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DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly
    #26560438 - 03/27/20 03:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

About 6 months back I tried my first psilocybe mushrooms in one of the hill stations in India and I had an incredible experience with just 6 fresh mushrooms ( about an inch long). Since I had got about 30 mushrooms from the dealer, I dried the remaining for about 3 days and kept it in a mason Jar. When I eventually consumed the remaining 24 mushrooms after 3 weeks( I wanted to go next level hence increased the dosage), I had a panic attack for the 2 hours.It felt I couldn't breath and had to force myself to breath heavily. No hallucinations or tripping whatsoever. I felt sick. After about 2 hours, it went away and I became cheerful and laughing crazily at some sitcom jokes and everything came back to normal. I've never had a anxiety/panic attach in my life until that point. I am not even sure if its panic attack. I was not thinking anything bad or it was not psycological. The uneasiness was purely physical. The only reason I didn't run to hospital was because I had done enough research and was 100% sure that this was not going to harm or kill me. I was confused as to why there was so much difference between fresh and dried mushrooms hence lurked around the internet but couldn't find any answer. I concluded that I must've done something wrong in the drying process.

Very recently I met the same dealer again and he offered me dried mushrooms since fresh ones are available only during october-november. The ones he offered looked more clean than the ones I had dried. So I took a plunge and consumed about 8 dried mushrooms(not grams, It was less than 2 dried grams). Panic attack kicked in again for 2 hours. after 2 hours the shortness of breath stopped and hallucinations started however it was not as clean/intense/indredible as the first I tried with the fresh mushrooms. the first time , It was incredible. I had no nausea, no uneasiness, no high, just clean incredible visuals and was laughing till my stomach pained. Consuming dried mushrooms are the preferred way for the rest of the world but I don't know why I feel this way when the mushrooms are dried. I've attached a pic of what I tried. These are grown abundantly when there is rain(october/november) in a particular location in India.



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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: Lx574574]
    #26560547 - 03/27/20 05:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hi there! I'm sorry that happened to you :frown:

I'm not too experienced with psychedelics (have only tripped like 4 times), but what you describe does sound like acute anxiety/panic. Panic attacks can be purely physical, although it's true that there are usually negative thoughts associated (such as fear of going crazy, dying, etc.). It also makes sense that you experienced that panic again, since when we've had a panic attack, the smallest sign that reminds us of it is likely to trigger another one.

As far as I know, psychedelics can produce very different experiences, even from the same batch, depending on your state of mind, what's going on in your life, your setting, etc., so I don't think the problem was the dry mushrooms. However, take this with a grain of salt, because as I said I'm no expert and maybe some contaminants can cause the effects you experienced.

I suggest you put your energy into grounding yourself, through exercise, healthy diet, being in nature, having a healthy routine, etc., without substances until you feel more grounded :smile:


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26560578 - 03/27/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

How did you dry the mushrooms? Are the pictures mushrooms the "dried" ones he gave you? They don't look dry to me. Depending on process you may have bacteria as well as loss in potency. Stomach upset from the bacteria and a low dose keeping the come up long and uncomfortable can induce anxiety.


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: Lx574574] * 1
    #26560615 - 03/27/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

First trips are usually really nice.

Getting used to the headspace isnt an easy journey. Breathing exercises can take you from feeling bad to feeling better than ever.

The more you take shrooms the more you get to look past the veil.


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: Lx574574] * 2
    #26561185 - 03/27/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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About 6 months back I tried my first psilocybe mushrooms in one of the hill stations in India and I had an incredible experience with just 6 fresh mushrooms ( about an inch long). Since I had got about 30 mushrooms from the dealer, I dried the remaining for about 3 days and kept it in a mason Jar. When I eventually consumed the remaining 24 mushrooms after 3 weeks( I wanted to go next level hence increased the dosage), I had a panic attack for the 2 hours......





So how much experience do you have with mushrooms/psychedelics in total?

If you've only had a few trips, I don't think you have enough experience yet to say that  dried mushrooms are responsible for your panic attacks....That's likely just coincidence.



The way you describe the panic only lasting for the first two hours, then you're fine after...It sounds like it is the come up that's triggering a panic/anxiety response in you.

Feeling anxiety during the come up is normal, you just have to learn to go with it and not let your self get worked up into a full panic. For some people, that transition from every day consciousness into psychedelia can trigger a "fight or flight" type response and can make adrenaline start pumping and then from there things can unfold into full on panic.

I know how uncomfortable and anxious feeling a come-up can be...I've been working with mushrooms/psychedelics for a bit over 10 years and most of the time the come up with mushrooms is still an uncomfortable thing to go through for me (tho I've learned to deal with it at this point). There has certainly been times over the years where I've experienced a lot of anxiety and feeling "on edge" during the come up with mushrooms, but I've learned that's just how mushrooms go for me and know it will pass eventually. Around 90 to 120 minutes after dosing is when things always change for me.


Fresh mushrooms do have a bit different "feel" about them, I love tripping with fresh mushrooms..I do find them to be more visual and more "clear" and "light" in some ways...But the differences aren't so drastic that fresh is always going to give a glorious/good trip and dried are going to give panic attacks. I don't find anything "bad" about dried mushrooms, and from a chemistry/pharmalogical stand point dried mushrooms aren't much different from fresh mushrooms. Fresh mushrooms likely have a higher amount of psilocin, that's the main difference. And a higher psilocin content will make for a shorter come up, so that might be playing a role.





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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: RichardCranium]
    #26562312 - 03/27/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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How did you dry the mushrooms? Are the pictures mushrooms the "dried" ones he gave you? They don't look dry to me. Depending on process you may have bacteria as well as loss in potency. Stomach upset from the bacteria and a low dose keeping the come up long and uncomfortable can induce anxiety.




I’m thinking the same thing. Those look far ‘fresher’ than dry. Could very well be food poisoning.


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: openmind]
    #26562460 - 03/28/20 02:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I got the exact opposite last night! I’ve made a tea from fresh mushrooms and lemon juice and frozen in ice cube trays.

The first trip 2 weeks back forum fresh tea (not frozen) was amazing; really quick, clean, visual, gentle, but intense, and very spiritual.

Last night I tried my ice cubes for the first time. However I think I made 2 mistakes preparing them:

  • I let them thaw naturally not boil them;
  • Gave them a quick blast in the microwave


I ended up with what looked like brown egg yokes in a lemony and clear liquid. So rather than being well into the come up at 20 minutes, it had barely started at 70 mins. Then it was a strong body load feeling with no visuals and barely any headspace. At 2 to 3 hours, I felt the psychoactives start kicking in, but again with no rewarding headspace, euphoria, etc. For 2 hours waves came in, super potent and intimidating. These would ebb away aftern5 minutes where I’d think ok that’s done. Then another. Then another. Then another. Also in parallel with what felt like pretty grim thought loops: negative energy from Coronavirus surrounding me spoiling my set and trip.

I reckon somehow the clear liquid had some chemicals, that led to a body load, but the main psilocin and psilocybin were somehow trapped in the brown globules. And I think my body struggled to digest the actives out of these globules. Until maybe they’d worked their way down to my intestines then started getting absorbed from there.

I’m dumbfounded, and extremely gutted after getting so excited for another “fresh” trip. I probably won’t wait 2 weeks to try again, might raise the dose in a week, thaw them out “properly” (in a pan with heat and constant stirring), and make sure my ice cubes are sound.........

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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26562542 - 03/28/20 05:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for the reply. I'll further try my luck with liquid psilocybin as soon as I could get my hands on it.


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: RichardCranium]
    #26562545 - 03/28/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

the above pic is fresh mushroom. This is what it looked like when dried.



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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: openmind]
    #26562562 - 03/28/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Very less experience with psychedelics. The first time was 6 months ago. I didn't know what to expect  and was blown away by the out of world visuals, literally. I didn't have any spirituals experience though which is the main reason I ventured into psychedelics but instead I laughed till my stomach ached and the whole trip was entertaining like watching a crazy 3D movie. It looks like this strain  either looses potency when dried or i am doing something wrong while drying or the south indian atmosphere is not good for mushroom drying and is damaging the alkaloids. I am very curios because everyone says not much difference with fresh and dry in the internet but here i see so much difference. Its not just me. One of my aquintannce who's about 45 years now, had tried the shrooms in the same place in his 20s and he asked me not to take the dried ones. he'd apparently had many trips in his 20s and said the dried ones are not good. he didn't mention anything about anxiety. I always believed internet's research as against someones word so I thought he's just bullshitting until I experienced first hand. Nonetheless, I don't think i'll ever try the dried ones again. i'll try my luck with liquid psilocybin if I can get my hands on it or visit this shroom place every year for a tripping holiday. It's not that far from where I live but it only grows only when there is heavy rain with thunder which generally happens in oct/nov. I don't think this strain could be cultivated, otherwise the dealer would always have fresh stocks. I forgot the most important thing though. When the dealer handed out the dried shrooms the seconds time, he mentioned that the trip will start after 2 to 3 hours. It all makes sense now. I think this strain is not good dried. Maybe for most of them it only has delayed affect and for someone like me it causes anxiety initially which is termed as come up anxiety.


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: Lx574574]
    #26797580 - 07/01/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, thanks for the recommendation, but I will never try mushrooms because the effect can be any and it is individual for each organism. I didn’t even think that it could be so dangerous. Some time ago my brother decided to try dried mushrooms and he had very strong hallucinations and I could hardly help him. After that, he uses only permitted substances. For example, he uses kratom to fight depression. I myself learned about this plant and for a start I carefully studied the indo kratom review. After that, he began to be treated with this particular plant and the effect was simply awesome.


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: RyanPaterson]
    #26797642 - 07/01/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like he had no knowledge about mushrooms then, I hope he's learned by now. But this why caution is required. This second trip sounds normal. Just that anxiety. I think he had a very stubborn idea of what to expect when he started.


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26798191 - 07/02/20 12:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

My I ask what general area in India you are in?  Out of curiouisity's sake, I've been to kerala and a few places in the north.

Dried mushrooms will lose a lot of weight.  You may want to get a scale if possible to weigh the dried mushrooms in the future.  Drying mushrooms shouldn't lose much potency at all.


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: Typerwritermonky]
    #26798464 - 07/02/20 03:49 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You increased your dose by 4x from the previous experience and couldn't handle the anxiety :cookiemonster:, but then you had a nice trip after 2 hours. The comeup is always anxious in bigger doses for most people and you were very inexperienced. It helps to embrace the feelings and calm oneself before hand.


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    #26992369 - 10/19/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

After further continuing my experiment with mushroom trips, I have come to realize that the panic attack I experienced was energy that I am suppose to focus inwards. Since i had never experience panic attacks and what I experienced was very uncomfortable I labelled it as panic attack ( at least I think so). After my first trip which was incredible and fun, the next 3 trips were uncomfortable, the 2nd one being the worst. During my 4th trip the last sunday, I experienced the same uncomfortable feeling in the head without hallucination and I was just waiting to get over with that and never touching mushroom again and I looked myself at the mirror just casually scolding myself for trying these things ( funnily) and bam, the trip started. No hallucination, just pure introspection of my thoughts and my understanding of life and my loved ones and I must've cried a gallon..I was just crying like a baby for the next 4 to 5 hours..thank god I was alone. It was not a bad trip per se but a much needed teaching. I remembered why I even ventured into this experiment in the first place. It was not to have fun but to learn but my first trip changed that thought altogether. instead of being a serious session it turned out to be this amazing, funny, hillarious and I totally forgot what the mushrooms are suppose to do. I though my every trip will be the same but boy was I wrong. If you go with a serious intention to learn, mushroom will make a big joke out of you by being insanely hillarious. If you go there to have fun, it'll kick you in the ass and teach you about life. I am somewhat convinced the mushroom conscious is an intelligent being. It doesn't want to scare you right from the first trip so my guess is that your first trip will always be very heavenly and you'll want to do it again and again but the real lesson begins later on. by the way my 4th/latest trip was just 1.5 to 2 grams of dried mushrooms. NO hallucinations, just reconciling my past, forgiving and a ton of crying. I  have a few more experiments/trips to be carried out with increasing dosage and I will write my full report within next 1 to 2 years hopefully.


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: Lx574574]
    #26994406 - 10/20/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

From my circle of online and offline friends the consensus is the first trip is beautiful, and the first trip after a long gap is beautiful, the rest are random. The actual lessons can be really cryptic and hard to fathom, so integration can take time.

Mushrooms definitely have a mischievous side in terms of the teachings; they try to intimidate, they tease and poke fun, and they have lots of fun in front of you, but I generally always find them benign.

Apart from a few really intense trips that is, and 2 proper bad trips, where they were just.....cruel.


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26994663 - 10/20/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I've gotten the same thing...to the point of being worried that others around me were annoyed at me just breathing, and then that got me physically ill. I think it was just social anxiety that I was not letting go of. Mushrooms are hard to control, that's why I don't prefer them as my psychedelic of choice, but yeah...I mean, they're supposed to be in charge and you're just supposed to surrender, or on a lower dose, just chill and enjoy the ride. Otherwise that anxiety is going to wreck you and you're going to have a terrible time. Acknowledge it, realize that there's nothing you can really do about it, it's just a symptom and thinking about it will make it worse. Take long, deep breaths :smile:


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: Lx574574]
    #27487011 - 09/29/21 11:53 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

When I go to buy mushrooms, I ask for a little bit of every strain. There's about 10 available. Then I grind them to powder with a blender. And that lessens the chance of a hotspot. Some weird bad thing gets distributed evenly.


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: DJ Ed]
    #27487124 - 09/30/21 05:35 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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From my circle of online and offline friends the consensus is the first trip is beautiful, and the first trip after a long gap is beautiful, the rest are random. The actual lessons can be really cryptic and hard to fathom, so integration can take time.

Mushrooms definitely have a mischievous side in terms of the teachings; they try to intimidate, they tease and poke fun, and they have lots of fun in front of you, but I generally always find them benign.

Apart from a few really intense trips that is, and 2 proper bad trips, where they were just.....cruel.



Have you tried different species? Cubensis is well-known for its mind fuck abilities. I would suggest trying Natalensis for example.


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Re: DRY mushroom causing anxiety/panic attack for 2 hours. Fresh ones from the same batch was heavenly [Re: odissey]
    #27487134 - 09/30/21 05:47 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Thread is over a year and a half old.  :lol:


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