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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#26555292 - 03/24/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Capitalism has brought the greatest increases in standard of living of almost any single thing. There maybe more billionares, but everyone is wealthier on average.
And why do you suppose we try to hard to keep communist/socialist countries down via sanctions, wars, etc?
Our billionaires are scared to death to give any communist country a chance.
Obama almost made Americans freer by allowing travel, trade, etc with Cuba, but ultimately decided against it as we couldn't risk allowing Cuba to do better.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26555311 - 03/24/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Communism killed tens of millions of people in its own. If it were so productive, it would have succeeded without our help. The history of our problems with communism go back a long time, and some of that has to do with communism as an idiology, some has to do with the nations that these ideas arose in, and some has to do with the cultures of those nations.
Communism as an ideology seems to breed hierarchy and dishonesry. Russia and China were some of the last industrialized nations. Their histories are among the most terrifying in the world.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26555325 - 03/24/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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How many people did communism kill since Stalin and Mao? It's not communism that kills people.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26555384 - 03/24/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know, Cuba and Venezuela aren't doing well. Laos, cambodia, vietnam. Any nation that embraced it hasn't done well, except the one true nation of the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
#26555423 - 03/24/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I don't know, Cuba and Venezuela aren't doing well.
As I previously stated, the United states is doing everything we can to ensure we force it stay that way.
We've have a an embargo on Cuba, and we've sanctioned the hell out of Venezuela:
Economic Sanctions as Collective Punishment: The Case of Venezuela
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This paper looks at some of the most important impacts of the economic sanctions imposed on Venezuela by the US government since August of 2017. It finds that most of the impact of these sanctions has not been on the government but on the civilian population.
The sanctions reduced the public’s caloric intake, increased disease and mortality (for both adults and infants), and displaced millions of Venezuelans who fled the country as a result of the worsening economic depression and hyperinflation. They exacerbated Venezuela’s economic crisis and made it nearly impossible to stabilize the economy, contributing further to excess deaths. All of these impacts disproportionately harmed the poorest and most vulnerable Venezuelans.
We find that the sanctions have inflicted, and increasingly inflict, very serious harm to human life and health, including an estimated more than 40,000 deaths from 2017–2018; and that these sanctions would fit the definition of collective punishment of the civilian population as described in both the Geneva and Hague international conventions, to which the US is a signatory. They are also illegal under international law and treaties which the US has signed, and would appear to violate US law as well.
Why don't we just let these countries fail on their own if we think their systems are so bad? Because billionaires are terrified that they might just work.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26555440 - 03/24/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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So are you saying you think those nations would have succeeded without our sanctions?
It's only our sanctions keeping them down? They have their own allies and natural resources
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#26555453 - 03/24/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: So are you saying you think those nations would have succeeded without our sanctions?
It's only our sanctions keeping them down? They have their own allies and natural resources
Our sanctions and embargoes are crippling, yes. I don't know if they'd succeed without our keeping them down, as we're too scared to let them try.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26555520 - 03/24/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's such a backward way of seeing it that I don't know where to start. It puts the economic prosperity of other nations as our responsibility. We aren't removing them from the global market.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#26555531 - 03/24/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Perhaps you don't realize it, but the United States, the European Union, Canada, Mexico, and others have applied sanctions against Venezuela to ensure Maduro doesn't succeed.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub] 5
#26555552 - 03/24/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Capitalism" is like the best!!
Print all the money you want and let the greedy Banksters in charge of themselves! 
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fed-hires-worlds-largest-asset-manager-manage-its-massive-asset-purchases
Piss away $50 billion in share buybacks and then get $40 billion in free money from the government.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-airlines-usa/house-democrats-would-give-airlines-contractors-40-billion-bailout-idUSKBN21A35E
I don't get it, I thought "capitalism" discouraged the mis-allocation of resources and irresponsible fiscal behavior. No, it appears that "capitalism" actually encourages it now. 
Do you know what's going to be really funny? Watching all the socialism the "capitalists" are going to use for themselves because of this crisis. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/489332-senate-eyes-quick-exit-after-vote-on-coronavirus-stimulus-package The wealthy never lose, you got to love capitalism!!!
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: qman]
#26555587 - 03/24/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Free association and trade are generally a good thing. All rules aren't applicable in all cercumstances.
I don't like how this virus is being handled. Stimulating the economy well everyone stays home seems like a bad choice.
The wealthy are always going to be wealthy. Much of what we have comes from what they design. Things don't have to be perfect to be functional and adaptive.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#26555601 - 03/24/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: The wealthy are always going to be wealthy. Much of what we they have comes from what they their workers design.
Fixed that for you.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26555618 - 03/24/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: The wealthy are always going to be wealthy. Much of what we they have comes from what they their workers design.
Fixed that for you. 
That's not how IP works There are a larger number of workers doing less skilled work in most corperations. That doesn't mean they are more responsible for the corperation.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26555620 - 03/24/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Last time they did something like this checks went to anyone who filed taxes the previous year. Hopefully thats the case or in fucked on this check
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#26555629 - 03/24/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: That's not how IP works
How does IP work?
If a company pays employees to design products for them, the company gets ownership of that design.
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specialpeopleclub said: There are a larger number of workers doing less skilled work in most corperations. That doesn't mean they are more responsible for the corperation.
I never said less skilled workers were more responsible for the corporation.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26555635 - 03/24/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you sell your ip, that's you getting payment for what you think its worth. That doesn't mean it's always good. The people that made McDonald's ducked up, for example.
That's usually where the direction you are taking it goes. The idea that people in positions not authority make more then they deserve well workers create the wealth.
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#26555645 - 03/24/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Free association and trade are generally a good thing. All rules aren't applicable in all cercumstances.
I don't like how this virus is being handled. Stimulating the economy well everyone stays home seems like a bad choice.
The wealthy are always going to be wealthy. Much of what we have comes from what they design. Things don't have to be perfect to be functional and adaptive.
No, the vast majority of wealthy people don't invest in innovative investment opportunities. They invest in assets that consist of real estate, conservative businesses (blue chip stocks) and debt. The overall goal is to sit risk free doing nothing and exploiting the peasants for their own financial gain.
Investing in technology industries is considered very high risk. The very wealthy usually stay clear of that risk.
The best investment by the very wealthy is buying off the government for their own benefit. I guess one might consider shaping fiscal, monetary, trade and tax policy for their own benefit is innovative in nature.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#26555652 - 03/24/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: If you sell your ip, that's you getting payment for what you think its worth. That doesn't mean it's always good.
You don't 'sell' your ip. You sell your time. You never get what your ip worth.
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specialpeopleclub said: That's usually where the direction you are taking it goes. The idea that people in positions not authority make more then they deserve well workers create the wealth.
In our current system, people don't make 'what they deserve'. They make the going rate for their position, and everything else they make above that goes to the owners.
I'm not suggesting everyone get equal pay. I'm suggesting everyone get a share of the profits from the work they did. Pay used to up for everyone in the US as businesses became more productive. Today it only goes up for the top executives.
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#26555653 - 03/24/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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qman said: The best investment by the very wealthy is buying off the government for their own benefit.
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Re: Get Dat Corona Money: $2000 Buckaroos For Every American Peasant! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26555668 - 03/24/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I understand there are problems with capitalism, and we can't and shouldn't have pure capitalism. We also have property rights and people are going to tend toward low risk investment.
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specialpeopleclub said: If you sell your ip, that's you getting payment for what you think its worth. That doesn't mean it's always good.
You don't 'sell' your ip. You sell your time. You never get what your ip worth.
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specialpeopleclub said: That's usually where the direction you are taking it goes. The idea that people in positions not authority make more then they deserve well workers create the wealth.
In our current system, people don't make 'what they deserve'. They make the going rate for their position, and everything else they make above that goes to the owners.
I'm not suggesting everyone get equal pay. I'm suggesting everyone get a share of the profits from the work they did. Pay used to up for everyone in the US as businesses became more productive. Today it only goes up for the top executives.

I think it's case by case. some companies probably compensate their workers more fairly than others.
It's very complicated. People should profit more from the enormous wealth of society though. I agree
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