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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: Mneeb] * 4
    #26560081 - 03/26/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I mean you can get indignant about pipelines without having any native blood. Especially the part about shooting tear gas and water canons at peaceful protesters.

It's disgraceful that we're still treating these people like this.


They kinda became our people and our responsibility thanks to the shitty actions and broken promises of our ancestors. It became our responsibility to see that they're making out as best they can. Not only are we failing miserably at that... we're also continuing to rub salt in the wounds.


Again you can be proud of your heritage, I think that's great, but how you word things does have implications.



I bought a knife from a fellow that was created "the old way" with a deer antler, flint, and artificial sinew as a gift for my brother. I mentioned growing up with our native american culture sprinkled into our life lessons. He said "oh yeah? what tribe?" I said Powhatan, condensed into the Pamunkey tribe now (as that's the land the government was willing to concede for the reservation.) He told me most people tell him they're Cherokee.

...Yeah that's probably the only tribe they can name. :undecided:

Apparently claiming a native American ancestor is a way to cover up a mixed ancestor. I imagine in some circles marrying a native woman would have been viewed in a better light than marrying a black woman.


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: HamHead] * 2
    #26560086 - 03/26/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You have to see if they know the secret handshake.


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: HamHead]
    #26560132 - 03/26/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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HamHead said:
Well, my great, great grand mother was part of so-and-so tribe, so I'm a native American.

:badtrip:

I would like to call people out on some BS claims but don't want to offend anyone.

Is this OTD type stuff?





I've noticed this as well.  What's more irritating is that every person I've met who is "part Native American" -- usually white people -- are descendants of "Cherokee royalty."  What's amazing is that I've met dozens of these people in my lifetime, literally dozens, and all these descendants of "Royal Cherokees" live in the same town.  It's egregious to say the least. ๐Ÿ˜‚


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26560143 - 03/26/20 09:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
It's disgraceful that we're still treating these people like this.

They kinda became our people and our responsibility thanks to the shitty actions and broken promises of our ancestors. It became our responsibility to see that they're making out as best they can. Not only are we failing miserably at that... we're also continuing to rub salt in the wounds.





Hold up there patna!
I didn't do shit, don't lump me up in this "our/we" business!:crankey:


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: Fleabag Friend]
    #26560147 - 03/26/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Fine. Our leaders and our media and our social justice warriors and our general culture.


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
    #26560151 - 03/26/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

:awedance:

HA! Now I'm alleviated of all responsibility. Back to my life of over-consumption!
Why are gas prices so high? I need to drive my gas guzzling SUV to get more ding dongs from walmart an hour away. Wheres that new pipeline?? :crankey:


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: HamHead] * 3
    #26560155 - 03/26/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

My father tried to pursue Native heritage in our bloodline
found an old picture of a great grandmother or something who was visibly of First Nations descent, but who could not be found in official records before the marriage
think he only ever really pursued it because he wanted to try to qualify for treaty rights
to claim he had done me a favour in getting coverage for my schooling that he went back on his offer to pay for

it's pretty likely due to tracing back on my father's father's side into early French Canadian settlers
who considered the First Nations "like brothers" and frequently intermarried
while the English (who would ultimately colour what post-colonial treatment meant) had more of a disdain and a view of First Nations as being lesser humans, like people in all the colonized English lands

it's fun to piss on English culture
knowing that my father's mother is from a very anglo-saxon background in service to the Queen (one of her grandfathers only possessions in coming over to Canada was a homemade box he used to transport his stuff--it is stamped with something like the royal stable-hand authorization)
but she performed the cultural taboo of marrying a Frenchman and doing her best to speak to his family in French
:cookiemonster:

kind of want a DNA test or something to put it to rest
also to find out just how Celtic and/or Bretonnian my bloodline actually is
but to mainly know if it would be rewarding to try to more closely engage with Mรฉtis culture (which is big in Manitoba) through role of a participant
or merely a respectful observer



also, Mรฉtis don't have treaty rights
so it is more about the interest in a perpetuation of a traditional culture tied to the land around me
than qualifying for particular forms of governmental treatment


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26560201 - 03/26/20 10:44 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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it's pretty likely due to tracing back on my father's father's side into early French Canadian settlers
who considered the First Nations "like brothers" and frequently intermarried





probably most tribal members in ontario and manitoba have european ancestry from the early french canadian fur trappers. reversely i see the remnants of the tribes in most of the "white" people i have met from that region. i see it everywhere. pics of pubbers. a lot of you guys from the toronto area


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26560204 - 03/26/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

also, just for sake of fair is fair
do not think that having Mรฉtis bloodline is necessary to be able to respect the land around me
and already attempt to do so in my witchy way
with the most religiostic practice being an honoring of the named goddess energy Sirona from Celtic traditions in ancient France
as she is the goddess of healing springs
and my home is adjacent to a nature-preserve marshland
fed by an artesian spring -- ie: the healing goddesses domain

but Mรฉtis culture is preserving traditions of people who lived in this area for generations
who rode the rivers as highways and traded in the furs of the animals living in the region
so there is more of an interconnected understanding of the lands of Manitoba that are not so directly available to me
as an "outsider"

this is not to say my disdain is total for Modern Western culture either
am immensely grateful that the government has recognized the importance of the marshlands and made them into a protected area
but it is managed and reconstructed wetlands precisely because a lack of understanding of their importance to the ecosystem facillitated the destruction and conversion into agricultural land in the first place
and the knowledge and understanding of wetlands importance had to be rediscovered through scientific advancements
instead of being respected as part of the larger whole all along

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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26560210 - 03/26/20 10:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I used to hangout at a native cemetery everyday.

Laying in the grass watching the water/sunsets.

All of the graves are from 1800s


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: watermelon mon] * 2
    #26560215 - 03/26/20 11:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

There was a pretty big war there.

A lot of dark history.


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: MadMuncher] * 1
    #26560222 - 03/26/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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MadMuncher said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:

it's pretty likely due to tracing back on my father's father's side into early French Canadian settlers
who considered the First Nations "like brothers" and frequently intermarried





probably most tribal members in ontario and manitoba have european ancestry from the early french canadian fur trappers including my family. reversely i see the remnants of the tribes in most of the "white" people i have met from that region. i see it everywhere. pics of pubbers. a lot of you guys from the toronto area look a lot like me and my siblings we are mutts. i wish i could go live on the rez but its a swampy shithole. my wifes tribe has better land because white people havnt been there long and they havnt got around to destroying everything yet but theyre working on it




have heard similiar sentiment from people over the years
and there was a fairly innocent point in my life all the way up to about 13-14 that I didn't even think of or recognize anything as being different
would flirt with girls from different tribes in Manitoba who would do their schoolyear in Winnipeg
then fly back up North for the summer and stuff
and it took me a long-ass time to figure out why people would mistreat me for it =/
then got really exposed in high school in Saskatchewan to a lot racism
including being taunted for being Mรฉtis (on account of French last name, and maybe appearance?) along with other kids of French background

it's fucked how there is still this active sentiment of discrimination as well
remember when living in Saskatoon encountering anti-Native graffiti on downtown buildings and carved into park benches and shit

and yeah, do not want to get too much into discussion of it because it is hard to tackle without unjustly painting First Nations as being predisposed to gang violence
but am aware of even further sentiments that living poor and without the government money in violent city settings
is actually preferable to the conditions one would be subject to by commiting to being on the rez
and Vice did a relatively respectful look into Winnipegs gang culture and how people are trying to empower traditional First Nations identity among the means to mitigate it


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: Tantrika]
    #26560231 - 03/26/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

And I mean this is the nicest way.



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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26560886 - 03/27/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

For me, you need three things for me to consider someone Native American.

1) You gotta know the exact tribe and area your people came from.

2) You gotta know what side of the family your Native blood comes from (Great Grandpa, Great Grandma, etc)

3) You gotta have a government ID that states you are Native American.

Its that simple. Cheers, to the First Nations Native Peoples! :cheers:


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26561205 - 03/27/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

for me they must
answer with their eyebrows
point with their chin
call all their cousins their brothers and sisters
threaten to have their sister beat your ass
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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: cronicr]
    #26561238 - 03/27/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Natives of all continents trembled in fear when my ancestors arrived to steal their riches in these



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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: Tripsurfer] * 1
    #26561277 - 03/27/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

no actually most of them came to the shore and showered the ships in spears and arrows everytime they tried to stop for water and damn near killed them all on several occasions. the spanish had to drink salt water and entire ships were on the verge of death. every time they went ashore they got their ass kicked for the first few decades. prevented the spanish accessing the mainland for several years in modern florida, louisanna, mississippi, texas, mexico, etc.

many of the island tribes came out peacefully to trade and the spanish treated them deplorable. disgusting. that makes you smile inside you are sick.

some spaniards actually chose to abandon everything and live in tribal societies in the caribbean, and were exterminated with the natives by later spanish murderers.

not that you care. your attitude is sadistic.
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the ignorance here is astounding. your teachers failed fuck

you are correct that they fucked up the entire world. i see you gloating and i feel like shitting on your face


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: cronicr]
    #26561280 - 03/27/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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for me they must
answer with their eyebrows
point with their chin
call all their cousins their brothers and sisters
threaten to have their sister beat your ass
and love fried bologna




+5 ๐Ÿ’–

you forgot the part with the mayonaisse on the toast


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: MadMuncher] * 2
    #26561289 - 03/27/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It donโ€™t matter now brother these lands belong to u and ur fam always have God Bless yโ€™all! :heart:


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Re: How to determine if someone is 'native american' [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26561293 - 03/27/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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MadMuncher said:
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cronicr said:
for me they must
answer with their eyebrows
point with their chin
call all their cousins their brothers and sisters
threaten to have their sister beat your ass
and love fried bologna




+5 ๐Ÿ’–

you forgot the part with the mayonaisse on the toast



haha yep!


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