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The Blind Ass
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Asclepius
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This is just a case study, but it does seem the jury is still out: https://aasldpubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/hep.27612
I also remember reading other case studies about the hepatoxicity of chronic kratom use. Even if I am wrong, I'd rather err on the side of caution until there are conclusive answers as it relates to kratom. Again, I still use it but only sparingly. I also think the stuff should remain legal.
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Asclepius
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You think it's funny because a person who shares their anecdotal experience in the thread corroborates what is clearly your confirmation bias? Wow, you got me there, man! 😭😂
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The Blind Ass
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this is the pub, so i wont even point it out, take this meme instead
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Asclepius
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The problem with that GIF is that I ate Cinnamon Toast Crunch earlier, not Fruit Loops.
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Your information sounds like it came from shroomery posts, ignorance shrouded personal experimentation, and drug-forum.com.
Cmon man...
. Opiate encompasses naturally occurring substances of the same class from the plant kingdom, not simply a single species of plant. Ie not just poppies. Opioids are synthetic. Hence the difference.
“ very cannabis like”. 
...completely different binding sites and systems. Yikes, this forum needs some old fashioned skewlin.
I won’t waste anymore time on this, it’s 2020 and relevant and accurate up to date information is now freely available at your finger tips.
Throw yo-yo ass a bone,
Check ncbi for relevant data on all medical info regarding this topic, it’s the creme de la creme
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Opiate is a term classically used in pharmacology to mean a drug derived from opium. Opioid, a more modern term, is used to designate all substances, both natural and synthetic, that bind to opioid receptors in the brain
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Opiates are alkaloid compounds naturally found in the opium poppy plant Papaver somniferum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiate
Not sure where you are getting your info from 
I meant cannabis like in terms of how much the effects vary and effect people differently. Cannabis can vary considerably person to person just like kratom, I wasn't saying they effect the same receptors...
If you are going to be a smug dick about it you should at least verify your facts first
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CookieCrumbs said: Hi musiclover 
Good to see your still providing good info around here.
Would not say kratom is almost impossible to od on though. You can still nod out and vomit in your sleep. Not saying it's likely, just that it's possible. Good rule of thumb is to lay on your side when you're on any drugs that could make waking difficult.
Thanks, hope you've been doing good
Yeah in theory it's possible, just like technically you could overdose on cannabis it would just take consuming more then would be feasible. Kratom is easier to overdo it with, but after taking too much once and getting nauseous people tend to be very careful. I tend to get sick way before reaching the point where kratom would make me pass out, but it is different for everyone.
Most people also aren't using kratom at high enough doses to get overly sedated and pass out. And even the people using higher doses generally have tolerances to strong opiates so they might not even feel the effects much.
I think with kratom the biggest danger would be extracts, they could have a worse safety profile and are certainly easier to abuse. But thankfully most people don't bother with them regularly, and it's easy to make your own alcohol resin or something more full spectrum.
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OM - I’m in a similar boat as you and I agree with the views from your post. Well said.
Also, if you have a cold or the flu, Kratom is friggin amazing. It’s kept me working through mild illness that normally would have had me laid up in bed.
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To be fair, I think kratom is a marvelous drug. It's just there is some evidence pointing to the potential of hepatoxicity from its use in some people. I nevertheless think it should remain legal, and I even use it myself as a pain reliever for nerve damage that I have. But there are scientific studies that I draw my claims from. I'm not saying things willy nilly to scare people. Obviously the jury is still out as there have not been enough studies on kratom, but I always advocate that people err on the side of caution when there are unknowns.
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I love kratom, i use it very often and its lovely. I hear a lot of people say that all strains are the same but in my experience i only stick to whites because green and red wont do shit to me (even on high doses!!). Well there was this time when i got this super fire batch of green borneo but thats another Story. Nowdays i only stick to white borneo/maeng da.
The first dose in the morning its the best
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Kratom is neat because it really seems like an "all purpose" drug in that it can be used in many different situations for different purposes and different effects can be achieved depending on the dosage and batch.
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I've been using kratom for 6 years. Once a day, 5 days a week tops. With my usage I can take a week or two off without issue easily.
Hepatoxicity is only a concern to a small subset of the population.
It's an opioid, not an opiate and it doesn't cause respiratory depression.
It's great stimulation for work, or a little larger dose for a relaxing evening or a day off... Much better than alcohol. It even helped me quit weed.
Double check your facts, don't be a blind ass
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being awake for 22 hrs earlier, I admit to mixing up and writing opiate in place of opioid or ice Versa ,but that’s all. This threads dead. Good
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sacramentum said: Kratom is neat because it really seems like an "all purpose" drug in that it can be used in many different situations for different purposes and different effects can be achieved depending on the dosage and batch.
This is so true. It can help me to stay alert and awake when I’m tired, and it can help me sleep when taken before bed. It took a few years for the later to happen, in the early days there was no sleeping if I took any Kratom within 4 hours before bed.
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sacramentum said: Kratom is neat because it really seems like an "all purpose" drug in that it can be used in many different situations for different purposes and different effects can be achieved depending on the dosage and batch.
This is so true. It can help me to stay alert and awake when I’m tired, and it can help me sleep when taken before bed. It took a few years for the later to happen, in the early days there was no sleeping if I took any Kratom within 4 hours before bed.
I'm still in the 3-4 hours before bed boat, even sedating red viens tend to still be too mentally stimulating until the comedown.
If timed right though kratom makes me sleep like a baby, which is immensely helpful as I've had insomnia for years and had a very unsteady sleeping schedule before kratom.
Kratom can make working a breeze, as well as help to relax and unwind. It really does have an incredible range of uses. Even has anti inflammatory effects so not only does it help with pain but it can help reduce issues around pain.
Truly is an incredibly medicinal plant when used responsibly. Definitely habit forming/addictive but it varies so much person to person, I've been a daily user on and off for years and managed to stick with the same 1.5g dose indefinitely. Little to no tolerance issues as long as I wait 3-4 hours between doses. Last time I took a break it was surprisingly easy, I have a harder time taking a break from cannabis and caffeine generally.
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The only issue I take with generally safe is it assumes responsible use. I remember some users here were using kratom to nod out with.
I'm with the "it just makes me sick and miserable" crowd when I do too much but indeed not everyone feels it the same. Obviously the people taking it in high enough doses to pleasantly nod out either don't experience that or consider it worth it. Or have drugs that can counter that effect.
What about alcohol resin? You can do that without stripping alkaloids?
I don't remember if it affected my sleep when I first started taking it but I already had insomnia. Now if I take more than normal doses I'll be up most of the night. But the reason I take it means it was really only a choice between staying up all night because of pain or staying up all night because of kratom. At least with the latter I can rest and relax.
It did exacerbate my acid reflux but that's gone down with better diet and getting my anxiety more under control.
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What about alcohol resin? You can do that without stripping alkaloids?
Yes, ethanol/Water combination will grab you a decent spectrum of alkaloids
I would shoot for fine crystalline powder over resin if you have stomach issues, resin still has a lot of plant wax
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The Blind Ass said: Kratom contains various opiates
Kratom is an opioid, not an opiate.
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