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TedsDead



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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: JHOVA]
#26971849 - 10/06/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Now, Ive never done this myself but have heard of people cramming 8 bags into a presto 23 and getting away with it. Im not 100% sure of the stacking logistics
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uhhhgg there are few things more upsetting than repeatedly popping/melting bags. Thank you both for the mindful answers, the 10 min vent will save me at least an hour and a half per cycle!
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I was able to fit six 4.5lb bags in, with a layer of rings+trivet+plate on top, pretty comfortably in my 23qt presto. A little lighter on the spawn per bag and i'm sure you could squeeze another bag'r'too.
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MLPismyOPSEC said: I was able to fit six 4.5lb bags in, with a layer of rings+trivet+plate on top, pretty comfortably in my 23qt presto. A little lighter on the spawn per bag and i'm sure you could squeeze another bag'r'too.
Can you please explain the layering with trivet/plate/rings? How'd you do it layer wise? Thanks.
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3 rings in a triangle against the walls of the pc covered by the trivet.
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@ted
Did i read correctly that you run a full load of bags for only 2 hr @20psi? I always run way longer to try to compensate for poor airflow, and talked to a few of our mutual friends who suggested 3-4hr for a full bag load
I guess when you are rockin the kinda volume you rock every hour of efficiency counts
Thanks again for all the 75x tips when i first got mine, you helped me a ton!!
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MLPismyOPSEC said: I was able to fit six 4.5lb bags in, with a layer of rings+trivet+plate on top, pretty comfortably in my 23qt presto. A little lighter on the spawn per bag and i'm sure you could squeeze another bag'r'too.
Can you please explain the layering with trivet/plate/rings? How'd you do it layer wise? Thanks.
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#26973587 - 10/07/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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JHOVA said: 3 rings in a triangle against the walls of the pc covered by the trivet.
Yep! Apologies, i could have been clearer. Three jar rings on the bottom, trivet on top of the rings, load bags as high as you can, dinner plate on top of the bags (or another trivet, or wire rack, something to keep the bags away from the gauge+valve).
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: JHOVA]
#26973750 - 10/07/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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JHOVA said: 3 rings in a triangle against the walls of the pc covered by the trivet.
So a trivet on the top and bottom? Soo many mixed opinions on this. I have two prestos that come with trivets. Some use a pillow case, some use rings, some use nothing.... Hoping on moving colonized jars to larger 3T bags (~4 lb) and then one bag per 66 L tote with sub at ~2:1 sub to grain.
Any tips are appreciated.
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@c10: thats what I do. I havent had any issues yet. Admitedly tho sometimes I let it slip a little past 20 psi
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead] 1
#26987761 - 10/15/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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First off thanks for putting this thread together guys; great info and exactly what I need right now.
@MLPismyOPSEC
my dog has been doing high-throughput G2G transfers but G2 -> G3 has been a huge bottleneck, especially with limited availiability of jars right now. He ordered 75 of the 3T unicorn bags and plans to start with them tomorrow to sterilize the usual amount of WBS; normally this amount (4 heaping quart scoops of dry WBS) does about 14 prepared mycoquarts.
The soaked and simmered WBS is prepared 7 myco quarts at a time in a 23Qt Presto like you are using. Normally it takes two runs of 90m @15+psi to do the 14 total mycoquarts. Have not seen any contams whatsoever with many g2g transfers being performed so far.
Planning to do the G2G transfer in a SAB as before. But wondering exactly how to pack the bags into the PC for cooking to attain a good seal.
Can he orient the bags in a certain way to ensure they are self sealing without using an impulse? Can you elaborate on how you roll/stack your bags?
I will try and post a pic of how he cooks tomorrow.
Thanks!!
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BubbaShrump said: First off thanks for putting this thread together guys; great info and exactly what I need right now.
@MLPismyOPSEC
my dog has been doing high-throughput G2G transfers but G2 -> G3 has been a huge bottleneck, especially with limited availiability of jars right now. He ordered 75 of the 3T unicorn bags and plans to start with them tomorrow to sterilize the usual amount of WBS; normally this amount (4 heaping quart scoops of dry WBS) does about 14 prepared mycoquarts.
The soaked and simmered WBS is prepared 7 myco quarts at a time in a 23Qt Presto like you are using. Normally it takes two runs of 90m @15+psi to do the 14 total mycoquarts. Have not seen any contams whatsoever with many g2g transfers being performed so far.
Planning to do the G2G transfer in a SAB as before. But wondering exactly how to pack the bags into the PC for cooking to attain a good seal.
Can he orient the bags in a certain way to ensure they are self sealing without using an impulse? Can you elaborate on how you roll/stack your bags?
I will try and post a pic of how he cooks tomorrow.
Thanks!!
I watched a good video on youtube last night from Mossy Creek Mushrooms titled "Follow along as we show how to sterilize grain mushroom growing substrate using a pressure cooker" I intend on using this methodology for my first try, but welcome any additional feedback to reduce holes in the bags. I'm using two Prestos. Jars have been inoculated using MSS and will G2G to ~4 lb grain in bags. Hoping to use one per 66L mono tub (w/coir sub). First run, so still learning a lot. Thoughts anyone?
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Today was my dog's first day using bags; I need to get the pics together and post them.
So far he's been spawning 7 mycoquarts (approx 7.5lbs colonized WBS) per 1lb dry coco (un-amended, prepared with bucket tek) in 54qt unmodified tubs. the first tub was birthed 10/5 but no pins as of yet. There is plenty in the pipeline.
Today's bags ended up being 4x ~3.5lbs each. And I think he will end up using only 1 bag per tub from now on, effectively halving the spawn rate. He has read from other threads that more spawn isn't always better.
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Your dog or your dawg?
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my doge!!
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Looks good mah dawg! Honestly, with how much room is left, it looks like you could have fit another four 3.5lb bags. You can stuff that bitch. Ditch the alcohol soaked towel though, it's not useful.
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Thanks big guy. It may be time to double up on the PC loading and go for 8x total bags but it's very ambitious... now thebottleneck is the tiny SAB that can only do ~1 bag at a time (bags are actually more unwieldy than jars in there).
Maybe time to build a Laminar Flowhood???
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I know some peeps that do 8 in the presto
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26993456 - 10/19/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah bags suck big butthole in a SAB. Definitely go with a flowhood if you've got the expendable income, at least 24x24.
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@MLP the LFH is definitely going to be the most effective way to increase efficiency right now! But I need to do research on how to fab the cabinet/plenum.
On a positive note; even with ghetto duct-tape sealing in a SAB, the bags are almost fully colonized after 5 days. Probably owing to a high spawn rate; ~1lb colonized WBS in a qt jar to the bags containing 3.5lbs WBS.
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