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Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols
    #26559101 - 03/26/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Found these today while working.
Field is frequented by horses and cows.
Found in cow pats.

These two smaller ones in one pat.

And about 10 meters away this lone fruit

Which when I got home had bruised green on cap

Got them printing on foil
Ive never seen these before.
Ideas anyone??


And heres some beautiful white parasols(Macrolepiota zeyheri) I encountered aswell


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26559119 - 03/26/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Cool find! Maybe a rubricaulis?


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26559134 - 03/26/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Top two look like Panaeolus foenisecii and the other Panaeolus species looks to be a Panaeolus cyanescens because of the blue bruising on the cap .. Wait for TI to chime in


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: ChasingBoomers86]
    #26559143 - 03/26/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I agree it could very well be a cyanescens. The stem is very dark, though.


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26559147 - 03/26/20 12:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Spore print should be jet black for the Cyanescens and the Foenisecii spore print will look black but it will actually be a dark brown color


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26559180 - 03/26/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Where Are You Located? (General Area)

The First 2 Pictures Look To Be Panaeolus Cinctulus. Pan Cincts Can Grow From Horse Dung. I Don't Think Panaeolus Foenisecii Grows From Dung. A Jet Black Spore Print Would Prove Them To Be Cinctulus, Pan Foes Have A Dark Brown Print.

The Mushroom In Pics 3,4,5, & 6 Looks To Be Panaeolus (Copelandia) Cyanescens, But Could Also Be A Non Active Panaeolus Sp With A Green Mold Forming (Can't Tell If That's Bruising Or A Mold Spot In Pic 6).

Pan Cyans Have A Jet Black Print.

Wait For A TI To Chime In. Nice FindsπŸ‘


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: MpSeph]
    #26559720 - 03/26/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Top two are likely cinctulus. Lack of bruising suggest cinctulus. To confirm take a spore print I it's brown it's foenscii if it's black it's cinctulus. papilionaceus grows from animal feces and the spore print is also black but it don't appear to be growing from any. Unless it just can't be seen. But the top two are likely cinctulus unless print I brown. Of it was cyans you would know it because it bruise blue very heavily whick it doesn't look like it's doing from the pics in my opinion. It's hard to see any bruising on the first pic but maybe

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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: zacho559]
    #26559744 - 03/26/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I think op is aware of the cinctulus/foenesecii difference. It's the mushroom in picture 3 to 6 which appears to be a cyanescens with a rather dark stem. It's not a papilionaceus.


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26560308 - 03/27/20 12:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)


Couldnt wait to have a look at the print this morning...
Unfortunately you cant see it but this print from the big one is slightly brown/black-certainly not jet black like p.cyanascens which Im very familiar with
The two smaller fruits dried up without giving much of a print to see any colour.

Pretty wierd.

Which brings me to the fruit I collected in this same field about two weeks back
Looks like p.cyanescens at first glance...

Look at the stem(first fruit on left)


Compared to these shots of the pan.cyanescens I collected in the wild coast


Stems seemed a little lighter and bruised easily while these newer finds the stems/caps seem to me to be a little darker and dont bruise so easily-with a slightly brown print.

TI's...??


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26560320 - 03/27/20 01:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Brown spored panaeolus that bruises... Beats me. By the way, if you use scissors when hunting, they'd probably taste a little better 😁


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26560354 - 03/27/20 01:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Think I'll stick with my first id, panaeolus rubricaulis. They bruise, have reddish brown stems and a brownish black sporeprint. Let's see what others say πŸ˜€


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26560954 - 03/27/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It's more likely to be Panaeolus cambodginiensis due to the location, cap with "horizontal fissures," and brown spores.


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: donjonson410]
    #26561350 - 03/27/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I believe most panaeoli can get those "fissures", but I think you're right. It fits better. Didn't even concider it.


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26561632 - 03/27/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You can access a recent publication on Panaeolus that has good usable synopsis tables to sort things out macroscopically, for free here.  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339459453_A_new_species_of_Panaeolus_Agaricales_Basidiomycota_from_Yunnan_Southwest_China


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: donjonson410]
    #26561763 - 03/27/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting. A new species. And I live close to Yunnan πŸ˜€ There should be a few more on that list, especially tropicalis and rubricaulis. But cool, cheers.


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26561876 - 03/27/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Interesting. A new species. And I live close to Yunnan πŸ˜€ There should be a few more on that list, especially tropicalis and rubricaulis. But cool, cheers.




Maybe. This was a genetic approach and as far as I know those two still need to be sorted out using molecular means to verify their position.


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: donjonson410]
    #26561931 - 03/27/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sure DNA sequencing has been done with the tropicalis and other panaeoli not on this list. But there's lots more to be done, I suppose.


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26564382 - 03/29/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thankyou all for your replies.
Just to clear up my post abit - my location is KwaZulu Natal, South Africa.
These were collected about 150km inland from the coast close to the Weza-ngele forest.
Had a look at the chart from Donjohnson.Very intetesting but what puzzles me is that they have the spore print of Pan.cyanescens listed as dark brown?
My Pan.cyan look more black than brown and this new find seems to my eye to be a little more brown and not black...??
Dunno maybe it is just a Pan.cyan...:shrug:
Have taken a clone sample and got prints.Will try growing them out and maybe foward a sample&print onto someone who can take a closer look.


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Re: Pan cints/foes/?? & a couple parasols [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26564397 - 03/29/20 12:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I reacted to that myself. I think it's in the pan.cyanescens group, but I doubt it's cyans. Send a sporeprint to someone who can microscope it for you.


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