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P. Somniferum, When to Cull Seedlings?
    #26560992 - 03/27/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Title sort of states it all.

On year two of doing Hen's and Chick's. Last year was buckets and they did not do too well. This year I have a dedicated garden that gets full sun and I have 50+ seedlings sprouting already.

Per the usual, my seed dropping technique is crappy so I have clumps of seedlings in area and will need to cull them down. Two questions, at what height/age should I cull them and what is the spacing supposed to be? I think 6inc apart but possibly more, I forget.

TYIA for all answers. I have def researched this before but have forgotten since last year.


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Re: P. Somniferum, When to Cull Seedlings? [Re: IgnorantOne]
    #26561258 - 03/27/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just a heads up, there's a thread we have going specifically for poppies, check it out>>>

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Once the seedlings have a few sets of leaves I'll start to thin them out.

I don't thin out everything at once, but I do so over a 2 to 3 week period while they are small seedlings before they start to bolt and grow rapidly...I'll cull & thin out the plot/patch a little bit ever other day or so. I do it this way because I grow them in the ground and the young plants are susceptible to damage from all sorts of random things (insects, my dogs, slugs/snails, neighbors chickens, heavy rain/hail the weather, etc etc etc)...

...so I don't want to thin out everything at once just in case some of them are damaged/killed by other things I want to leave as many as I can in place until they start to bolt (if that makes sense, I'm kinda stoned & sleepy at the moment and don't know how to convey what I'm trying to say lol). That's just what I do though, not necessarily "the way" to do it.

Basically...once they have a set of true leaves it's fine to start to thin them out.

But shortly before they start to bolt and grow up rapidly, I'll do a final and thorough thinning and make sure they are spaced apart sufficiently.

As far as spacing goes....From what I gather, 8 inches minimum, 12 inches is ideal.

This is only my 2nd time around growing this plant. Last year the few I grew were a bit crowded...and the patch I have growing this year is also a bit crowded, some are only spaced about 6 inches, but they're growing up just fine.




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Re: P. Somniferum, When to Cull Seedlings? [Re: openmind]
    #26561279 - 03/27/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ty for your thoughtful and informative reply, I understood what you were saying lol. You have confirmed my thoughts, thank you again.

They are in a freshly turned garden so I am out there every few days to rip out weeds/grass that survived the soil turn.

So, just to make sure I am clear, wait until I start seeing the "lettuce" leaves appear, then put at least 8 inches between each seedling?

Side question: I make tea out of them, should I keep the whole plant and just shred it all or just the top 6-8 inches? I know goodies are throughout the plant but the type and amount of alkaloids change as you go down the plant.


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Re: P. Somniferum, When to Cull Seedlings? [Re: IgnorantOne] * 1
    #26561341 - 03/27/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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IgnorantOne said:
Ty for your thoughtful and informative reply, I understood what you were saying lol. You have confirmed my thoughts, thank you again.

They are in a freshly turned garden so I am out there every few days to rip out weeds/grass that survived the soil turn.

So, just to make sure I am clear, wait until I start seeing the "lettuce" leaves appear, then put at least 8 inches between each seedling?

Side question: I make tea out of them, should I keep the whole plant and just shred it all or just the top 6-8 inches? I know goodies are throughout the plant but the type and amount of alkaloids change as you go down the plant.













If there's a bunch of baby seedlings clumped together in bunches, like in the 2nd pic from the left, I'll give them a pinch to cull & thin them out even when they still have their cotyledons.

But I mostly wait until they have a set or two of true leaves, like the 3rd pic from the left.

I don't think you have to wait at all really, you can start to thin them out as soon as they've germinated.



About using the whole plant or just the top/pods...That's something I've wondered about as well. I don't have a lot of experience working with this plant yet so I can't answer. I make tea as well, and when I did it last year I used the pod and about 8 to 10 inches of the stalk connected to the pod.

I've considered doing two "batches"...one with the pods/top of the stalks, and one with the foliage & rest of the plant. Mostly out of curiosity, just to see if the rest of the plant has a different alkaloid profile/feel to it.




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Re: P. Somniferum, When to Cull Seedlings? [Re: openmind]
    #26561376 - 03/27/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Heard.

Wish I could grow enough to experiment with. Probably going to do two batches like you have suggested. Try one, then the other, and then mix them if it seems wise.


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Re: P. Somniferum, When to Cull Seedlings? [Re: IgnorantOne]
    #26561483 - 03/27/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have never thinned mine. I just let them do their thing.


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Re: P. Somniferum, When to Cull Seedlings? [Re: Allium]
    #26561561 - 03/27/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have read that a lack of space adversely effects pod size/plant size.


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Re: P. Somniferum, When to Cull Seedlings? [Re: IgnorantOne] * 1
    #26561620 - 03/27/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah it does.

I just always grew out so many that it was impossible to cull anything, haha!

This year I did some in pots, so I can space them, and see what happens.

I still have a ton that I just tossed in the flowerbed though.

Last year, I din't thin, and I still got huge blooms ,and multi podded plants though, so it's no exactly that necessary,


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Re: P. Somniferum, When to Cull Seedlings? [Re: Allium]
    #26561711 - 03/27/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That is rather interesting. I may start a third flower bed to test your process lol


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Re: P. Somniferum, When to Cull Seedlings? [Re: IgnorantOne] * 1
    #26561753 - 03/27/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Here is what you get when you don't thin them.

I see nothing wrong with this picture at all :wink:

I'm not saying not to do it, but it becomes an impossible chore for those of us who grow out many thousands of seeds.



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Re: P. Somniferum, When to Cull Seedlings? [Re: Allium]
    #26565275 - 03/29/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

i love how round those pods are


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