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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: ichugwindex] * 1
    #26560289 - 03/27/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The whole idea of money and material value is old and outdated. We have the capability for not a single person on this planet to go hungry yet there are still starving people....I guess what I'm trying to say is I dont understand greed. Could you elaborate because I am just as interested.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26560301 - 03/27/20 12:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Money is just a tool used to allow easy trading of resources, goods and services.

That way the butcher and the baker can still do business after the butcher is stocked on bread and the baker has a freezer full of meat.

Until we have truly unlimited resources, anything and everything will cost money even if it doesn't cost you money.

Once resources are unlimited we'll have no need for a system of exchange because no matter the demand everyone can have anything they want in any quantity imaginable.

Until then we're stuck with the monies.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560312 - 03/27/20 01:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not talking oversaturation of things. I'm talking about a balance. First priority is make sure nobody dies of hunger. That should be one of the easier things. I just dont get it. Why dont we just do it? Just get(and give) what we need?


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26560345 - 03/27/20 01:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Because nothing is free.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560347 - 03/27/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

And that should happen on a familial level. Or a tribal level. Whatever you amd yours operate under.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26560352 - 03/27/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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spirit_shadow said:
The whole idea of money and material value is old and outdated. We have the capability for not a single person on this planet to go hungry yet there are still starving people....I guess what I'm trying to say is I dont understand greed. Could you elaborate because I am just as interested.




Oh man I couldn't agree more I just didn't understand what you were talking about at first


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560356 - 03/27/20 01:53 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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And that should happen on a familial level. Or a tribal level. Whatever you amd yours operate under.




But why not worldwide? Are we just not there yet?

Edit: sorry for the double post. I try not to do that too often.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador] * 2
    #26560366 - 03/27/20 02:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Read the first chapter of the 1776 smash hit by Adam Smith:

"An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations"

We've known since this country was founded how wealth is created. It's been published and republished and talked about and taught about for over 240 years now.

It is not a bag o wealth with a finite amount of coins.

If you buy lemons, ice, cups, water, and honey for 20 bucks...

And you make exactly 20 cups of lemonade...

Then sell the lemonade for 1.50 a cup.

You just created 10 dollars that was not part of the economy before.

Not printing money... but kind of printing money.

:musky:

Edit... humans have known far longer how wealth is generated. This is just the earliest most influential publication I could think of that breaks it down in understandable terms.




Adam Smith was talking about competitive capitalism. Maybe they had competitive capitalism in the 1700's. IDK, but I'm not interested in arguing that point. We haven't had competitive capitalism in modern times.

The whole objective of top corporations is destroying the competition. Microsoft did that in their core product lines. Amazon has done it. The U.S. government had to break up Standard Oil into pieces with antitrust because Standard was so good at it. If a left wing Democrat ever gets elected President (which might not happen), they will cut Amazon into pieces.

The game is rigged. Everything is designed for the rich to get richer. The best predictor of where you will end up economically is where you started out. There are exceptions like the dot com millionaires, who were able to break into the elite ranks because they had ideas about new technologies that the old rich men couldn't keep up with, but statistically they are tiny exceptions to the rule.

The whole American Dream ethos keeps this system running. Half the population thinks they will be the next billionaire, so they vote accordingly. It's the greatest propaganda success since Christianity.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26560369 - 03/27/20 02:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Who feeds the bears and the elk and the fish and the coyotes?

They feed themselves or they die.

If you feed the bears they get fat and lazy and aggressive and dependent on human food and they don't hibernate.

Look up trash bears around Tahoe for an example.

We're still animals. If you just hand out food people forget how to feed themselves. That's a strong dependency to have and leaves you weak and vulnerable.

Look at 30 year olds that still live with with their mother that cooks. I'd guess most of them would not eat well if mom cut off the din dins.

But if mom makes you cook 3 nights a week once you're tall enough to reach the stovetop... by 30 you're capable of cooking 4 star for 15 people and actually getting compliments on your food.

The struggle makes you stronger. If we don't let people struggle they'll never learn how to create and provide for their own needs.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560371 - 03/27/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

[Quote]The whole objective of top corporations is destroying the competition.




The objective of any competition is to destroy the competition. Either metaphorically by scoring higher in a game. Or in business by out performing your competition so severely that you put them out of business.</font>

Edit pardon my shitty quote form. I'll do better next time.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560372 - 03/27/20 02:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

tahoe sucks :drag:


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26560374 - 03/27/20 02:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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tahoe sucks :drag:




You know about the trash bears around there then?


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560381 - 03/27/20 02:24 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If you sell lemonade they will ask you for a permit and charge you more then you ever made in sales for the fines. If you have the permit you'll never pay off the debt. Its illegal AF to sell lemonade. 1776 is a long time ago dude. Theres LOTS of things keeping anyone from rising to wealth. Mostly to make sure the wealth stays in the hands of the wealthy.

And back on topic the "at risk" age group holds most of that wealth excluding a few purely luck driven individuals.

I only have anecdotal evidence of it but time and time again I have watched decades of hard work amount to nothing because the game is rigged. All the while older folks claim the daily toil of these hard workers (who work longer hours for less pay than they had) is a lack of work ethic or some shit. It blows my mind




The example was simplified to highlight the idea in a way even a child can understand.

And exactly. The same principles apply that were published in a book 240 years ago and are still applicable. You can still buy this book in copies printed within a year ago.

Be a victim of the system and you'll forever remain so.

Become a student of the system and eventually you'll master it.

Mastery of this system just means you figured out how to reliably create some wealth for yourself.

And if the game seems rigged because the wealthiest people are generally old... it's because they've been participating in the economy the longest. Derp a derp.




Even a child could understand. I'll grant you that. But with increased age, understanding and studying, you should see the inherent flaws in the argument.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26560393 - 03/27/20 02:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I cannot read your mind. Tell me the flaws so we can talk about it.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador] * 1
    #26560620 - 03/27/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Stay inside and don't be a dickhole? Man, I really dont understand why you'd post that. Girlfriends parents have copd and cancer, my parents are old as hell. Don't want nobody dying. Why would you want your grandpa or grandmother to die? Fucked up man a lot more people will die than just the old.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26565836 - 03/29/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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[Quote]The whole objective of top corporations is destroying the competition.




The objective of any competition is to destroy the competition. Either metaphorically by scoring higher in a game. Or in business by out performing your competition so severely that you put them out of business.</font>

Edit pardon my shitty quote form. I'll do better next time. </font>




You just contradicted your statement of "anyone can make it". All that shit about "if we feed them they;ll get fat and lazy and expect " etc...is the cry of the people who do not/don't want to help anyone because they feel it "takes" from them. If someone has an excess of resources they will NEVER use, then GIVE some to someone. That's so easy a child can understand it.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26565907 - 03/29/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

They're not mutually exclusive.

Anyone can make it, but you have to compete. You have to participate and be competitive. I never said everyone is guaranteed to make it.

Sitting on the sidelines pointing at other's gains as your loss is simply refusing to compete. If you don't compete and compete well, you don't get to share in the products of competition. Period.

If you don't compete well and refuse to educate yourself and train on how to be a better competitor.. you get scraps. That's nature.

There is a place for charity. No doubt. But it has to be given freely. If it isn't yours, you don't get to manage how it is used. And you have no idea what is in a person's possession that they may or may not ever use. It's frankly not your business.

Would you want someone coming into your house and taking things that they don't think you'll need or ever use? Fak no, because it's your shit and if you just want it to sit there unused for eternity... you earned the right to decide that by competing at the level which allowed you whatever you've been able to accumulate.

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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26565951 - 03/29/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

My favorite sushi restaurant is still closed because of this shit...  Therefore I still want old people to die.  Sooner is better.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #26565961 - 03/29/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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My favorite sushi restaurant is still closed because of this shit...  Therefore I still want old people to die.  Sooner is better.




And that's how people turn out who have never seen hard times.

There is growth and strength in pain. You clearly need to suffer more just generally speaking.


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Re: [quote][b][i]Patlal said:[/i][/b] My favorite sushi restaurant is still closed because of this s [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #26565962 - 03/29/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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My favorite sushi restaurant is still closed because of this shit...  Therefore I still want old people to die.  Sooner is better.





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