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OfflineAZZI
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Non-resistance
    #26563843 - 03/28/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Such a powerful thing.. 

'If you resist, it persists',

The New Age saying goes, and it's klatchy,...

Some truth though.

Perhaps better to say it positively.

Then of course, there's giving in which is different.


Thoughts?


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Re: Non-resistance [Re: AZZI]
    #26563893 - 03/28/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

AZZI said:
Such a powerful thing.. 

'If you resist, it persists',

The New Age saying goes, and it's klatchy,...

Some truth though.

Perhaps better to say it positively.

Then of course, there's giving in which is different.


Thoughts?



How is giving in different? Do you mean giving in involves a conscious effort to not resist?

Sometimes it does takes a lot of effort to not resist though. Maybe effort is the wrong word, more like awareness.  A lot of resistance is subconscious.


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Re: Non-resistance [Re: AZZI]
    #26564016 - 03/28/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Depends on how you're defining "resist". In terms of your own emotions like grief and shame, yeah, absolutely. In regards to being harmed by someone else, I think it's the inverse.


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Re: Non-resistance [Re: AZZI] * 1
    #26564030 - 03/28/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What could be more futile, more insane, than to create inner resistance to what already is? What could be more insane than to oppose life itself, which is now and always now? Surrender to what is. Say “yes” to life — and see how life suddenly starts working for you rather than against you.

- Eckhart Tolle

Resistance is the root of all suffering imho. Fear, anger, sadness, grief, longing, pretty much all emotional pain stems from wanting things to be other than they are right now, were in the past, or might be in the future. Non-resistance means being absolutely okay with everything as it is. From that position, there can be no suffering. Everything is just fine. It's easier said than done though, hence why some people spend their entire lives trying to master meditation etc. In my experience, life has a funny way of making me repeatedly face up to those things I inwardly resist, until I learn the lesson. In the East, they call it Karma.

It's important not to conflate an inner state of mind with outer action though. You can still take action and be in a state of acceptance inwardly.


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Re: Non-resistance [Re: dk-1]
    #26564068 - 03/28/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ah giving in is like, you actively give in to something.

As opposed to, not letting affect you but also, not-resisting.

By not fighting it, you can overcome it.


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Re: Non-resistance [Re: AZZI]
    #26564069 - 03/28/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Tolle is a troll.

No offense but very bad vibes there.


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Re: Non-resistance [Re: Darwin23]
    #26564073 - 03/28/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Darwin23 said:
Depends on how you're defining "resist". In terms of your own emotions like grief and shame, yeah, absolutely. In regards to being harmed by someone else, I think it's the inverse.




Hi bro,

Actually I have an inverse view. I am talking about external, rather than internal.

Internal life is pretty simple. Love, unify your energy.

If you are unified, then that's basically all there is to it.

It does require some work but it's very simple.

It's an infinite ascent or progression as well.

But -- again, that's not really my topic at all.

Love,
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Re: Non-resistance [Re: AZZI]
    #26564079 - 03/28/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Consider a fight with someone on the internet.

I'm just gonna throw this out there, it seems that our forum is the best place in this regard; the furthest evolved.

But it used to be a thing.


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Re: Non-resistance [Re: AZZI]
    #26564080 - 03/28/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Please don't spam, AZZI.


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Re: Non-resistance [Re: AZZI] * 1
    #26564218 - 03/28/20 09:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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AZZI said:
Tolle is a troll.

No offense but very bad vibes there.





Never thought I’d live to see the day Eckart Tolle gets called a troll.


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Re: Non-resistance [Re: Yellow Pants] * 1
    #26564461 - 03/29/20 02:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Resistance is attachment to something which is where one runs into trouble. I’m not sure to what extent this applies beyond ones own personal psychology. If non attachment is the closest we can get to freedom, well, it sounds good on paper; but I think most of us can feel some level of the wrongness of not forming meaningful bonds or attachments to our families or other loved ones.

Of course we mourn, we grieve, we cherish.

Only compromise I’ve found is to grasp life lightly. We’re always negotiating with ourselves and reality more broadly, resisting, letting go, gaining and losing. There is always a balance in the middle, but that point of balance is not the same today as it was yesterday or will be in one-hundred years. It changes across circumstances, whether your predator or prey, short or tall, warm loving or cold. This is represented in symbols like the yin yang and existing in that state of balance of “right thought, right action” is by all means enlightenment and effortless flow with what is.

There is value in approaching life as the artist, trying out different personas, exploring different games and social cliques and hierarchies, just playing. I have yet to see anything credible or sufficiently persuasive to convince me that life is not innately playful, at least on some level.


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Re: Non-resistance [Re: CountHTML]
    #26565044 - 03/29/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

if you resist it persists is just about mind traps:
and that includes loops and dreamed up monsters.

in each of those cases, association between mental objects is the mechanism that affects the person:
1)---------------object arises with negative feeling
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2)------resist------------------------------------relax
3)--effort is added----------------------------nothing is added
----to the looping or fearful------------------what arose subsides
----complex, subsidence is temporary--------subsidence continues
4)--person notices resistance----------------no resistance
5)--association to fear or loop--------------no associative trigger
----is retriggered (go back to 1, above)-----no feedback to loop or fear



this is the logical associative mechanics for loop management or monster resistance management - indispensable understanding for trippers.


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