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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead] 1
#26557997 - 03/25/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Now that is probably the coolest thing I’ve seen regarding a PC. I do like 30 bags per run and dread the PC cycles so this raise some questions for me. When you say you seal the bottoms you mean the opening where you put grains in? How do your bags not stick to each other and the walls? Every tek Ive seen recommends putting metal rings between bags and walls. If this is truly possible I’m getting one of these quite soon.
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I seal the bottom LAYER of bags no rings cause I run em at 20PSI for 2 hrs not 15. make sure steam vents. now, some who may try this may see some water squirt out the vent on heat up. just put a towel over the vent to soak up the excess water until it stops and starts steaming. it just means u filled it a tad too high but no worries
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26558203 - 03/26/20 01:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you opening the x75 in front of the fh? Or are you just carrying the unsealed bags in the open air? If so, Do you wipe them with alcohol or anything before inoculation?
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26558347 - 03/26/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Damn Ted! I’ve been wondering exactly how all the numbers break down. I really appreciate all of this, especially the fact that you shared the amount of spawn you can expect starting with a #50 bag. This will save some of us a lot of time not having to measure so much.
I was having a lot of contamination problems with oats, so I’m going to switch back to rye starting tomorrow. I’ve always soaked rye for at least 8 hours before boiling and drying. Do you presoak? Also, are you running one 4.20lb bag per tub?
One thing about spawn and contamination- I’m pretty sure the chances of contamination are greatly increased when the center of the grain isn’t properly hydrated. I spent months trying different prep methods all with the same batch of oats, and the only batch that did not go green before the first flush was the one I let soak for 16-18 hours starting with warm tap water. I also never even boiled it, just soaked and drained and pc’ed.
The batches before this I was trying no soak/no simmer and all of those showed contamination well after the bags fully colonized and spawned to tubs. It appears that oats really need a good soak before sterilization. The oddest part was- when I finally did see fruits on the oat tubs, they were the best/heaviest first flushes I’ve ever had. The ms pe tubs I posted in the mega boner thread were from that batch of oats and they came in at just over 6oz per tub first flush but then immediately contaminated a couple days after harvesting. The green was in there the whole time. Some other tubs of no PE from that same run of oats pushed out over 5oz first flush, but also went green before second flush. Now I have a love hate relationship with oats...it’s been a lot of disappointments, but somehow provided the best performing single flushes to date.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: c10h12n2o]
#26558823 - 03/26/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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c10h12n2o said: Are you opening the x75 in front of the fh? Or are you just carrying the unsealed bags in the open air? If so, Do you wipe them with alcohol or anything before inoculation?
I open in front of the hood and dont whipe mostly. when I steam bags, which I havent in a bit they sit outside and on the floor and I wipe em but thats alot of time.
@lovepotion: yeah, 1 bag per tub. I find that you can overhydrate grains for bags more than jars and get away with it. but I like my grains on the dryish side. I get the water to start boiling, turn off the heat and wait til the grains fill up to the pot then drain
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26559411 - 03/26/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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First off, phenomenal information. Thank you.
Are you spawning to coir? If so, what are you using to do large batches? I saw someone using a 50 gallon drum with an earth auger to maintain equal water field capacity. Unfortunately, I’m not in a location I can do that. Just seeing if there was an alternative route.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: Surf707]
#26559430 - 03/26/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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i asked the same question, answer was a giant tub and a shovel 
trying that today
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26559736 - 03/26/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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super simple, sounds too easy! thank you for the reply
For those asking about mixing large batches of coir- check out home depot, they just started carrying super large (50 gallon I believe) storage totes. The black ones with bright yellow lids. It is possible to mix up 11kg bricks of coir in one of those, plus all the vermiculite which is enough for about 20 tubs at a time (each get 530 grams dry coir and 190 grams vermiculite and 950ml of water). Do the math and adjust accordingly. I recommend marking a 5 gallon bucket with the amount needed for each tub and using that as a scooper for each tub. I don't even use a shovel, just some rubber gloves and elbow grease. Ive also used an all purpose mixer on a corded drill which is way easier
But maybe ted or someone else has an even more simplified method
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those are nice but break reall easy. feed troughs work very well
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26559880 - 03/26/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ted types the truth. With the mixing paddles I've broken a couple so far.
Have to upgrade to metal troughs.
those tough totes last a minute, but they'll break.
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This thread got me thinking about if its possible to get more than 4 bags into a presto. I lowered my grain per bag down to 4lbs and got 6 in there!  Here are the 4 in the bottom after the run, the other 2 sit on top. Grain is wheat.

It seemed to work well, we will just have to wait to find out if they completely sterilized. Ran it at 15psi for 3.5 hours. This changes up the game for me honestly. Now with my two prestos can churn out 24 bags a day.
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rickyswamps said: This thread got me thinking about if its possible to get more than 4 bags into a presto. I lowered my grain per bag down to 4lbs and got 6 in there!  Here are the 4 in the bottom after the run, the other 2 sit on top. Grain is wheat.

It seemed to work well, we will just have to wait to find out if they completely sterilized. Ran it at 15psi for 3.5 hours. This changes up the game for me honestly. Now with my two prestos can churn out 24 bags a day.
bet yopu could fit 8
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26560658 - 03/27/20 07:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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 I think this is the max lol. Unless I don't put a plate on top. But that doesn't seem like a great idea. I've also got them elevated off the bottom a bit too….
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rickyswamps said: This thread got me thinking about if its possible to get more than 4 bags into a presto. I lowered my grain per bag down to 4lbs and got 6 in there!  Here are the 4 in the bottom after the run, the other 2 sit on top. Grain is wheat.

It seemed to work well, we will just have to wait to find out if they completely sterilized. Ran it at 15psi for 3.5 hours. This changes up the game for me honestly. Now with my two prestos can churn out 24 bags a day.
I still don’t understand how them are not sticking to the walls and each other, IME if a bag touches a wall or another bag it will melt. How is this possible? I’d love to know if got the presto as of now and would love to run it with 8 bags.
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26560761 - 03/27/20 09:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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TedsDead said: I cook a 50# bag in a 14 gal brew kettle at a time and each 50# bag yields 24-26 4lb bags depending on when I catch it. about and hour and a hal;f to hydrate and I dry em overnight. depending on weather, they can be dry in a few hours. I spread them on painters tarps and use a rake to fluff and spread the grains so they dry faster
side note: if you're a light weight like me you'll need some help securing the lid once its this full;)
I looked into those 14 gal brew kettles, you must do a soak only because I don’t how you’d hear one of those up, what tek do you use for the rye?
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rickyswamps said: This thread got me thinking about if its possible to get more than 4 bags into a presto. I lowered my grain per bag down to 4lbs and got 6 in there!  Here are the 4 in the bottom after the run, the other 2 sit on top. Grain is wheat.

It seemed to work well, we will just have to wait to find out if they completely sterilized. Ran it at 15psi for 3.5 hours. This changes up the game for me honestly. Now with my two prestos can churn out 24 bags a day.
I still don’t understand how them are not sticking to the walls and each other, IME if a bag touches a wall or another bag it will melt. How is this possible? I’d love to know if got the presto as of now and would love to run it with 8 bags.
They don't melt from touching each other. Maybe you had some bad quality bags. They could get weak from touching the walls so I just baby them. There are 3 rows of jar lids under the trivet to keep them off the bottom. I never turn the stove heat on past medium high and am using an electric stove. Have heard that gas stoves if turned up too high can melt bags.
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only shitty bags melt. long ago I melted some "imposter" unicorn bags. never bought those again.
no rye soak, just bring to a boil, cut heat, and let em swell til theyre done. heat with the same type propane burner one would use when brewing. bayou classic, camp chef
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Re: pc efficiency tek [Re: TedsDead]
#26561149 - 03/27/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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TedsDead said:
only shitty bags melt. long ago I melted some "imposter" unicorn bags. never bought those again.
no rye soak, just bring to a boil, cut heat, and let em swell til theyre done. heat with the same type propane burner one would use when brewing. bayou classic, camp chef what would be your recommendation?
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someone that you know carries verified unicorn bags. not sure these days but I get mine straight from the source.
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