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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal]
    #26554776 - 03/24/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Worked for Socrates.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26554791 - 03/24/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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My cousin has downs syndrome and it's hard sometimes but he's in good health and can do most of the basic stuff for himself.


He even has a "job" where he volunteers for a local farm. And he loves it, he loves being treated like a person and given a purpose. And seeing the cows.




The real problem is that there's not a solid network of care. It's a problem for the intellectually disabled. The mentally ill. And the elderly.


We just fucking suck at taking care of people after we decided that women can have 'real' jobs. And concocted the fantasy that all these people will be fine with good meds and parents as its their responsibility to care for them.


When my aunt passes I don't know who's going to care for my cousin. I do know that when she was battling lung cancer it was largely left to his sister and me and my parents and that was tough.
Especially to his sister, who has kinda been forced into a care giving role by no choice of her own. :ohwell:




Honestly think we'd go a lot farther if everyone had just a little bit of compassion. Less pity, less resentment, and less avoidance. Pretending nursing homes and halfway houses aren't understaffed and underfunded and the red tape and monetary restrictions around both aren't problems doesn't make them so. Pretending the care people get there is the best that can be done to give them a satisfactory life does not make it so.




I agree 100%. I respect and love the people who do care for those in need. Down syndrome is a tough one. It could have been prevented by abortion, but then it gets into religious beliefs and so on etc...Once the baby is born it's up to the parents or adoptive parents to care for it. Then it passes to the next person if those caregivers  die etc...it could have all been avoided. :shrug:

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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Patlal]
    #26554828 - 03/24/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Drinking a poison cup though...  Starring at it knowing that it'll kill you...  Wouldn't trigger an immediate urge to vomit it up?

Imagine the anxiety after drinking it.  Like this is it. You're gonna die.  It could lead to panic IMO.

How fast does that drink take before you're out?




There wont be much anxiety after drinking it.

Its 100ml 20% alcohol, sweetened, with 9gr nembutal sodium.

There'd be instantaneous anxiolytic effect, which then graduates into tranquilisation, sedation, sleep by 3-5 min and then unconsciousness, coma, respiratory and cardiac arrest in 20min to an hour.

Because its 1 poison and the poison is an anesthetic anxiolytic, IF it works there wil not be fear. Its not like us capital punishment Lethal Injection where they by accident can paralyze you while still awake.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #26554830 - 03/24/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Drinking a poison cup though...  Starring at it knowing that it'll kill you...  Wouldn't trigger an immediate urge to vomit it up?

Imagine the anxiety after drinking it.  Like this is it. You're gonna die.  It could lead to panic IMO.

How fast does that drink take before you're out?




There wont be much anxiety after drinking it.

Its 100ml 20% alcohol, sweetened, with 9gr nembutal sodium.

There'd be instantaneous anxiolytic effect, which then graduates into tranquilisation, sedation, sleep by 3-5 min and then unconsciousness, coma, respiratory and cardiac arrest in 20min to an hour.

Because its 1 poison and the poison is an anesthetic anxiolytic, IF it works there wil not be fear. Its not like us capital punishment Lethal Injection where they by accident can paralyze you while still awake.




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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 5
    #26555069 - 03/24/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

We definitely swung a bit too far on the life is precious thing. To the point that the system can't let people go home to die as often as not despite people being more comfortable there and that usually being their wish.


But life is precious. All life has value.

We just have a hard time grasping that death also has value. And I think it's because we avoid witnessing suffering and people stripped of dignity or humanity. We avoid facing the reality that sometimes life has no more to offer us.



I've never been one to think people should be told what to do, especially when talking about a mother and her baby. But I believe instead people should be educated. And a genuine education involves all the harsh realities and all the things that can go wrong.


I hate when people won't file a DNR for a family member who can't do anything for themselves, even communicate or breathe on their own, but leave the room when the nurses come in to clean their breathing tubes or their soiled diapers.

It's hard. It's fucking hard. I know, I've done it. But turning a blind eye doesn't really make it better for you and makes it far far worse for them.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26555324 - 03/24/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I agree 100%.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 2
    #26555335 - 03/24/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I used to be the guy who would save all kinds of bugs and set them free.

No one understood and they all told me I was weird. It wasn't in a bad way either.

I was just super baked 24/7. That bug had a family and stuff. He probably had feelings.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: watermelon mon] * 1
    #26555941 - 03/24/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

That post about greedy old folk hoarding all the wealth and getting justice for ‘making capitalism’ or whatever was strange :smile: As if there were 80-100 people with all the money, about to die and each would be giving all their untold billions to the masses..who are all nice and not greedy?

And yeah cradle of filth is pretty cool at times whoever mentioned that :rockon:

We’ve got to keep the older folks safe. They’re almost always cool and dgaf anymore, great outlook on life, and if you get them talking most have a lot of great stories...true or not. Especially old pool players


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26559904 - 03/26/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

People just sticking their heads in the sand saying theres plenty of money to go around lmao. Nope the wealthy hoard most of it and leave us to die or fight for the breadcrumbs. If you disagree its only because you are well off.

Maybe susurrador was referring to counterfeiting/printing your own money? That's the only way wealth is created....so unless you control that....


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26559985 - 03/26/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Read the first chapter of the 1776 smash hit by Adam Smith:

"An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations"

We've known since this country was founded how wealth is created. It's been published and republished and talked about and taught about for over 240 years now.

It is not a bag o wealth with a finite amount of coins.

If you buy lemons, ice, cups, water, and honey for 20 bucks...

And you make exactly 20 cups of lemonade...

Then sell the lemonade for 1.50 a cup.

You just created 10 dollars that was not part of the economy before.

Not printing money... but kind of printing money.

:musky:

Edit... humans have known far longer how wealth is generated. This is just the earliest most influential publication I could think of that breaks it down in understandable terms.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador] * 2
    #26560024 - 03/26/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

If you sell lemonade they will ask you for a permit and charge you more then you ever made in sales for the fines. If you have the permit you'll never pay off the debt. Its illegal AF to sell lemonade. 1776 is a long time ago dude. Theres LOTS of things keeping anyone from rising to wealth. Mostly to make sure the wealth stays in the hands of the wealthy.

And back on topic the "at risk" age group holds most of that wealth excluding a few purely luck driven individuals.

I only have anecdotal evidence of it but time and time again I have watched decades of hard work amount to nothing because the game is rigged. All the while older folks claim the daily toil of these hard workers (who work longer hours for less pay than they had) is a lack of work ethic or some shit. It blows my mind


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26560165 - 03/26/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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If you sell lemonade they will ask you for a permit and charge you more then you ever made in sales for the fines. If you have the permit you'll never pay off the debt. Its illegal AF to sell lemonade. 1776 is a long time ago dude. Theres LOTS of things keeping anyone from rising to wealth. Mostly to make sure the wealth stays in the hands of the wealthy.

And back on topic the "at risk" age group holds most of that wealth excluding a few purely luck driven individuals.

I only have anecdotal evidence of it but time and time again I have watched decades of hard work amount to nothing because the game is rigged. All the while older folks claim the daily toil of these hard workers (who work longer hours for less pay than they had) is a lack of work ethic or some shit. It blows my mind




The example was simplified to highlight the idea in a way even a child can understand.

And exactly. The same principles apply that were published in a book 240 years ago and are still applicable. You can still buy this book in copies printed within a year ago.

Be a victim of the system and you'll forever remain so.

Become a student of the system and eventually you'll master it.

Mastery of this system just means you figured out how to reliably create some wealth for yourself.

And if the game seems rigged because the wealthiest people are generally old... it's because they've been participating in the economy the longest. Derp a derp.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560206 - 03/26/20 10:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So simple a child could understand it yet you ignored my point about how even something so simple as a lemonade stand is no longer profitable in this day and age because the rich blockade anyone else from getting there. If I read your ancient texts what would change? Will I have to read this slavery era text to come back and tell you why its bullshit?

Did you start from nothing and read these ancient texts and become rich or something?


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26560214 - 03/26/20 11:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What would change is you'd have some semblance of an idea of how money works and wealth is created.

And your point about being a victim of money hording richies blocking your path to success is still lame and still a whiner excuse.

If you can comprehend the first chapter of Wealth of Nations, you have what it takes to create wealth and if you're already setting the stage for how you're going to come back telling me it's bullshit before you have any idea what it says... well- you've got more pressing personal issues to work through than economics.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560217 - 03/26/20 11:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

And your sig quote is lame and also pointing to the same problem.

If you were to fully realize your potential you'd mindfuck the shit out yourself.

Be the fucking hero. Not the victim.

Succeed despite the constant pushback. It makes you stronger.

Do the job regardless of its difficulty. It makes you stronger.

Learn the keys to success and use them bro.

You can do anything.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: susurrador]
    #26560248 - 03/26/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I cant even express how much this conversation is fucking with me. It appears you are trying to help me? You think billionaires are a non issue for the rest of us gaining wealth even though many people view that as an objective issue? Then you say this ancient slavery era tome will help me understand the vastly different beurocracy of today? I'm going to check out your ancient tome because it does seem like you have good intent. I really dont get it at all and it interest me.

The quote from my sig is from Samurai Champloo and I often get compliments on it.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26560277 - 03/27/20 12:21 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The whole idea of "wealth" is archaic.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26560284 - 03/27/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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We've known since this country was founded how wealth is created. It's been published and republished and talked about and taught about for over 240 years now.

It is not a bag o wealth with a finite amount of coins.

If you buy lemons, ice, cups, water, and honey for 20 bucks...

And you make exactly 20 cups of lemonade...

Then sell the lemonade for 1.50 a cup.

You just created 10 dollars that was not part of the economy before.





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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26560286 - 03/27/20 12:27 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not fucking with you. I disagreed with you and presented an argument.

I'd be tickled pink if you gave it a read to be honest.

It doesn't matter how much money anyone has. You can always create more wealth for yourself.


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Re: Why don't we just let the old and vulnerable die? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26560288 - 03/27/20 12:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The whole idea of "wealth" is archaic.




Please elaborate. I'm genuinely  interested


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