius] * 1
    #26565452 - 03/29/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Bumbaa said:
I stopped using kratom a while ago, and I wouldn't use it again due to the fact that it causes slow motility in the bowels. So no thank you for that, also it as an awful taste.

You guys using kratom or used too?...






I've been taking 1.5g to 2g twice a day for 7+ years now.

In the 7 years I've been taking it, I have never once experienced any constipation/bowel issues. In fact, kratom seems to keep my bowels moving along just like coffee does. When ever I take my first dose of the day, within 10 to 20 after I have to take a shit just like I do after drinking some coffee.





Quote:

Asclepius said:
....The problem I have with it is its hepatoxicity, so I use it sparingly.





How did you come to the conclusion that kratom is hepatoxic? Is that from your own experience or do you have some proof/studies showing such?

I've been taking it daily for years and have not run into any issues or any signs of hepatoxicity.

I've heard from people that have used kratom for years and get blood work done periodically, and they said all their results are fine and kratom hasn't had any sort of impact in that area.






After 7+ years of taking this leaf daily, I can't say I've experienced any negative symptoms at all. I am mildly physically dependent on it, if I go a day with out taking any I will experience some mild withdrawal symptoms, but it brings benefit to my day so it's worth it for me (I take kratom as a medicine more so than something just to catch a "buzz" on, I've kept my dosage the same since I started taking it over 7 years ago)..I feel like it's improved the health of my skin a bit too.

I honestly feel like this leaf offers health benefits and more beyond that of just a short lasting mild/energetic opioid buzz...There is quite a broad spectrum of all sorts of things contained in the leaf besides the two main opioid alkaloids....in the ways of boosting/strengthening the immune system, containing anti-oxidants, being anti-carcinogenic, just all around being "good" for the body.

I feel like there is A LOT more to plants like cannabis & kratom other than just getting stoned or catching a buzz.





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Re: Kratom [Re: openmind]
    #26565513 - 03/29/20 03:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:rofl:


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Re: Kratom [Re: openmind]
    #26565514 - 03/29/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This is just a case study, but it does seem the jury is still out: https://aasldpubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/hep.27612

I also remember reading other case studies about the hepatoxicity of chronic kratom use.  Even if I am wrong, I'd rather err on the side of caution until there are conclusive answers as it relates to kratom.  Again, I still use it but only sparingly.  I also think the stuff should remain legal.


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Re: Kratom [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26565521 - 03/29/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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:rofl:





You think it's funny because a person who shares their anecdotal experience in the thread corroborates what is clearly your confirmation bias?  Wow, you got me there, man! 😭😂


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Re: Kratom [Re: Asclepius] * 1
    #26565524 - 03/29/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:keyboardwarrior: this is the pub, so i wont even point it out, take this meme instead


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Re: Kratom [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26565529 - 03/29/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:facepalm: :lol:

The problem with that GIF is that I ate Cinnamon Toast Crunch earlier, not Fruit Loops.


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Re: Kratom [Re: The Blind Ass] * 4
    #26565578 - 03/29/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Your information sounds like it came from shroomery posts, ignorance shrouded personal experimentation, and drug-forum.com.

Cmon man...


.  Opiate encompasses naturally occurring substances of the same class from the plant kingdom, not simply a single species of plant.  Ie not just poppies.  Opioids are synthetic.  Hence the difference.

“ very cannabis like”. :datass:

...completely different binding sites and systems.  Yikes, this forum needs some old fashioned skewlin.

I won’t waste anymore time on this, it’s 2020 and relevant and accurate up to date  information is now freely available at your finger tips.

Throw yo-yo ass a bone,

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Opiate is a term classically used in pharmacology to mean a drug derived from opium. Opioid, a more modern term, is used to designate all substances, both natural and synthetic, that bind to opioid receptors in the brain




Quote:

Opiates are alkaloid compounds naturally found in the opium poppy plant Papaver somniferum.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiate

Not sure where you are getting your info from :shrug:

I meant cannabis like in terms of how much the effects vary and effect people differently. Cannabis can vary considerably person to person just like kratom, I wasn't saying they effect the same receptors...

If you are going to be a smug dick about it you should at least verify your facts first :lol:


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Re: Kratom [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26565601 - 03/29/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
Hi musiclover :wave:

Good to see your still providing good info around here.

Would not say kratom is almost impossible to od on though. You can still nod out and vomit in your sleep. Not saying it's likely, just that it's possible. Good rule of thumb is to lay on your side when you're on any drugs that could make waking difficult.




Thanks, hope you've been doing good :cheers:

Yeah in theory it's possible, just like technically you could overdose on cannabis it would just take consuming more then would be feasible. Kratom is easier to overdo it with, but after taking too much once and getting nauseous people tend to be very careful. I tend to get sick way before reaching the point where kratom would make me pass out, but it is different for everyone.

Most people also aren't using kratom at high enough doses to get overly sedated and pass out. And even the people using higher doses generally have tolerances to strong opiates so they might not even feel the effects much.

I think with kratom the biggest danger would be extracts, they could have a worse safety profile and are certainly easier to abuse. But thankfully most people don't bother with them regularly, and it's easy to make your own alcohol resin or something more full spectrum.


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Re: Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #26565604 - 03/29/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

OM - I’m in a similar boat as you and I agree with the views from your post. Well said.

Also, if you have a cold or the flu, Kratom is friggin amazing. It’s kept me working through mild illness that normally would have had me laid up in bed.


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Re: Kratom [Re: FrancoAmerican]
    #26565622 - 03/29/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

To be fair, I think kratom is a marvelous drug.  It's just there is some evidence pointing to the potential of hepatoxicity from its use in some people.  I nevertheless think it should remain legal, and I even use it myself as a pain reliever for nerve damage that I have.  But there are scientific studies that I draw my claims from.  I'm not saying things willy nilly to scare people.  Obviously the jury is still out as there have not been enough studies on kratom, but I always advocate that people err on the side of caution when there are unknowns.


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Re: Kratom [Re: Asclepius]
    #26565670 - 03/29/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I love kratom, i use it very often and its lovely. I hear a lot of people say that all strains are the same but in my experience i only stick to whites because green and red wont do shit to me (even on high  doses!!). Well there was this time when i got this super fire batch of green borneo but thats another Story. Nowdays i only stick to white borneo/maeng da.

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Re: Kratom [Re: ADCC420] * 3
    #26565721 - 03/29/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Kratom is neat because it really seems like an "all purpose" drug in that it can be used in many different situations for different purposes and different effects can be achieved depending on the dosage and batch.


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Re: Kratom [Re: sacramentum] * 1
    #26565972 - 03/29/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I've been using kratom for 6 years. Once a day, 5 days a week tops.  With my usage I can take a week or two off without issue easily.

Hepatoxicity is only a concern to a small subset of the population.

It's an opioid, not an opiate and it doesn't cause respiratory depression.

It's great stimulation for work, or a little larger dose for a relaxing evening or a day off... Much better than alcohol.  It even helped me quit weed.

Double check your facts, don't be a blind ass :wink:


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Re: Kratom [Re: flickedbic]
    #26566218 - 03/29/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

being awake for 22 hrs earlier, I admit to mixing up and writing opiate in place of opioid or ice Versa ,but that’s all.  This threads dead.  Good


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Re: Kratom [Re: sacramentum]
    #26566435 - 03/30/20 03:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Kratom is neat because it really seems like an "all purpose" drug in that it can be used in many different situations for different purposes and different effects can be achieved depending on the dosage and batch.



This is so true. It can help me to stay alert and awake when I’m tired, and it can help me sleep when taken before bed. It took a few years for the later to happen, in the early days there was no sleeping if I took any Kratom within 4 hours before bed.


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Re: Kratom [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #26567652 - 03/30/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Kratom is neat because it really seems like an "all purpose" drug in that it can be used in many different situations for different purposes and different effects can be achieved depending on the dosage and batch.



This is so true. It can help me to stay alert and awake when I’m tired, and it can help me sleep when taken before bed. It took a few years for the later to happen, in the early days there was no sleeping if I took any Kratom within 4 hours before bed.




I'm still in the 3-4 hours before bed boat, even sedating red viens tend to still be too mentally stimulating until the comedown.

If timed right though kratom makes me sleep like a baby, which is immensely helpful as I've had insomnia for years and had a very unsteady sleeping schedule before kratom.

Kratom can make working a breeze, as well as help to relax and unwind. It really does have an incredible range of uses. Even has anti inflammatory effects so not only does it help with pain but it can help reduce issues around pain.

Truly is an incredibly medicinal plant when used responsibly. Definitely habit forming/addictive but it varies so much person to person, I've been a daily user on and off for years and managed to stick with the same 1.5g dose indefinitely. Little to no tolerance issues as long as I wait 3-4 hours between doses. Last time I took a break it was surprisingly easy, I have a harder time taking a break from cannabis and caffeine generally.


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Re: Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #26567793 - 03/30/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The only issue I take with generally safe is it assumes responsible use. I remember some users here were using kratom to nod out with.

I'm with the "it just makes me sick and miserable" crowd when I do too much but indeed not everyone feels it the same. Obviously the people taking it in high enough doses to pleasantly nod out either don't experience that or consider it worth it. Or have drugs that can counter that effect.


What about alcohol resin? You can do that without stripping alkaloids?


I don't remember if it affected my sleep when I first started taking it but I already had insomnia. Now if I take more than normal doses I'll be up most of the night. But the reason I take it means it was really only a choice between staying up all night because of pain or staying up all night because of kratom. At least with the latter I can rest and relax.


It did exacerbate my acid reflux but that's gone down with better diet and getting my anxiety more under control.


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Re: Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26567946 - 03/30/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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What about alcohol resin? You can do that without stripping alkaloids?






Yes, ethanol/Water combination will grab you a decent spectrum of alkaloids

I would shoot for fine crystalline powder over resin if you have stomach issues, resin still has a lot of plant wax


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Re: Kratom [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26568134 - 03/30/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Kratom contains various opiates





Kratom is an opioid, not an opiate.


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