Home | Community | Message Board

Magic Mushrooms Zamnesia
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | Next > | Last >
InvisibleNobler Hino
a dojo and a forge?!
 User Gallery

Registered: 08/29/15
Posts: 1,780
Loc: Deep Ellum Flag
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Zifozonke] * 1
    #26510560 - 02/29/20 11:10 PM (4 years, 28 days ago)

They look like cubes mang. I'd like to add that I've been running golden halos for over a year now and I don't think I've seen a single veil.


--------------------

"The sacred mushroom takes me by the hand and brings me to the world where everything is known. It is they, the sacred mushrooms, that speak in a way I can understand. I ask them and they answer me.”
– Maria Sabina

Edited by Nobler Hino (02/29/20 11:13 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGrimsweeper
don't fear the sweeper
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/29/18
Posts: 4,843
Loc: broom closet
Last seen: 1 month, 2 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Nobler Hino] * 1
    #26510607 - 02/29/20 11:48 PM (4 years, 28 days ago)

It's got super aggressive myc, crazy how it climbs up the walls. As an experiment I shaved off the overlay on a third of of one tub, cased it along with another 1/4 undisturbed. Still have one shoebox untouched.

My guess is this culture could have benefitted from a peat casing shortly after spawn. If I get fruits I'd like to experiment with this for a while. It's an interesting fungi.


--------------------
When you clean a vacuum cleaner you are a vacuum cleaner
Build yourself a Flow Hood in these 99 simple steps

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinejbgtaa
extraterrestrial
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/19
Posts: 1,785
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper] * 1
    #26521844 - 03/07/20 08:43 AM (4 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

Grimsweeper said:
I'm getting some crazy overlay on these but from what I've read it's pretty typical and will still fruit. 2 shoeboxes I'm debating scraping one/casing or a portion to see what effect it has. Anyone else fruit these or have overlay like this?





Looks perfect I would not touch the surface. I e noticed the Myc is super fuzzy and almost grows in spheres and takes just a bit longer to fruit. I definitely wouldn’t scrape it

Also yeah the mycelium does not behave like cube myc at all. I wouldn’t be all that surprised to learn that it is just a weird ass cube like penis envy but all of my natal tubs have been tall and skinny, lacking veils, and have some pretty odd gill attachment for a cube. I’ve done around 6/7 tubs and the results are pretty consistent.


--------------------
If the thunder don't get ya, the lightning will.
In another time's forgotten space, your eyes looked through your mother's face.
Trade List
Forever giving away prints. PM at anytime for a free print.

Edited by jbgtaa (03/07/20 09:04 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskyfox
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 02/28/20
Posts: 14
Last seen: 2 days, 19 hours
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: jbgtaa] * 1
    #26530916 - 03/12/20 12:18 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

I have tubs of natal super strength colonizing now. My first attempt at mushrooms. I would just like to check what your advice would be on ratio of spawn to bulk substrate for this type and whether I should let the tubs consolidate after its fully colonized or spawn to bulk as soon as fully colonized on the outside.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinejbgtaa
extraterrestrial
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/19
Posts: 1,785
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: skyfox] * 1
    #26530987 - 03/12/20 12:51 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Treat them the same as cubes. 1qt spawn to 1qt bulk substrate and add a top layer. Nobody knows the perfect conditions for these yet so the top layer is super helpful.

Also I use coir as substrate. I don’t really advocate using dung enriched sub but if you do use it report back with results like colonization time and fruiting


--------------------
If the thunder don't get ya, the lightning will.
In another time's forgotten space, your eyes looked through your mother's face.
Trade List
Forever giving away prints. PM at anytime for a free print.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskyfox
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 02/28/20
Posts: 14
Last seen: 2 days, 19 hours
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: jbgtaa] * 1
    #26531015 - 03/12/20 01:11 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Thanks for the reply. Yeah I'm going with coir and vermiculite for this round. Trying to keep it as simple as possible as my first time growing any mushroom. I'll update on progress.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGrimsweeper
don't fear the sweeper
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/29/18
Posts: 4,843
Loc: broom closet
Last seen: 1 month, 2 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: skyfox] * 2
    #26541154 - 03/17/20 04:41 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

So my overlay continues with a twist. I've tried a couple different things, stripping the overlay, casing one tub and not the other, etc.. It just eats right through Jiffy mix and overlays again. Some of it stiffens a little kinda like blobs but most of it is extremely soft almost like cotton.


I started getting some random fruits in open areas and sides so I stripped it again to clear a path and check this out..



All that mess bruised heavily so it must be active. It's kinda gross and I have tons of mush so I'm not at liberty to bioassay it but it's interesting anyway.

I'm going to clone some fruits in hope to get something more "fruitible" and hopefully get a 2nd flush on the new stripped surface.


--------------------
When you clean a vacuum cleaner you are a vacuum cleaner
Build yourself a Flow Hood in these 99 simple steps

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblebodhisattaMDiscordReddit
Smurf real estate agent
 User Gallery
Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/30/13
Posts: 61,891
Loc: Milky way
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper] * 2
    #26541175 - 03/17/20 04:54 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGrimsweeper
don't fear the sweeper
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/29/18
Posts: 4,843
Loc: broom closet
Last seen: 1 month, 2 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #26541184 - 03/17/20 05:00 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

Your description fits my scenario pretty well bod


--------------------
When you clean a vacuum cleaner you are a vacuum cleaner
Build yourself a Flow Hood in these 99 simple steps

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGrimsweeper
don't fear the sweeper
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/29/18
Posts: 4,843
Loc: broom closet
Last seen: 1 month, 2 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper] * 1
    #26547043 - 03/20/20 04:06 PM (4 years, 8 days ago)

These things sure aren't like any cube I've seen before. Kinda has a veil kinda doesn't. Theres a slight remnant of something where the caps pulled away halfway down the stem and they keep growing from there. Tried to watch for spore color but they never dropped before they started getting wonky. Hope I can do better with these with some clones. As screwy as the blob mess is the fruits are really cool.



--------------------
When you clean a vacuum cleaner you are a vacuum cleaner
Build yourself a Flow Hood in these 99 simple steps

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSolipsis
m̶a̶d̶ disappointed scientist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/28/09
Posts: 3,398
Loc: the Neitherlands Flag
Last seen: 7 months, 15 days
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper] * 2
    #26555923 - 03/24/20 08:37 PM (4 years, 4 days ago)

I'm planning on experimenting with this, and especially try to look for what should be actual natalensis. Initially i should get what Zifozonke has first to play with.

Taxonomy confuses me a great deal. There seem to be different ways to approach the question what is a separate species and what isn't, like DNA analysis of a few specific sequences including the ITS.

But i wonder: wouldn't a pretty nice test also be to do a mating study with actual cubensis? Seems like it could with pretty good certainty disprove its a separate species (if it is not), when mating is possible. Although it may not necessarily prove anything if mating is impossible.
Particularly mating that results in (self)fertile offspring.

I downloaded some Mycotaxon scans mjshroomer has shared somewhere else and will read that. I'm curious about the original reasoning for calling this a separate species.

And no, analyzing a different collection of S.A. cubensis and leading that to bash this whole thing and call natalensis not a separate species, that would be very inappropriate so only doing that after going out to make some new collections would be good. However, how would you ever know you collected the same species as Gartz et al did back then, and not collect a S.A. variety of cube?

I wouldnt mind uploading those scans from the mycotaxon article here by the way.

It does include a segment about a second party going to this site in S.A. and finding the mushrooms and confirming that this is the species P. natalensis.
Since it does include a detailed description, I think what we really need is an analysis of this about the tell-tale aspects of the mushroom that tell us it could not be cubensis and see if we can use this in our identifications of our own specimens.

I also wouldn't mind submitting a sample for DNA analysis when i get to that point, but i first wanna gain some confidence that it has a point with the spores I am getting.

Edited by Solipsis (03/24/20 11:12 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGrimsweeper
don't fear the sweeper
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/29/18
Posts: 4,843
Loc: broom closet
Last seen: 1 month, 2 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Solipsis] * 2
    #26556257 - 03/25/20 01:24 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

I'm not sure why but these intrigue me it's like a beautiful disaster. I'm challenged to fix it.


My clone plates are showing puffy and wispy growth so I'm going to treat them like pans and transfer the wispy side and see if it helps with the blob/overlay.


--------------------
When you clean a vacuum cleaner you are a vacuum cleaner
Build yourself a Flow Hood in these 99 simple steps

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSolipsis
m̶a̶d̶ disappointed scientist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 12/28/09
Posts: 3,398
Loc: the Neitherlands Flag
Last seen: 7 months, 15 days
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper] * 2
    #26557719 - 03/25/20 07:40 PM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Haha! Fix what exactly, the situation / conundrum, or the kinda chaotic growth?

Btw what is your FAE like in that martha? Low enough to fully explain the lankiness? :blush:

So to sum up it seems these are main questions:

- Is this Natal Super Strength strain actually conspecific with the strain/species found (twice) and described in Mycotaxon (I will attach the article and the photos posted by John Allen.)? This is really a requirement to work on this issue and verify or disprove it being a separate species.
- If conspecific (which is NOT to say cubensis being conspecific with natalensis, but merely that NSS appears to be misadvertised as a cube)..., it seems to me that we might all agree on one possibility which is that it might have originated from cubensis and became a really idiosyncratic strain, perhaps due to vicariance idk. (Or cubensis developed out of it lmao xD).. ok all that might sound weird but my point here is what i basically stated before: sounds like the skepticism voiced here could be about whether or not there is reproductive isolation? Because its ancestor could be cubensis without it being a cubensis anymore.
(Take cultivated enoki mushrooms for example... not the same species anymore as the one in the wild it originated from.)
- Or there may be characteristics which somehow defy descriptors of cubensis so much that we just cannot call it an unusually weird variety anymore. Honestly I don't understand taxonomy well enough to make that call.

I'd like those matters addressed, otherwise it seems like a good reason to pick it up in Advanced Mycology.

Maybe a pro mycologist could take a look at the description of natalensis in Mycotaxon to tell us something about possible conspecificity with cubensis.



Can I assume there shouldn't be a problem sharing this? It was already shared publicly elsewhere.

:strokebeard3:

Edited by Solipsis (03/25/20 07:46 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGrimsweeper
don't fear the sweeper
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/29/18
Posts: 4,843
Loc: broom closet
Last seen: 1 month, 2 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Solipsis] * 1
    #26559140 - 03/26/20 12:46 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Solipsis they're lanky because that's how they roll the Martha cycles 3 min every 15.

What I hope to fix is all the crazy wasted growth that's not generating fruits. I speculate it's a combination of culture work and figuring out what it needs environmentally.


--------------------
When you clean a vacuum cleaner you are a vacuum cleaner
Build yourself a Flow Hood in these 99 simple steps

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinejbgtaa
extraterrestrial
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/19
Posts: 1,785
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper] * 2
    #26559252 - 03/26/20 02:08 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)


This was MS no Martha, just unmodified tub:shrug: idrk how to explain the difference in yield between you and I grim

Also the gill attachment is what makes me believe that this isn’t a cube. Or maybe just a weird as fuck cube


--------------------
If the thunder don't get ya, the lightning will.
In another time's forgotten space, your eyes looked through your mother's face.
Trade List
Forever giving away prints. PM at anytime for a free print.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGrimsweeper
don't fear the sweeper
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/29/18
Posts: 4,843
Loc: broom closet
Last seen: 1 month, 2 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: jbgtaa] * 2
    #26559294 - 03/26/20 02:36 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

My culture is probably just particularly fucky as I haven't seen anyone else's grow as weird and blobby as mine. Your surface does seem to have some of the same characteristics just not as bad.

Btw mine started out in tubs but once the surface was so blobbed up I "birthed" them to the GH.


--------------------
When you clean a vacuum cleaner you are a vacuum cleaner
Build yourself a Flow Hood in these 99 simple steps

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinejbgtaa
extraterrestrial
Male User Gallery


Registered: 06/09/19
Posts: 1,785
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: Grimsweeper] * 1
    #26560261 - 03/26/20 11:51 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I can see why you do that I’m forsure but I’ve gotten amazing results from spawning them to coir, using a coir top layer, and letting it play out. Misting semi often, 2 days apart. My theory on why it takes so long is or why yours specifically is blobbing: the conditions to grow these are different from both cubes and pans, or Tamps or semps. Regular shelf conditions like cubes make it take longer than desired, and trying to replicate the perfect conditions makes the yield suffer. Bottom line it’s gonna take a lot of trials to find optimum conditions. I’m started to suspect a spawn run and casing with straight Vern or whatever may do the trick.


--------------------
If the thunder don't get ya, the lightning will.
In another time's forgotten space, your eyes looked through your mother's face.
Trade List
Forever giving away prints. PM at anytime for a free print.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGrimsweeper
don't fear the sweeper
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/29/18
Posts: 4,843
Loc: broom closet
Last seen: 1 month, 2 days
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: jbgtaa] * 1
    #26560291 - 03/27/20 12:34 AM (4 years, 2 days ago)

It colonized really fast for me, both on grain and the sub. I top layered and it plowed right through it to blobmetropolis.

Next run I'm thinking a thicker peat/verm casing earlier on that it can't eat through so easily. If it's still whack I'll start over from spore.


--------------------
When you clean a vacuum cleaner you are a vacuum cleaner
Build yourself a Flow Hood in these 99 simple steps

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineskyfox
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 02/28/20
Posts: 14
Last seen: 2 days, 19 hours
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: skyfox] * 1
    #26583669 - 04/07/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

My spawn tub was fully colonized in 10 days, I then added it at 1:3 ratio coir/vermiculite (50/50 tek*) in monotub. Holes are taped up at the moment. Its been 4 days and looking good. Any advice on when to take the next step. Do i wait until fully white on top . Thanks .

trying to upload pics but not succeeding*


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCrackatoa
Stranger in a strange land
I'm a teapot User Gallery


Registered: 03/31/19
Posts: 5,401
Loc: Over by your Mama's house Flag
Last seen: 23 days, 10 hours
Trusted Cultivator
Re: Psilocybe natalensis [Re: skyfox] * 4
    #26590100 - 04/10/20 02:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Hey guys, I wanna get in on this. Running natalensis myself. Here's my last shoebox and my current shoebox.


--------------------

Crack's Tek's and Shit


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | Next > | Last >

Shop: Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Official Misc EXOTIC Thread
( 1 2 3 4 ... 149 150 )
Jakeoncid419 118,518 2,989 03/24/24 09:48 PM
by scapo
* Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread
( 1 2 3 4 ... 1624 1625 )
Fantastic Mr. Fox 941,480 32,482 03/27/24 05:34 PM
by mnj
* The Official Semilanceata Thread
( 1 2 3 4 ... 22 23 )
Baba Yaga 20,188 443 03/28/24 01:17 AM
by Blueberry Muffin
* Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread
( 1 2 3 4 ... 257 258 )
nosf3r4tu 152,281 5,152 03/28/24 02:16 AM
by chris77
* Genesis of the PF Redspore Psilocybe motamanM 7,093 16 12/05/03 08:59 AM
by Anonymous
* Psilocybe graveolens berto23 3,748 2 06/19/08 03:23 PM
by caliche
* The Official Noob of the Week Thread BeefSupremeJr 72 2 03/24/24 12:35 PM
by MrSturgill
* Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens
( 1 2 3 all )
JazzMatazz 57,018 43 11/25/14 05:30 PM
by 707godheadcymaster

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Shroomism, george castanza, RogerRabbit, veggie, mushboy, fahtster, LogicaL Chaos, 13shrooms, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta, Tormato, Land Trout, A.k.a
345,406 topic views. 8 members, 97 guests and 71 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.025 seconds spending 0.006 seconds on 14 queries.