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Wtf how do i do this
#26559063 - 03/26/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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No matter what tek what guide i do mist fan and no mist fan...
I get this... 4 or 5 on top
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: drgreen89] 1
#26559105 - 03/26/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thats not a very healthy looking tub. Looks like its not properly filled and leveled. Looks like theres voids around some corners and some hills and valleys on the surface. And doesnt look like it was fully colonized. Whatever tek youre using, follow it exactly. Dont cut corners.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: Thrill]
#26559124 - 03/26/20 12:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What teks are you using? Help us help you mate....more info
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: Thrill]
#26559132 - 03/26/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I second Thrill's opinion. Side and bottom pins form because the micro climate in those areas was better than your overall surface conditions. The best way to avoid them is to level out your surface as much as possible and get your moisture/humidity dialed in appropriately. More info on your methods would definitely help.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: Morbility]
#26559215 - 03/26/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What's your ratio?
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: drgreen89]
#26559221 - 03/26/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would recommend using a liner, it could help curb those pins on the bottom more info please on what tek your following?
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I recommend working on your sterile tek... dirty spawn, dawg.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: LotKid] 1
#26560189 - 03/26/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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LotKid said: I recommend working on your sterile tek... dirty spawn, dawg.

Substrate doesn’t look fully colonized with large healthy fruits and a lot of other mycelium growing. And not the good kind.
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Looks like you didnt put much effort into this tub. So leads me to believe you weren't putting in much effort with the earlier stuff either
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: Mooshi97]
#26560482 - 03/27/20 04:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Would be better served putting your tub in the compost.Why not tell us your tek?
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LotKid said: I recommend working on your sterile tek... dirty spawn, dawg.

Substrate doesn’t look fully colonized with large healthy fruits and a lot of other mycelium growing. And not the good kind.
Noo. this is defo sterile and clean. Mushrooms
It was all level its at the end of its flushing its fruited 3 weeks Ive harvested 25grams off 1 and 34 off the othet dry
Its un3ven yes and broken from pulling it out to harvest the bottom mushrooms
This is old and dry now. Everything bruises blue and nothing is green or mouldy no mould what so ever.
I cut no corners i even traveled 44 miles to get dame grain bods shoevox tek.
I only had 3 jars and i split them betwren 2 so if i lost 1 other was fine. So yeah its not asmuch as most put in but didnt hsve 6 qt jars
I had a bag over the top as it said to. Was small slow shrooms on here roger rabbit said mist them 2 times aday and fan... So i did it helped but then on here was advised to open the top off... And stop misting when i did that everytbing started fruiting underneath instead... Pic is a bit bright its not that grey colour its white with coco brown I left it in fruiting like bod said to let it do its thing
What othet mycellium is there? I dont see any and my shrooms are amazing
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: drgreen89]
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You dont necessarily have to mist*x amount of times a day, just when it needs it. Figure out how to read your surface conditions and that alone oughta help out quite a bit, even with less than perfect spawn. On the other hand you could have the best spawn ever and if surface conditions arent good enough the flush wont be either
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053 That might help some
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: drgreen89]
#26560758 - 03/27/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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drgreen89 said: Noo. this is defo sterile and clean. Mushrooms
Doesnt look like it to me but hey, you're the one asking for help... 
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: LotKid]
#26560795 - 03/27/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It’s really hard to get an idea of what’s happening with those pictures. The first set of pics do look horrendous 😀 no offense lol. I know you said that’s after several weeks and after lifting the block out I guess to get to the bottom pins but my mush always seemed to appreciate neatness in their habitat.
Are those second 2 pictures from the original pin set? You should try using a liner next time which can help with side and bottom pins. And get some more qt jars going so you can have a good amount of spawn.
Did those pins in the second pics mature to nice mushrooms?
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: drgreen89]
#26560844 - 03/27/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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drgreen89 said:
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TranscendingLife said:
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LotKid said: I recommend working on your sterile tek... dirty spawn, dawg.

Substrate doesn’t look fully colonized with large healthy fruits and a lot of other mycelium growing. And not the good kind.
Noo. this is defo sterile and clean. Mushrooms
It was all level its at the end of its flushing its fruited 3 weeks Ive harvested 25grams off 1 and 34 off the othet dry
Its un3ven yes and broken from pulling it out to harvest the bottom mushrooms
This is old and dry now. Everything bruises blue and nothing is green or mouldy no mould what so ever.
I cut no corners i even traveled 44 miles to get dame grain bods shoevox tek.
I only had 3 jars and i split them betwren 2 so if i lost 1 other was fine. So yeah its not asmuch as most put in but didnt hsve 6 qt jars
I had a bag over the top as it said to. Was small slow shrooms on here roger rabbit said mist them 2 times aday and fan... So i did it helped but then on here was advised to open the top off... And stop misting when i did that everytbing started fruiting underneath instead... Pic is a bit bright its not that grey colour its white with coco brown I left it in fruiting like bod said to let it do its thing
What othet mycellium is there? I dont see any and my shrooms are amazing
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How big are the tubs and how much sub did you spawn the 3 jars into? Without knowing how big of a tub that is, 25 grams is a pretty low yield. Properly done, you could have expected 4 to 5 times as much.
So if that first pic is after weeks of fruiting, and it was definitely clean and sterile and everything, then what do you need help with exactly?
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: Thrill]
#26560849 - 03/27/20 10:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol it’s leveled? Pretty sure you got myc growing on the walls of that one mono, dude.
Just shake it up after spawning, then level with a ruler or a book or smthn.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: feldman114]
#26560899 - 03/27/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Agreed that tub needs leveled.
Gotta say though, my mycelium always wants to pretend its ivy and go vertical rhizo on any surface, plastic or glass, it doesn't matter.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: drgreen89]
#26560957 - 03/27/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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just start over and follow the tek to a t.
there is clearly something wrong with your spawn or substrate
first thing i noticed was no liner, nothing blocking light from bottom, so youre gonna get bottom/ side fruits
is your tub un modified? if youre misting with no air flow thats a recipe for bacteria, too much water combined with no air flow.
higher rations of clean spawn is key, i prefer to do no less than a 3:1 ratio and no more than 2:1, but thats just me
i usually get decent flushes from ms spawn, a recent tub, and this is just one 60 quart ( some have done more some less) did almost 80 g dry on first flush.
and im not satisfied with that, trying to improve.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: Mycobum7] 1
#26560968 - 03/27/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mycobum7 said: first thing i noticed was no liner,
If you level your sub and have proper surface conditions, you shouldn't need a liner. They do come in handy when it comes to cleaning the sub out of the tub, though.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: LotKid]
#26561115 - 03/27/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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drgreen89 said: Noo. this is defo sterile and clean. Mushrooms
Doesnt look like it to me but hey, you're the one asking for help... 

Can you teach me what makes it bad? From my experience whe. It goes green it was bad or fluffy like polyfil?
These all sremed so healthy to me and ive had nothing but trips off em.
Its bods tek he advisrs bo need to line it as its bot light but the air gap and moisture that side pins come from. And he and oters dont liner it.
The shoebox tek says no holes just flip the lid and put a bag over it to fruit with holes in it.
Nothings growing on the tub. Ratio is 2 jar spawn 300g coir in a 25x15cm box 28g dry as he does 5 jar to 650g
I follow3d it somuch even to the extent of pcing the coir instead of just pasturising.
Everyrthing was alcahol 70 and h2o2 flame sterile
Jars wash in soap Jars wash in h2o2 12% Jars 2hr in pc
Oats wash 3 times over ane scoop out any floaters Oats cook 2hrs on a rolling boil till a few pop Oats out til evap steam Load jars 3/4 Seal jars and pc for 2hr Leave over night
Into air box Spray in h2o2 hands in alcahol Wipe all in alcohol Flame needle And push thru an alcahwipe over sealing port
1week later its fully colinated Id love to do. More jars but after my last lot i lost contams. So i had a 6ml spore left
Now
Coir cooked pc 2hr not needed Coir to fieldcap squeeze Into tub after sterilising with h2oro and alcahol and drying thru evap
Coco in. Spawn in Mix Level off pat dow Lid on and wait.
On pinning flio lid and whe. Shrooms add a food bag over top with holes and wipe alcahol.
Rogerrabbit said i needed 3. Mists and a fan after misting
This increased my top yield But bottom stil went mad
Advised on here to open the top as they want. More air
So i did and this increase my flushes under again
Then when dryed out i soaked it in water and drained it 20min later
Then i got another big flush
Done same this time and now its off again fruiting massive shrooms The small ones have stopped after 3 weeks and now im getting giants when its almost spent?
I even had sone shrooms grow out the surface and then down ibto the spawn so i had uoside down mushrooms showing gills on coco level full cap inside sub.....
Good fruuts 4gram i hit hard and amazing.
Soni dont ubderstand how its contam? I dont see anything but magjcs coming up?
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: drgreen89]
#26561132 - 03/27/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Did I miseead or did you soak your coir in h2o2 and alcohol?
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: drgreen89] 1
#26561133 - 03/27/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don’t touch the needle with alcohol wipes after being flame sterilized. Just make sure the inoc port is wiped down then stick red hot needle in port. A drop or two of spore solution will cool the needle down enough. Did you pressure cook your coir? Because bulk substrate should be pasteurized, or use the bucket tek. Coir + verm does not need to be properly pasteurized, which is why the bucket tek works.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: drgreen89]
#26561161 - 03/27/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oats cook 2hrs on a rolling boil till a few pop
Did I read that right? That's way too long to be boiling your oats. 30-40 minutes at most before draining and drying.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: Morbility]
#26561173 - 03/27/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oats cook 2hrs on a rolling boil till a few pop
Did I read that right? That's way too long to be boiling your oats. 30-40 minutes at most before draining and drying.
I agree. I don't soak my grain and at a rolling boil, they take 45 mins at most.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: BooShow] 1
#26561361 - 03/27/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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MY bad 30 to 45 mins til 1 or 2 pop hha theyd be dead after 2hrs
Got lost writing there
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: drgreen89]
#26561629 - 03/27/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol okay, good.
- Your oat prep sounds like it's on point.
- Follow all of TrancendingLife's points.
- Leave the H2O2 in the medicine cabinet--it doesn't do much in this hobby except for one or two rare things that don't apply to you here.
- Maybe a liner would help for your next project until you develop a better understanding of conditions.
- Could be that your substrate is getting cached and there's more nutes on the bottom also encouraging growth?
just a side thought.
- Surface and substrate conditions are the biggest factors here I think. Playing a lot trying to dial in FAE could also be contributing. Some of this stuff is "learn as you go." The good news is you're getting fruits, so you're doing okay, just gotta keep at it and keep learning.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: Morbility]
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Keep reading and make sure the information is up to date this site is so vast! , a lot of these guys gave you great stuff for the next go around. You got fruits this time so you know your on the right track, time to hone in on what you’ve learned and stay positive!!
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: drgreen89]
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drgreen89 said: I follow3d it somuch even to the extent of pcing the coir instead of just pasturising
This was your first mistake. Coir does not need to be PCed or even pasteurized. Pasteurizing doesn't hurt, but sterilizing it is definitely harmful.
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drgreen89 said: Flame needle And push thru an alcahwipe over sealing port
Second mistake. Once flamed, don't wipe the needle.
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drgreen89 said: Soni dont ubderstand how its contam? I dont see anything but magjcs coming up?
You're getting bacterial contamination, which would be visually evident in your spawn jars. Spores to grain is notorious for being prone to contamination off the bat. Certainly not saying you cannot get clean spawn, but it's more difficult.
Good luck my friend, it certainly is a steep learning curve, but it is quick!
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Curious, how is sterilizing coir harmful? I agree it's definitely unnecessary, but since it's not prone to contamination in the first place and doesn't harbor any microorganisms, I don't see how going the extra step would cause any issues as opposed to say, exposing sterilized grains to open air.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: Morbility] 1
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Bucket tek is way quicker for coir.  I’m not about to be squeezing the shit to field capacity and loading jars. I’ll just dump it in a bucket with verm and boil some gypsum in a gallon of water and dump.
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Truth. I use bucket tek as well. Was just curious why MLPismyOPSEC said that sterilizing coir is actually harmful and not merely a pain in the ass. lol
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: Morbility]
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My understanding is that when the coir is sterilized, it then becomes a big vector for contamination. It may not harbor microorganisms, but i've seen too many old posts where people sterilized coir (when it was thought we should spawn tubs in sterile conditions), and the tubs grew trich before anything else.
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You shouldnt sterilze any bulk subs or casing. Anyone else wanna tell them why?
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@MLPismyOPSEC: That's interesting, I didn't know coir could be a vector after sterilization since it's so non-nutritional (at least to other organisms). Hpoo, straw, etc., of course... I've seen some really unfortunate threads after people PCed them here and there. I'm lazy as hell, so I'm definitely going to keep using the bucket tek anyway, but that just seals it for me.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: LotKid]
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LotKid said: You shouldnt sterilze any bulk subs or casing. Anyone else wanna tell them why?
Sterilized coir works fine though
Better, some say
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: feldman114]
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LotKid said: You shouldnt sterilze any bulk subs or casing. Anyone else wanna tell them why?
Sterilized coir works fine though
Better, some say
Who says that?
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: LotKid]
#26565561 - 03/29/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cron, for one. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26360182#26360182
And for 2, I’ve been sterilizing my coir-verm for months now. I like the convenience of having ready-to-use sub at all times, but others have noticed better (faster) results with cooked coir.
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: feldman114]
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: feldman114]
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So whatbother contams are visible? U made it sound toxic but ive googled now dayd and im miffed i csnt find anything
I wana do a trip but wana be clean they all look good and clean do am so confused.
Byw i threw it in the paper bin and its freakin covered in shrooms lol
-------------------- Using shrooms to treat PTSD mixed bipolar, and to help with restricted movements from severe back and neck injury and research into Natural cures , Homeopathy
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feldman114
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Re: Wtf how do i do this [Re: feldman114]
#26567287 - 03/30/20 01:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I’m not sure what I just read, but I assume you’re responding to this?
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feldman114 said: Did I miseead or did you soak your coir in h2o2 and alcohol?
In which case, yeah, you should not be soaking your coir in h2o2 and alcohol. At the very least, it’s a waste of good antiseptics
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