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pc efficiency tek 6
#26556147 - 03/24/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: the bottom bags must be pre-sealed to avoing sucking in water on cooldown the rest should be self explanatory. bags are weighed to 4lb's. I use RYE which is denser than oats and wheat so they end up being smaller and you can fit more in
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you can fit 14 in a 75x. replicate the bottom layer then put 3 bags sideways across the top and 1 on either side of the 3. I'll update with a pic once I fix my 75x
top layer like so in 75X: 
2 hrs@ 20 psi does the trick;) im literally @ sealevel BTW
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26556150 - 03/24/20 11:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That’s a lot of grain, what’s your prep time on that many bags?
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: SynKyd]
#26556155 - 03/24/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I cook a 50# bag in a 14 gal brew kettle at a time and each 50# bag yields 24-26 4lb bags depending on when I catch it. about and hour and a hal;f to hydrate and I dry em overnight. depending on weather, they can be dry in a few hours. I spread them on painters tarps and use a rake to fluff and spread the grains so they dry faster
side note: if you're a light weight like me you'll need some help securing the lid once its this full
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26556165 - 03/24/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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are you noc'ing them all up at once?
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: AtmozFear]
#26556166 - 03/24/20 11:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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hell yeah! I do bag2bag xfers. I open like 8 at atime, pour, seal, then pour the rest and seal;). takes about 10-15 minutes to noc a load. 1 master bag to 1 pc load
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26556168 - 03/24/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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God damn I want one of those things.. jealous af
So each bag is less than 2qt?
Those x75s are 27qt total right?
Using tyvec sleeves for your g2g receiving bags?
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: c10h12n2o] 1
#26556172 - 03/24/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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nope, noope, nope... those bage weigh over 4 lbs. about 4.20 lbs to be specific1 myco qt= 1 lb. 4qt bags. and I can cram a 15th bag in the 75x if I feel like an asshole;)
tyvek, never. only pre-seal everything if Im gonna stack runs in a single day otherwise just the bottom layer like I mentioned
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26556173 - 03/24/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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jesus christ that's a lot of shrooms!
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: AtmozFear] 1
#26556176 - 03/24/20 11:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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only if done correctly
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26556192 - 03/25/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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awesome man! Do you usually use modded tubs or unmodded tubs? I'd like to see some stacks of modded tubs if you decide to go that way!
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: AtmozFear] 1
#26556198 - 03/25/20 12:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26556204 - 03/25/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks for the link!
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: AtmozFear]
#26556208 - 03/25/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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:hangloose:
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: AtmozFear]
#26556210 - 03/25/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Noice! Gettin shit done!
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26556219 - 03/25/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: nope, noope, nope... those bage weigh over 4 lbs. about 4.20 lbs to be specific1 myco qt= 1 lb. 4qt bags. and I can cram a 15th bag in the 75x if I feel like an asshole;)
tyvek, never. only pre-seal everything if Im gonna stack runs in a single day otherwise just the bottom layer like I mentioned
I feel like I'm missing something.. how do you fit 56 quarts of grain in a 27qt sterilizer? I think there is also a 41qt version of the 75x but I'm still not understanding the math. Maybe the difference is myco qt vs actual qt (I always deal in actual qts with bags, myco qt with jars), or maybe you have an even larger 75x?
Also how exactly do you prep your g2g bags that you dont use tyvek for and dont reseal?
Also how are you prepping bulk sub for batches that large?
Thanks for explaining
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26556224 - 03/25/20 12:42 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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the 75x is the 41 qt sterilizer.
I dont think anyone uses tyvek sleeves for bags anymore
1 actual qt=1 myco qt= 1 lb
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26556231 - 03/25/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I thought myco quarts were like 2/3 of an actual qt?
I dont see how you could fit 56 actual quarts in a 41 quart sterilizer, much less have room to add a drop of water. I feel like I'm missing something. I cant fit more than 22 in a 27qt
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: c10h12n2o] 1
#26556235 - 03/25/20 12:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I posted the pics, just replicate. I use a 1 qt scoop and put 4 in each bag. sometimes its heaping hence the 4.20 lbs . put a qt jar on a scale and zero it, then fill with grain. it will weigh 1 lb.
I've done this how do u say? a fuckton of times now and thought it was worth sharing. hope you like
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26556236 - 03/25/20 12:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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whats your preference for filter patch micron for rye?
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: Mycobum7]
#26556242 - 03/25/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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.2 and .5 both work fine. currently I have .5's but my last batch was .2's
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26556248 - 03/25/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ill post some pics of me making bags tomorrow and put em on the scale so u can see
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26556342 - 03/25/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Does .2 work with sealed bags for you?
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: poisoned]
#26556561 - 03/25/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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P r o f e s s i o n a l
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: AtmozFear]
#26556587 - 03/25/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: about 4.20 lbs to be specific

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AtmozFear said: jesus christ that's a lot of shrooms!
For fucking real! I thought i had my hands full with 80 jars/20 monos. You guys running bags must be pumping out some serious numbers and putting in some serious time!
Excellent thread Ted, definitely some good info regarding efficiency
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You may be surprised. With 80 jars that means more pc cycles, more transfers as opposed to bags.
Bags are a lot more effecient in the pc, way faster to g2g into 10 bags than to g2g into 40 jars (=same results).
It's way, way smarter to be using bags if youre using that many jars in terms of of time and energy in expanding.
Shaking 10 bags versus shaking 40 jars is a lot different too.
Yay working smart & not hard. And if you like to work hard well, this can get a lot more done with your time.
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I have yet to make the leap to bags, mainly because I prefer reusables and I assume bags aren't reusable. Is this a poor assumption?
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I wouldn't reuse and I don't know anyone who does.
Not using bags will hold you back a lot from effeciency and maximization but if you don't care then that's fine.
Bags are for people doing bulk, not a few tubs so maybe it's not meant for you.
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Yeah, I value reusability over efficiency. Which is why I do no-pour glass petris and will continue with my quart jars. Noccing 10 jars a week, spawning 5 shoeboxes a week keeps my shelves full (about 30 atm) and is about all I can handle anyway.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26556777 - 03/25/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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no noticeable difference with contam / success rate
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: Mycobum7]
#26556809 - 03/25/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm assuming bags can't be used without the flowhood? Is my assumption right?
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: poisoned]
#26556837 - 03/25/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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poisoned said: I'm assuming bags can't be used without the flowhood? Is my assumption right?
well i believe with some bags you can pre seal if the filter patch breathes enough but if it doesnt they can blow
some people seal after pc
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: Mycobum7]
#26556947 - 03/25/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm more afraid of air currents that will happen when you try to noc them up. With jars, there aren't any. With bags, there's a shit ton every time you move it.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: poisoned]
#26556967 - 03/25/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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poisoned said: I'm more afraid of air currents that will happen when you try to noc them up. With jars, there aren't any. With bags, there's a shit ton every time you move it.
Great point.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: AtmozFear] 1
#26556973 - 03/25/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fuck yeah Ted! Killin it.
Bags can be used without a hood but it's a pain in the ass.
.5 or .2 can be presealed. Giving them no room to swell helps avoiding bursting/ pin holes. That's why we cram the PC as full as possible. Also it's just nice to get as much done as you can.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: AtmozFear]
#26556975 - 03/25/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have only tried to use bags 1 time so far since Crack posted how he does it.
I have some .5 micron patch bags, and I loaded 4 into my 23qt presto
None of my bags sealed and now I find myself looking to pre-sealing as my solution. But I see plenty of you having no problem not pre-sealing..
I used 3.5 quarts of water, the trivet and some rings to raise the bottom layer up
PC'd at 15 psi for 3 hours and I didn't do much to slow the cool down, just reduced heat for about 20 mins and then cut the heat off and let it cool overnight
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: Camera93]
#26557027 - 03/25/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Getting as much air out as possible, folding nicely and packing righ tightly all help them seal well upon cool down. I'd they are allowed to expand they get all wonky and dunt seal well.
Also, prestos are a pain in the ass when using bags. I haven't figured that all out because I don't do bags in it much.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26557246 - 03/25/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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+5 btw, thanks for breaking it all down for us
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Quote:
filthyknees said: You may be surprised. With 80 jars that means more pc cycles, more transfers as opposed to bags.
Bags are a lot more effecient in the pc, way faster to g2g into 10 bags than to g2g into 40 jars (=same results).
It's way, way smarter to be using bags if youre using that many jars in terms of of time and energy in expanding.
Shaking 10 bags versus shaking 40 jars is a lot different too.
Yay working smart & not hard. And if you like to work hard well, this can get a lot more done with your time.

less is more!
also, I was maybe enjoying the fruits of my lobor a bit last night I definitely meant myco qts not a full to the brim qt jar. bags are 4lbs and usually a tad over and end up at 4.20 after inoculation
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verum subsequentis said: Getting as much air out as possible, folding nicely and packing righ tightly all help them seal well upon cool down. I'd they are allowed to expand they get all wonky and dunt seal well.
Also, prestos are a pain in the ass when using bags. I haven't figured that all out because I don't do bags in it much.
exactly! when I try to put in only 4 or 6 bags and dont weigh them down properly, they over expand and burst more often thatn not. never burst with this method
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26557936 - 03/25/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Damn that is a lot of bags in one pc!
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hehehehehe....
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#26557997 - 03/25/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Now that is probably the coolest thing I’ve seen regarding a PC. I do like 30 bags per run and dread the PC cycles so this raise some questions for me. When you say you seal the bottoms you mean the opening where you put grains in? How do your bags not stick to each other and the walls? Every tek Ive seen recommends putting metal rings between bags and walls. If this is truly possible I’m getting one of these quite soon.
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I seal the bottom LAYER of bags no rings cause I run em at 20PSI for 2 hrs not 15. make sure steam vents. now, some who may try this may see some water squirt out the vent on heat up. just put a towel over the vent to soak up the excess water until it stops and starts steaming. it just means u filled it a tad too high but no worries
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26558203 - 03/26/20 01:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you opening the x75 in front of the fh? Or are you just carrying the unsealed bags in the open air? If so, Do you wipe them with alcohol or anything before inoculation?
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26558347 - 03/26/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Damn Ted! I’ve been wondering exactly how all the numbers break down. I really appreciate all of this, especially the fact that you shared the amount of spawn you can expect starting with a #50 bag. This will save some of us a lot of time not having to measure so much.
I was having a lot of contamination problems with oats, so I’m going to switch back to rye starting tomorrow. I’ve always soaked rye for at least 8 hours before boiling and drying. Do you presoak? Also, are you running one 4.20lb bag per tub?
One thing about spawn and contamination- I’m pretty sure the chances of contamination are greatly increased when the center of the grain isn’t properly hydrated. I spent months trying different prep methods all with the same batch of oats, and the only batch that did not go green before the first flush was the one I let soak for 16-18 hours starting with warm tap water. I also never even boiled it, just soaked and drained and pc’ed.
The batches before this I was trying no soak/no simmer and all of those showed contamination well after the bags fully colonized and spawned to tubs. It appears that oats really need a good soak before sterilization. The oddest part was- when I finally did see fruits on the oat tubs, they were the best/heaviest first flushes I’ve ever had. The ms pe tubs I posted in the mega boner thread were from that batch of oats and they came in at just over 6oz per tub first flush but then immediately contaminated a couple days after harvesting. The green was in there the whole time. Some other tubs of no PE from that same run of oats pushed out over 5oz first flush, but also went green before second flush. Now I have a love hate relationship with oats...it’s been a lot of disappointments, but somehow provided the best performing single flushes to date.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26558823 - 03/26/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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c10h12n2o said: Are you opening the x75 in front of the fh? Or are you just carrying the unsealed bags in the open air? If so, Do you wipe them with alcohol or anything before inoculation?
I open in front of the hood and dont whipe mostly. when I steam bags, which I havent in a bit they sit outside and on the floor and I wipe em but thats alot of time.
@lovepotion: yeah, 1 bag per tub. I find that you can overhydrate grains for bags more than jars and get away with it. but I like my grains on the dryish side. I get the water to start boiling, turn off the heat and wait til the grains fill up to the pot then drain
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26559411 - 03/26/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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First off, phenomenal information. Thank you.
Are you spawning to coir? If so, what are you using to do large batches? I saw someone using a 50 gallon drum with an earth auger to maintain equal water field capacity. Unfortunately, I’m not in a location I can do that. Just seeing if there was an alternative route.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: Surf707]
#26559430 - 03/26/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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i asked the same question, answer was a giant tub and a shovel 
trying that today
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26559736 - 03/26/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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super simple, sounds too easy! thank you for the reply
For those asking about mixing large batches of coir- check out home depot, they just started carrying super large (50 gallon I believe) storage totes. The black ones with bright yellow lids. It is possible to mix up 11kg bricks of coir in one of those, plus all the vermiculite which is enough for about 20 tubs at a time (each get 530 grams dry coir and 190 grams vermiculite and 950ml of water). Do the math and adjust accordingly. I recommend marking a 5 gallon bucket with the amount needed for each tub and using that as a scooper for each tub. I don't even use a shovel, just some rubber gloves and elbow grease. Ive also used an all purpose mixer on a corded drill which is way easier
But maybe ted or someone else has an even more simplified method
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those are nice but break reall easy. feed troughs work very well
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26559880 - 03/26/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ted types the truth. With the mixing paddles I've broken a couple so far.
Have to upgrade to metal troughs.
those tough totes last a minute, but they'll break.
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This thread got me thinking about if its possible to get more than 4 bags into a presto. I lowered my grain per bag down to 4lbs and got 6 in there!  Here are the 4 in the bottom after the run, the other 2 sit on top. Grain is wheat.

It seemed to work well, we will just have to wait to find out if they completely sterilized. Ran it at 15psi for 3.5 hours. This changes up the game for me honestly. Now with my two prestos can churn out 24 bags a day.
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rickyswamps said: This thread got me thinking about if its possible to get more than 4 bags into a presto. I lowered my grain per bag down to 4lbs and got 6 in there!  Here are the 4 in the bottom after the run, the other 2 sit on top. Grain is wheat.

It seemed to work well, we will just have to wait to find out if they completely sterilized. Ran it at 15psi for 3.5 hours. This changes up the game for me honestly. Now with my two prestos can churn out 24 bags a day.
bet yopu could fit 8
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26560658 - 03/27/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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 I think this is the max lol. Unless I don't put a plate on top. But that doesn't seem like a great idea. I've also got them elevated off the bottom a bit too….
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rickyswamps said: This thread got me thinking about if its possible to get more than 4 bags into a presto. I lowered my grain per bag down to 4lbs and got 6 in there!  Here are the 4 in the bottom after the run, the other 2 sit on top. Grain is wheat.

It seemed to work well, we will just have to wait to find out if they completely sterilized. Ran it at 15psi for 3.5 hours. This changes up the game for me honestly. Now with my two prestos can churn out 24 bags a day.
I still don’t understand how them are not sticking to the walls and each other, IME if a bag touches a wall or another bag it will melt. How is this possible? I’d love to know if got the presto as of now and would love to run it with 8 bags.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26560761 - 03/27/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: I cook a 50# bag in a 14 gal brew kettle at a time and each 50# bag yields 24-26 4lb bags depending on when I catch it. about and hour and a hal;f to hydrate and I dry em overnight. depending on weather, they can be dry in a few hours. I spread them on painters tarps and use a rake to fluff and spread the grains so they dry faster
side note: if you're a light weight like me you'll need some help securing the lid once its this full;)
I looked into those 14 gal brew kettles, you must do a soak only because I don’t how you’d hear one of those up, what tek do you use for the rye?
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rickyswamps said: This thread got me thinking about if its possible to get more than 4 bags into a presto. I lowered my grain per bag down to 4lbs and got 6 in there!  Here are the 4 in the bottom after the run, the other 2 sit on top. Grain is wheat.

It seemed to work well, we will just have to wait to find out if they completely sterilized. Ran it at 15psi for 3.5 hours. This changes up the game for me honestly. Now with my two prestos can churn out 24 bags a day.
I still don’t understand how them are not sticking to the walls and each other, IME if a bag touches a wall or another bag it will melt. How is this possible? I’d love to know if got the presto as of now and would love to run it with 8 bags.
They don't melt from touching each other. Maybe you had some bad quality bags. They could get weak from touching the walls so I just baby them. There are 3 rows of jar lids under the trivet to keep them off the bottom. I never turn the stove heat on past medium high and am using an electric stove. Have heard that gas stoves if turned up too high can melt bags.
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only shitty bags melt. long ago I melted some "imposter" unicorn bags. never bought those again.
no rye soak, just bring to a boil, cut heat, and let em swell til theyre done. heat with the same type propane burner one would use when brewing. bayou classic, camp chef
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26561149 - 03/27/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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only shitty bags melt. long ago I melted some "imposter" unicorn bags. never bought those again.
no rye soak, just bring to a boil, cut heat, and let em swell til theyre done. heat with the same type propane burner one would use when brewing. bayou classic, camp chef what would be your recommendation?
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someone that you know carries verified unicorn bags. not sure these days but I get mine straight from the source.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26561347 - 03/27/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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So do you recommend the unicorn bags?
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26561357 - 03/27/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: someone that you know carries verified unicorn bags. not sure these days but I get mine straight from the source.
Just look up the website, guess so know where I’ll be getting my bags. A canning rack should do the job verse 3 layers of rings right? By the way I seen you said you fit 14 bags in there but in the picture shows 9 on top and bottom 18. Either way that’s outstanding I run anywhere from 18-25 tubs at once this will really shorten prep times.
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More on unicorn bags there are like 30 styles which series do you use? By the way the bottom ones being pre sealed, do you use alternative methods of inoculation?
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TedsDead said: someone that you know carries verified unicorn bags. not sure these days but I get mine straight from the source.
Just look up the website, guess so know where I’ll be getting my bags. A canning rack should do the job verse 3 layers of rings right? By the way I seen you said you fit 14 bags in there but in the picture shows 9 on top and bottom 18. Either way that’s outstanding I run anywhere from 18-25 tubs at once this will really shorten prep times.
dont use a canning rack! it has sharp edges where the wires join that puncture the bags when they inflate.
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I sure do! other brands have had un-even thickness and cause on side to blkow out and be weak for the shaking or burst/melt and they often melt in the sealer as well.
I use the unicorn style type 3-B and 3-A. thats the 8x5x19" bags B is the 0.5 micron filter and A is the 0.2. I like em both
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26561454 - 03/27/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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the 14 bags is in the 75X and the 18 is in the 941
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26561613 - 03/27/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok I’ll remember that well I’m going get 941. Just to make sure I got it straight, implies seal the bottom bags, you can either seal top or leave open correct? What’s the inoculation method you use on the sealed ones. Sorry blow up the forum with questions I definitely doing this now, this is much appreciated I was about buy 2 941 spend $1000. Everything touching each other just blows my mind.
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they stick a bit, jsut pull em apart
correct, on the sealing. you can pre-seal everything and teke em out for multiple runs if u want or just do the bottom layer. honesty. I hope you have at least a bit of pc experience before you go balls deep with this. it takes at least a bit of pc knowhow and confidence to perform correctly. please be safe! and glad you're enthused
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26562085 - 03/27/20 08:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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pc'ing made me nervous at first... the fucking purge makes it sound industrial.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26562642 - 03/28/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: they stick a bit, jsut pull em apart;)
correct, on the sealing. you can pre-seal everything and teke em out for multiple runs if u want or just do the bottom layer. honesty. I hope you have at least a bit of pc experience before you go balls deep with this. it takes at least a bit of pc knowhow and confidence to perform correctly. please be safe! and glad you're enthused
Been cultivating for about 3 years and had many runs, how do you knock up those seal bags w/o injection ports?
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I pour from 1 bag into the others. I open up about 6-7 at atime and pour, seal, then pour and seal the rest. I can noc a load in about 15 minutes that way
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26563354 - 03/28/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Appreciate all your help I was so surprise by this post as I mention early was going but 2 941 hahah not now.
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awesome! yeah, doubling up. I used to think you could just do 9 but started experimenting and adding more each un until I got to 18
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26563653 - 03/28/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Any idea on the amount you can do in a 23 q Presto for your size bags? My oat bags are coming in at 5.7 lbs and I can fit 4 in there. But that’s also before I realized you can stack them on the side.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26563752 - 03/28/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not sure you could run the presto w unsealed bags, maybe someone knows better, but I'd be worried about it sucking in dirty air on the cooldown
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They need to give you an affiliate code for 941s and 75x hahaha.. you'd be making bank right now
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26563804 - 03/28/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I’m zip tying right now. Gonna make the switch to impulse sealer. Is there any chance of water being sucked up into the filter patch? Or should I just raise the rack a little more?
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: c10h12n2o]
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c10h12n2o said: I'm not sure you could run the presto w unsealed bags, maybe someone knows better, but I'd be worried about it sucking in dirty air on the cooldown
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TedsDead said: awesome! yeah, doubling up. I used to think you could just do 9 but started experimenting and adding more each un until I got to 18
They need to give you an affiliate code for 941s and 75x hahaha.. you'd be making bank right now
Affiliate code? I’m lost, you mean you can’t buy those models?
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26584553 - 04/07/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Recommended cook time in 941 at 15psi?Is 15psi enough to penetrate 18 bags?
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im not personally sure. I do 20 psi for 2 hrs, sometimes a bit longer and Im literally at sealevel. Im sure youd be fine with 3 hrs to be safe
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Sea level here to right on coast. That’s kinda what I was figuring.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26585708 - 04/08/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I use the unicorn style type 3-B and 3-A. thats the 8x5x19" bags B is the 0.5 micron filter and A is the 0.2. I like em both
14A's are the 0.5 micron bags. 3T's are the 0.2 micron bags.
3B's are 5.0 micron. You don't want those lol. And I don't see any 3As on their website. They now have biodegradable versions of all their bags which is awesome. That will definitely be what I buy next…If I can ever get through the first box
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yeah, I was just guessing on the filter types. although I have used the 5 micron filters before with success. thanks for checking on that! I use the A-type filters then but ya, Ive used a couple 1,000 b filters with success.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26586131 - 04/08/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Probably wouldnt wanna try this on a glass top stove
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#26586139 - 04/08/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OXO-biodegradation
Those biodegradable bags are probably worse for the environment, but hey marketing what people like to hear is good for revenue.
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bodhisatta said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OXO-biodegradation
Those biodegradable bags are probably worse for the environment, but hey marketing what people like to hear is good for revenue.
Really I was going buy into that maybe not? What would you recommend in disposing of like 50bags a month?
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the plastic degrades into the soil instead of staying in bag form. I agree with bod there
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Those biodegradable bags are probably worse for the environment, but hey marketing what people like to hear is good for revenue.
I had heard that biodegradable plastics leave micro polymers behind and don't fully compost. Then read on Unicorn's site: "In a nutshell, our bags bio-degrade quite well and the end result is CO2, water and humus – pretty much what is left after you grow your mushrooms. No microplastics remain."
https://unicornbags.com/testing-bio-degradeable-bags/ Dunno, maybe it has to do with degrading them in a laboratory versus in a real life scenario.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: poisoned]
#26656734 - 05/08/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ted, are those 4.2 lb bags yielding as good as higher spawn amounts? Like say 5-6 lb bags. I like being able to cram more bags per run in the PCs but don't want to sacrifice yield per tub.
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yeah, theyre yielding just as good. I used to use 5lb bags but didnt notice any difference in yield.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
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Super Deadly! Can you please elaborate a bit on PC time? I have 3T unicorn bags and 2x23 QT prestos. I live in the mountains of southern Canada. I was thinking ~4 QT bags (maybe 3.5 QT in the bag and .5 QT colonized grain into it.... Thoughts anyone? Thanks.
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I can fit 6, 4 qt bags of popcorn (4.2lbs) snugly into pc. I do a ten minute purge and then 16 psi for 2 hours.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: Surf707]
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Surf707 said: I can fit 6, 4 qt bags of popcorn (4.2lbs) snugly into pc. I do a ten minute purge and then 16 psi for 2 hours.
Thank You! Do you use spacers/tyvek sleeves/foil liner/jar lids/pillow case or anything?
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None of those things.
I do 2 hrs at 20psi if u wanna fit that many
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
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I still gotta try this.
Ted- Are you bringing the aa75x all the way up to pressure, then relieving it back to 0 then then all the way back up to pressure before starting the timer? Or can you get away with a 5 minute vent in the beginning like with a stove top presto?
I ask because the user manual recommends doing it like that. It takes a long long time to get thru an entire cycle!
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i don't know what ted does but i was popping a lot of bags when i first got my 75. Then i stopped with the prescribed vent and went with the good ol ten minute of good steam and they stopped popping.
As always correlation does not imply causation but it seemed like that's what changed to fix the popping.
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No relieving at pressure. Thats for lab equiptment. 10 minute vent as verum prescribed. The manual isnt talking about sterilizing grain bags.
I cant find the thread but this was being talked about a while back and venting at pressure can definitely pop bags
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What would the max cram be for a 23 and 17 presto with 3 rings and a trivet?
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Now, Ive never done this myself but have heard of people cramming 8 bags into a presto 23 and getting away with it. Im not 100% sure of the stacking logistics
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uhhhgg there are few things more upsetting than repeatedly popping/melting bags. Thank you both for the mindful answers, the 10 min vent will save me at least an hour and a half per cycle!
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I was able to fit six 4.5lb bags in, with a layer of rings+trivet+plate on top, pretty comfortably in my 23qt presto. A little lighter on the spawn per bag and i'm sure you could squeeze another bag'r'too.
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MLPismyOPSEC said: I was able to fit six 4.5lb bags in, with a layer of rings+trivet+plate on top, pretty comfortably in my 23qt presto. A little lighter on the spawn per bag and i'm sure you could squeeze another bag'r'too.
Can you please explain the layering with trivet/plate/rings? How'd you do it layer wise? Thanks.
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3 rings in a triangle against the walls of the pc covered by the trivet.
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@ted
Did i read correctly that you run a full load of bags for only 2 hr @20psi? I always run way longer to try to compensate for poor airflow, and talked to a few of our mutual friends who suggested 3-4hr for a full bag load
I guess when you are rockin the kinda volume you rock every hour of efficiency counts
Thanks again for all the 75x tips when i first got mine, you helped me a ton!!
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MLPismyOPSEC said: I was able to fit six 4.5lb bags in, with a layer of rings+trivet+plate on top, pretty comfortably in my 23qt presto. A little lighter on the spawn per bag and i'm sure you could squeeze another bag'r'too.
Can you please explain the layering with trivet/plate/rings? How'd you do it layer wise? Thanks.
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JHOVA said: 3 rings in a triangle against the walls of the pc covered by the trivet.
Yep! Apologies, i could have been clearer. Three jar rings on the bottom, trivet on top of the rings, load bags as high as you can, dinner plate on top of the bags (or another trivet, or wire rack, something to keep the bags away from the gauge+valve).
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: JHOVA]
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JHOVA said: 3 rings in a triangle against the walls of the pc covered by the trivet.
So a trivet on the top and bottom? Soo many mixed opinions on this. I have two prestos that come with trivets. Some use a pillow case, some use rings, some use nothing.... Hoping on moving colonized jars to larger 3T bags (~4 lb) and then one bag per 66 L tote with sub at ~2:1 sub to grain.
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@c10: thats what I do. I havent had any issues yet. Admitedly tho sometimes I let it slip a little past 20 psi
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First off thanks for putting this thread together guys; great info and exactly what I need right now.
@MLPismyOPSEC
my dog has been doing high-throughput G2G transfers but G2 -> G3 has been a huge bottleneck, especially with limited availiability of jars right now. He ordered 75 of the 3T unicorn bags and plans to start with them tomorrow to sterilize the usual amount of WBS; normally this amount (4 heaping quart scoops of dry WBS) does about 14 prepared mycoquarts.
The soaked and simmered WBS is prepared 7 myco quarts at a time in a 23Qt Presto like you are using. Normally it takes two runs of 90m @15+psi to do the 14 total mycoquarts. Have not seen any contams whatsoever with many g2g transfers being performed so far.
Planning to do the G2G transfer in a SAB as before. But wondering exactly how to pack the bags into the PC for cooking to attain a good seal.
Can he orient the bags in a certain way to ensure they are self sealing without using an impulse? Can you elaborate on how you roll/stack your bags?
I will try and post a pic of how he cooks tomorrow.
Thanks!!
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@MLPismyOPSEC
my dog has been doing high-throughput G2G transfers but G2 -> G3 has been a huge bottleneck, especially with limited availiability of jars right now. He ordered 75 of the 3T unicorn bags and plans to start with them tomorrow to sterilize the usual amount of WBS; normally this amount (4 heaping quart scoops of dry WBS) does about 14 prepared mycoquarts.
The soaked and simmered WBS is prepared 7 myco quarts at a time in a 23Qt Presto like you are using. Normally it takes two runs of 90m @15+psi to do the 14 total mycoquarts. Have not seen any contams whatsoever with many g2g transfers being performed so far.
Planning to do the G2G transfer in a SAB as before. But wondering exactly how to pack the bags into the PC for cooking to attain a good seal.
Can he orient the bags in a certain way to ensure they are self sealing without using an impulse? Can you elaborate on how you roll/stack your bags?
I will try and post a pic of how he cooks tomorrow.
Thanks!!
I watched a good video on youtube last night from Mossy Creek Mushrooms titled "Follow along as we show how to sterilize grain mushroom growing substrate using a pressure cooker" I intend on using this methodology for my first try, but welcome any additional feedback to reduce holes in the bags. I'm using two Prestos. Jars have been inoculated using MSS and will G2G to ~4 lb grain in bags. Hoping to use one per 66L mono tub (w/coir sub). First run, so still learning a lot. Thoughts anyone?
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Today was my dog's first day using bags; I need to get the pics together and post them.
So far he's been spawning 7 mycoquarts (approx 7.5lbs colonized WBS) per 1lb dry coco (un-amended, prepared with bucket tek) in 54qt unmodified tubs. the first tub was birthed 10/5 but no pins as of yet. There is plenty in the pipeline.
Today's bags ended up being 4x ~3.5lbs each. And I think he will end up using only 1 bag per tub from now on, effectively halving the spawn rate. He has read from other threads that more spawn isn't always better.
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Looks good mah dawg! Honestly, with how much room is left, it looks like you could have fit another four 3.5lb bags. You can stuff that bitch. Ditch the alcohol soaked towel though, it's not useful.
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Thanks big guy. It may be time to double up on the PC loading and go for 8x total bags but it's very ambitious... now thebottleneck is the tiny SAB that can only do ~1 bag at a time (bags are actually more unwieldy than jars in there).
Maybe time to build a Laminar Flowhood???
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I know some peeps that do 8 in the presto
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Yeah bags suck big butthole in a SAB. Definitely go with a flowhood if you've got the expendable income, at least 24x24.
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@MLP the LFH is definitely going to be the most effective way to increase efficiency right now! But I need to do research on how to fab the cabinet/plenum.
On a positive note; even with ghetto duct-tape sealing in a SAB, the bags are almost fully colonized after 5 days. Probably owing to a high spawn rate; ~1lb colonized WBS in a qt jar to the bags containing 3.5lbs WBS.
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you might find my flow hood build interesting, i recently added all the files i used for modeling it in software
also details my old SAB which was optimized for bags (custom plexi cabinet in a closet with a hinged door for bags)
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@c10h12n20 That's some incredible workmanship!!! I'll definitely look into doing your build but might need some additional tools... maybe if Santa rewards me this year
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
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Awesome tek man thanks for the share. What kind of canning rack do you use on the bottom? The canning rack that came with my 941 isn't tall enough to raise the bottom bags out of the water once I fill it to the fill line. Thanks in advance
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I use the one it came with. Its fine that the bags sit in the water. Once it gets up to pressure the whole pc will be the same temperatyre so it doesnt matter as long as the tops of the bags are in the water
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
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Thanks for the quick reply man . Do you mean as long as the tops aren't in the water? Also I didn't get the sterilizer directly from Wisconsin aluminum so my rack might be different. I guess that shouldn't matter if water touching the bottom of the bags doesn't matter.
Another problem I'm running into is keeping the sterilizer in the sterilization zone. I use an adjustable propane hose and it seems the only way to get it hot enough is to get it passed 12 psi and turn it down to its lowest setting. But even when I put it on its lowest setting; it slowly creeps up to passed 20 and needs to vent which would burst the bags. But if I don't get it that hot it wont go passed 10-12 PSI no matter how long I wait. Is there a fixed temp propane hose / burner that you use or anything else you use to keep it in the sterilization zone? Its probably important to note that I'm running the sterilizers in 20-30 degree weather.
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you just need to run it a few times and get a feel for adjusting it. what kind of burner are you using? Ive run mine on the porch in the snow so, we should be able to get yours working for ya. once its up to pressure youi dont need that much heat
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That should be perfect
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
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How did you go about coiling the air toggle valve tube? Is it okay if it touches the bags?
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You should have a trivet on top of the bags. I just sorta tie the tube in a loose knot
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So just tie it in a loose not and let lay it on top of the trivet? I can not thank you enough for the fast replies and all the free game man I really appreciate it a lot
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Ya, after you cucle it a couple times it will stay like that. U can hold it with a rubberband if the knot keeps coming undone at first
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