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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: morrowasted] 1
#26556903 - 03/25/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Houston started taking social distancing measures about 10-12 days ago IIRC. Closing bars, restaurants, etc. Playing "wash your hands frequently, stay 6 feet away from each other" announcements over the loudspeakers in all the grocery stores and such.
These are essential things and they do make a difference. But they don't drop new cases from 'a lot' to 'basically zero' in a day. It tapers off much more slowly. I understand that the number of cases in TX is pretty small anyway and that of course makes the numbers always a bit iffy.
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It also started getting up into the upper 80s every day around the same time. the high today is 91F I think these factors were sufficient to mitigate the problem well enough that isn't going to be an issue for out medical system at all here in Houston. They might not next winter, but then people will be ready for it and will be practicing hygiene and social distancing prophylactically.
I really hope that the weather/temperature thing works they way you hope it does (I did see and glanced at the paper you quoted earlier). I'm not very optimistic given the situation in Spain, which has experienced an unusually warm winter/early spring. Didn't seem to help them much.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante] 2
#26556906 - 03/25/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Meanwhile in Holland 
Tuesday 382 (March 10, 2020) Wednesday: 503 (+121) Thursday: 614 (+111) Friday: 804 (+190) Saturday: 959 (+155) Sunday: 1135 (+176) Monday: 1413 (+287)(March 16) Tuesday: 1708 (+295) Wednesday: 2051 (+343) Thursday 2460 (+409) Friday 2994 (+534) Saturday 3631 (+637) Sunday 4202 (+571) Monday 4749 (+547)(March 23) Tuesday 5560 (+811) Wednesday 6412 (+852)
Coronavirus has even been found in sewage water in Holland. People reacted to this to start hoarding bottled water, as if under the impression that the waste water treatment plant directly feeds into the drinking water plant
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Tantrika]
#26556910 - 03/25/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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shoulda stayed in Saskatchewan


it's just fucking ballooning in BC
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/health-professionals/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html
Canada is over 1000 cases now not sure if the expansive growth is due to the highly viral nature of it or expansion of testing services
it is also 'neat' to note that now Manitoba is back below Saskatchewan for number of cases could be in error, but think that the demographics of Manitoba more favour winter/senior travellers as well as having a slightly higher population than Saskatchewan so kind of disproportionate and unexpected change in the numbers from my initial affirmation of safety location


so the data on my province (Manitoba) suggests better controls or lagging in testing or something
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To date, Manitoba has tested 4,520 of its 1.38 million residents, which means 0.3 per cent of the population has been sampled.
Saskatchewan has just under 1.2 million people and has tested 5,757 of them, or 0.5 per cent of the populace.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-saskatchewan-covid-disparity-1.5508342
but the numbers are so small it's not feasible to confirm anything yet it seems like it could be the case that because Alberta has had so many community infections and is in close(r) proximity to a number of Saskatchewan population bases that Saskatchewan has spilled over into community-based spread while Manitoba seems to have reached some containment to travellers
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante] 3
#26556946 - 03/25/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said: Coronavirus has even been found in sewage water in Holland. People reacted to this to start hoarding bottled water, as if under the impression that the waste water treatment plant directly feeds into the drinking water plant
See this is the shit that saddens me. After seeing how crazy people went with Toilet Paper I suspect the start of any panic will exacerbate it by an order of magnitude given the current climate. Just yesterday I got a message from a friend in England that his local grocery store got raided and all food stolen overnight. How long until that behaviour starts to spread?
Hence my attitude of 'stay calm'.
I said this to someone here the other day and she said it was 'very English' of me.
Is there any way we can calm the panic?
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 3
#26556948 - 03/25/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I said this to someone here the other day and she said it was 'very English' of me. ...

unable to resist, sorry bro
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
#26556954 - 03/25/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm trying to be extra friendly and understanding of everyone else, hopefully that helps keep people calm.
Also doing my best to not get the virus, as that keeps me (somewhat) calm.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 6
#26556984 - 03/25/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The only way we can get people to calm down is to replace the water supply with CBD.
In all seriousness, most people are more afraid of a lockdown than the virus. Nobody wants to have their freedom restricted...understandably... For some reason, they just think the government is going to weld their doors shut. It doesn't even help to remind people that nobody died of starvation due to coronavirus.
Many people are forced to face their anxiety for the first time ever, and this time, its inescapable. That anxiety comes out as rage in some people (myself included). Nobody gives us good tools to deal with our emotions, so if you've been burying your emotions in work and daily life to forget them, now they're all bubbling to the surface.
My friend, this next few months is going to get weird.
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People excel at taking a bad situation and making it worse.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] 3
#26557013 - 03/25/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Many people are forced to face their anxiety for the first time ever, and this time, its inescapable. That anxiety comes out as rage in some people (myself included). Nobody gives us good tools to deal with our emotions, so if you've been burying your emotions in work and daily life to forget them, now they're all bubbling to the surface.
My friend, this next few months is going to get weird.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/harvard-medical-school-recommends-yoga-meditation-to-deal-with-coronavirus-anxiety/articleshow/74646695.cms
Yoga and meditation are good tools to balance your mind, reduce fear and axiety and to get you naturally high.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: InfiniteDreams]
#26557021 - 03/25/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] 4
#26557039 - 03/25/20 12:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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ShroomerInTheRye said: Many people are forced to face their anxiety for the first time ever, and this time, its inescapable. That anxiety comes out as rage in some people (myself included). Nobody gives us good tools to deal with our emotions, so if you've been burying your emotions in work and daily life to forget them, now they're all bubbling to the surface.
Jesus. Good point. Really glad I've dealt with so much existential angst over the last few years that it's not drowning me now!!
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] 5
#26557046 - 03/25/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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ShroomerInTheRye said: The only way we can get people to calm down is to replace the water supply with CBD.
In all seriousness, most people are more afraid of a lockdown than the virus. Nobody wants to have their freedom restricted...understandably... For some reason, they just think the government is going to weld their doors shut. It doesn't even help to remind people that nobody died of starvation due to coronavirus.
Many people are forced to face their anxiety for the first time ever, and this time, its inescapable. That anxiety comes out as rage in some people (myself included). Nobody gives us good tools to deal with our emotions, so if you've been burying your emotions in work and daily life to forget them, now they're all bubbling to the surface.
My friend, this next few months is going to get weird.
I'm under lockdown.
Except for if I need to go to the grocery store or pharmacy or something. Or if I need to take care of a sick friend or family member. Or if I for some reason get called into the office(because my company skirted the life-sustaining business order thingy). Or if I want to do some outdoor recreational activities while still maintaining social distancing efforts..
...Which I am about to go do in about an hour.
So it doesn't really feel like much of a lockdown. Think it's more about encouraging people to get into that state of mind that this is not a drill.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26557048 - 03/25/20 12:38 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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pirate-blues said: So it doesn't really feel like much of a lockdown. Think it's more about encouraging people to get into that state of mind that this is not a drill.
Partly, yes. And in part, it *does* of course drastically reduce social contact across the population. Looking at how many people do not go to work at the moment, this alone takes out a substantial part of the infection opportunities.
There's an analogy here with how we deal with radiation in e.g. power plants, xray applications etc. - the aim there is not 'zero exposure', but the concept of 'ALARA': as low as realistically achievable.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: HamHead] 4
#26557066 - 03/25/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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A Warrenton man was charged with making a terrorist threat after he filmed himself licking bunch of items at Walmart.
"Who's afraid of the coronavirus?" Cody Pfister, 26, taunts in a video he later posted to social media.
The video spread around the world, and Warrenton police said in a statement the department had been contacted by people in the Netherlands, Ireland and the United Kingdom.
"We take these complaints very seriously and would like to thank all of those who reported the video so the issue could be addressed," police said in the statement.
The video appears to have been filmed on March 11 at the Warrenton store, according to court records. Pfister was taken into custody this week, and Warren County prosecutors charged him today. The charge is a low-level felony.
Bizarrely, he's not the first person to get in trouble with police for licking surfaces as public health officials beg people to wash their hands, keep at least six feet apart and avoid touching their faces in hopes of slowing the spread of COVID-19. The manager of a grocery store in Wisconsin called police after a woman licked the door handle to a freezer, reportedly to protest the virus, while a manager was disinfecting the store, Newsweek reported.
There have been more than 44,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus and more than 500 deaths in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The city of St. Louis announced its first death, a woman in her 30s, just yesterday.
Pfister was booked into the Warren County jail without bond. He has previous convictions for burglary, theft of a firearm, drug possession and driving while intoxicated.
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2020/03/24/missouri-walmart-coronavirus-licker-charged-with-terrorist-threat
known for previous theft of a firearm --> taken down on terrorism charges, but for licking things
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Tantrika] 1
#26557082 - 03/25/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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A Warrenton man was charged with making a terrorist threat after he filmed himself licking bunch of items at Walmart.
"Who's afraid of the coronavirus?" Cody Pfister, 26, taunts in a video he later posted to social media.
The video spread around the world, and Warrenton police said in a statement the department had been contacted by people in the Netherlands, Ireland and the United Kingdom.
"We take these complaints very seriously and would like to thank all of those who reported the video so the issue could be addressed," police said in the statement.
The video appears to have been filmed on March 11 at the Warrenton store, according to court records. Pfister was taken into custody this week, and Warren County prosecutors charged him today. The charge is a low-level felony.
Bizarrely, he's not the first person to get in trouble with police for licking surfaces as public health officials beg people to wash their hands, keep at least six feet apart and avoid touching their faces in hopes of slowing the spread of COVID-19. The manager of a grocery store in Wisconsin called police after a woman licked the door handle to a freezer, reportedly to protest the virus, while a manager was disinfecting the store, Newsweek reported.
There have been more than 44,000 confirmed cases of the coronavirus and more than 500 deaths in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The city of St. Louis announced its first death, a woman in her 30s, just yesterday.
Pfister was booked into the Warren County jail without bond. He has previous convictions for burglary, theft of a firearm, drug possession and driving while intoxicated.
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2020/03/24/missouri-walmart-coronavirus-licker-charged-with-terrorist-threat
known for previous theft of a firearm --> taken down on terrorism charges, but for licking things
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koraks] 1
#26557084 - 03/25/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm under lockdown and the 8 million people in my area are also on lockdown. Everybody seems to be pretty calm and taking it very well. Most people understand what's going on and they realize that it's only temporary if we stay safe, give the healthcare system time to make a cure/vaccine, and help each other out.
Yeah, there is some toilet paper shortage and there were like 2 or 3 fights in a grocery store, but out of 8 million people that ain't bad. Most people are fine with a lockdown and most people that I talk to in real life don't understand why we aren't locked down more and why there is no enforcement.
My area had a big head start on New York. We are the 2nd most densely populated city and N.Y. is the 1st. We locked ourselves down and completely slowed the virus and we did flatten our curve, especially compared to N.Y.. How can New York not see this? Are they blind to what California is doing? New York needs to follow California, with even more strict measures, and they need to do it now.
California's Governor should take over the presidency. We need Trump out of that position as soon as possible. He is killing Americans, he is killing our families. How can we be letting him do this to our families?
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: pirate-blues] 1
#26557087 - 03/25/20 01:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I mean, you've also got to consider that everyone has lost some of their income right now. If you've got a family to provide for, but you don't know where that next paycheck is coming in from, and you've got to rely on unemployment, that's going to make that anxiety skyrocket.
There's just a lot of unknown right now. That feeds directly into anxiety.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 2
#26557093 - 03/25/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is there any way we can calm the panic?
I rationally stocked up in January, when everybody was cracking disrespectful jokes at the Chinese and not giving a damn.
I was not panicky, I was determined to carry out a step in my contingency plan.
Now I, among a myriad of things, have an airtight foodgrade 20 gallon vat with an 120lbs bag of grade A Basmati Rice tipped into it.
I got my veg, my legumes, whole egg powder, my jars and cans, a tall freezer stocked to the roof, gloves, masks, dettol, bleach...
All gotten calmly while everybody was shrugging it off.
I'm calm.
More than that, I stickied the thread way early on and kept salting it early on with prep recommendations, documents for downloads, scientific and spiritual musings, giving anyone who wanted to read, fodder, and those who didn't, an eyesore sticky on top of the forum. I paired it with a modroom thread to the effect of "let this one ride guys, its gonna be big"
I'm just a guy who cried "WOLF COMING!" when there was. A lot of people, got informed and went with those recommendations, or by their own guidelines.
They too, are not in a panic.
They too, are calm.
Is there any way we can calm the panic?
Good information and recommendation, either early on or right now, instead of Fox News hysteria. This thread is peppered by documents by medical and scientific experts, survival and prepping experts, we have well informed shroomerites from all over the world, including from relevant disciplines that actually deal with this crisis.
JUST SAY KNOW.
Is there any way we can calm the panic?
This thread has what it takes and has been having it since January. 
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koraks]
#26557094 - 03/25/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was referring to the 600 cases vs. 11k cases difference that was quoted. Daily growth rate in cases doesn't drop that fast; the only explanation is a measurement fluke.
Look, here in The Netherlands we started taking measures towards social distancing etc. 2 weeks ago and by and large, they are practiced reasonably well. R0 is estimated to be around 1 here currently. Today we are seeing what hopefully looks a bit like the growth rate becoming less steep. It's so subtle that it's not even certain that we're actually seeing this. It takes at least 2 weeks before you see effects of measures being taken with this in the case development numbers and 4-8 weeks before the death rate starts dropping.
The US lags behind on both cases and measures a little over a week or so on The Netherlands, and consequently, it's unlikely you'll see a dramatic drop in new daily cases in the next 7 days or so. Especially given the fact that the measures taken in the US are certainly not more thorough than in The Netherlands; they're roughly similar.
I'm not saying the curve is flattening for the USA as a whole. I dont meant to be derogatory but Texas alone is many times the size of the Netherlands, it is very far away from new york, and Texas is extemely different from New York in terms of density, social behaviors and climate. From a medical and logistical standpoint it makes sense to think of different geographic regions of this country as almost if they were different countries altogether.
I'm not saying a problem doesnt exist. I'm saying that it would be a major financial and medical blunder to be sending supplies to us right now, and honestly to be keeping businesses shut down here in houston after the local r0 drops to 1. An illness with an r0 of 1 and a series interval of 7 is actually far less infectious than the flu which has an r0 of 1 and a series interval of 2. Of course clinical outcomes may differ between flu and covid right now but as of right now the treatments being deployed seem to be effective as long as hospitals can handle the patient load.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] 1
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Oh ya, I absolutely agree with you.
Things are gonna get cray. I think we're going to find out a lot about ourselves as a society, and probably as individuals in the coming weeks.
I have it a little easier in the sense that I don't have to worry about keeping kids safe and healthy and educated, my job is secure, I'm not an especially 'at-risk' individual. I have a lot to be thankful for tbh, and I know that compared to a lot of other people, I have it easier, for sure. Definitely not trying to speak for everyone, but so far I think the lockdowns are the right, and damn near the only thing we can do that'll actually have some kind of impact on the spread of this.
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