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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24]
#26554485 - 03/24/20 06:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have been very fortunate to be what my friend refers to a a "shroom magnet" Almost every hunt this season has been amazing. Over the weekend I found a new spot that was secluded and loaded. Very densely growing clusters everywhere. My Sunday haul dried out at 2.9 ounces. Two days before that dried out at just over 1 ounce. I've decided to start vacuum sealing them with 1 or 2 small silica packets and putting them away for future journeys
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One thing I noticed in my last trip, which incidentally was from the Mazatapec I made the lemon tea from fresh then froze was that even when the trip seemed to have no lesson, the next morning I woke up not depressed. It always seems to reset my brain. The lovely peeps on here sometimes describe like your brain has been de-fragged, like a computer hard drive......
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Re: Going deeper? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26554716 - 03/24/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, de-fragging the mind is a good term. 
No matter what dose I take, a several days long afterglow moodlift is always present. Even with low doses like a quarter gram (to treat headaches). 
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Shr00mEater said: Main reasons that I prefer tea is, faster come up and less stomach issues. Edit: yes, throw out the scraps if making tea, it is the solid materials that cause most of the digestion problems.
If you lose some potency..... who cares? You grow shrooms, so, put some more in the next time if it wasn’t enough. Dosage or level numbers only really count when comparing psychedelic dick size. You can browse thru these forums and find many reports of 6g doing nothing, and 2g sending someone to another planet.
You aren’t really looking for a certain number, you are looking for an effective dose for yourself.
Some batches of mushrooms will be more, some will be less. I suggest always beginning with a 2g dose, and step up a gram or half gram each week or two until you find an appropriate dose. With tea especially, after a bit of experience, you will start to notice how strong or weak they are shortly after ingestion, at which point( if before the peak) you could try a redose.
Either that, or just go 7g to rid yourself of disappointment. 
i prefer 13-15g :P
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Re: Going deeper? [Re: numnum59]
#26555586 - 03/24/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do you all subscribe to the tolerance thing? I hate waiting a week or two between trips when I feel like I’m on the edge of breaking through!
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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24]
#26555619 - 03/24/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don’t mind multiple days, not often, but every couple years when suitable. You will most likely need to increase by some amount, a gram or so, don’t follow a large dose day with a smaller dose day.... it will be underwhelming. Keep doses increasing, like day 1 2.5g, day 2 3.5g, day 3 4.5g etc.
I generally only choose to do this if there is something left unresolved properly, usually I will notice an angsty mood on the comedown, instead of the usual peaceful feelings.
Some people have better biochemistry than others, so ymmv.
All that said, and I still recommend waiting.... it’s more magical that way. The longer the better. But, in any case, when it comes to learning about yourself and your own response to psilocybin, I tend to be in favor of personal experimentation rather than simply “going by the book” anyway. Find out what works for you, and do more of that.
Happy trails!
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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24]
#26555779 - 03/24/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Orange24 said: Do you all subscribe to the tolerance thing? I hate waiting a week or two between trips when I feel like I’m on the edge of breaking through!
Me too, i often times like to dive in regularly, but i use Ayahuasca/oral DMT, DMT has no tolerance so i can take it daily if i want to, but i would sure love to do the same with Psilocin if it weren't for the tolerance.
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#26555796 - 03/24/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Orange24 said: Do you all subscribe to the tolerance thing? I hate waiting a week or two between trips when I feel like I’m on the edge of breaking through!
Me too, i often times like to dive in regularly, but i use Ayahuasca/oral DMT, DMT has no tolerance so i can take it daily if i want to, but i would sure love to do the same with Psilocin if it weren't for the tolerance.
Be amazing to have access to all that!
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#26555838 - 03/24/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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the tolerance thing is real, though there's two kinds - the physical, and the mental/emotional kind. the first is one you can only really "overpower" by taking higher dosages to compensate, or by waiting (generally takes a week for most of it, or a couple weeks for pretty much all of it) to go away.
the second is akin to going to magic mountain or disneyland and going on the rides. the first time is magic, the second time in a short time is almost as fun, especially if you've not gone on all the rides, etc... the 10th time tends to feel a bit samey if you've gone on everything. the amount of time it takes for this tolerance to reset takes a different amount of time for everyone, but you generally will know when it's reset, just like someone knows when they want to go to disneyland again. a way to shorten the time period for this though, is to live life to its fullest while sober. take up new hobbies, try new experiences, and so forth - those new memories will essentially add "new rides" to your trip to visit.
i personally am constantly reading new articles, trying new things, etc, so frequent tripping does not lose it's magic for me, but for some people once a year or so is more than enough. i guess it's no surprise that a personality test had me firmly in the "chaotic neutral" category 
and yes, for avoiding tolerance, ayahuasca is what you want, as DMT has such a low tolerance that you can easily trip daily if you want. that said, DMT is the most powerful of the psychedelics so be prepared to be blasted, and up the dosage SLOWLY. the amount needed varies wildly by person, some only need 30 mg oral, others like me closer to 200 mg. the salt form is much easier on the gut than the freebase, but also more bioavailable too in my experience (read: you need less of the stuff for the same effect) but expect some nausea during the come up, especially if you use ground syrian rue and not pure harmine extract or the like.
as you need to use a MAOI inhibitor for this as well, the typical safety precautions apply - do not mix with certain drugs that do not play nice with MAOI inhibitors, or you may find yourself in serious or dead (literally) serious trouble. serotonin syndrome is not a joke, do not do ayahuasca if you are on SSRIs or the other drugs that don't like MAOIs or are greatly affected by them. avoid caffeine for several hours before taking it too, as it's also affected, and a single cup of coffee will likely give you the jitters.
in fact it's often best to try taking the MAOI by itself a few times for dry runs to get used to the effects of it, as they tend to have side effects that get milder as your body gets used to it over the first week. syrian rue is one of the worst offenders, but it's also dirt cheap - there are extraction techniques to remove the nastier crud and get the harmine/harmaline though, which makes it much easier on the gut. just watch out if you do this though, as the stuff is horribly staining. :P protect all surfaces and don't use any utensils you care about lol.
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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Psion]
#26556222 - 03/25/20 12:42 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Orange24; I’ve heard many bits of advice on here, but generally the second day you increase your dose by 1.5x, the third day a further 1.5x up to a personal threshold dose which maxes out at some level,,about 250 wet grams.
Psion; I’m intrigued in your personality test result chaotic neutral. Where could I find it, as I reckon I too am chaotic neutral!
❤️ DJ Ed
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Re: Going deeper? [Re: DJ Ed]
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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Psion]
#26556300 - 03/25/20 02:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psion said: http://easydamus.com/alignmenttest.html is the one i took :P
Thank you, Psion. I’m on my 3rd “quick break” remote working! So I’ll have a go tonight. Il let you know ✊🏻
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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Psion]
#26556836 - 03/25/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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True Neutral !
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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24]
#26560066 - 03/26/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Most of what can be said has already been discussed by a few here but I thought I would add my thoughts as well.
Dosage differs significantly from person to person but also can vary based on your mental health at the time and many other external environmental factors. The best way that I have learned to "go deeper" is to do either one of two things:
1. Take the "heroic" dose, 5-7g or more. It is likely more than you bargained for and at high enough doses, can override all other external variables that may have affected your trip. This is not advisable if your previous psychedelic experience is minimal.
2. Take your trip prep seriously. Clean your mind and body. Eat clean, do strenuous cardio, breathing exercises and meditate if you are able. Prepare your space appropriately, eliminate distractions and potential interruptions. Even just the thought or notion of something potentially coming up during your trip time can linger and stop you from going the distance. Plan to be alone, and stay in one place if possible. A notepad nearby or having a guide with you can be helpful for recollection and discovery.
In my experience, the latter is preferable. The trip is generally not as jarring or chaotic, and I have been able to retain more useful information from each session that I properly prepared myself for.
Prepare for 1-2 weeks ahead of your planned trip.
Stay safe and good luck in your travels.
Edited by Elevated Mind (03/26/20 09:14 PM)
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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24]
#26560219 - 03/26/20 11:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Orange24 said:
I’m a very deep thinker and highly introspective. The reason I’m asking these things is I really feel like I’m knocking on the door Of something amazing. So I’m trying my best to tailor my approach here and see how I can best use the mushrooms to my advantages. Or perhaps they’ll use me and take the blinds off per se, on all the learn behavior I’ve succumbed to over the years.
Well the short late answer is you are knocking on the door of something amazing. IME the human relationship with mushrooms is more of a synergy. We grow them or seek them out specifically in order to experience their curious effect on our reality. Both parties benefit. But what happens in trips is so unanticipated that it often leaves you wondering exactly how it could even happen. Ok not so short answer. 
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Orange24 said: ? But SO many swear by the tea method it seems.
There are sort of like 2 kinds of partakers, those that have tried tea and would never go back, and those that haven't. You have but to try it to see why.
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My first dose of shrooms I ate 7.5g at 120lb I don’t recommend that high a dose but sure 4-5 be a good dose
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Orange24 said:
I’m a very deep thinker and highly introspective. The reason I’m asking these things is I really feel like I’m knocking on the door Of something amazing. So I’m trying my best to tailor my approach here and see how I can best use the mushrooms to my advantages. Or perhaps they’ll use me and take the blinds off per se, on all the learn behavior I’ve succumbed to over the years.
Well the short late answer is you are knocking on the door of something amazing. IME the human relationship with mushrooms is more of a synergy. We grow them or seek them out specifically in order to experience their curious effect on our reality. Both parties benefit. But what happens in trips is so unanticipated that it often leaves you wondering exactly how it could even happen. Ok not so short answer. 
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Orange24 said: ? But SO many swear by the tea method it seems.
There are sort of like 2 kinds of partakers, those that have tried tea and would never go back, and those that haven't. You have but to try it to see why.
Made tea today. 5 grams golden teacher. Never done tea or above 3g. Mind blown. Full on, laid down and for 3 hours was somewhere else learning more than I ever have about myself, my motives, my ego, feeding my ego, dissolving my ego, minimizing my own self perception and elevating others, leaning more into discomfort because THERES NOTHING TO BE AFRAID OF. My life changed today, forever. I can’t even believe it.
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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24]
#26566258 - 03/29/20 11:57 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Welcome, Orange24 ✊🏻
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Re: Going deeper? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26566291 - 03/30/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said: Welcome, Orange24 ✊
Been super emotional trying to articulate it to my wife. Who knows I’m using mushrooms for therapeutic healing and today was probably the biggest breakthrough of my life. She was so happy and so proud. Even though I could barely articulate what the experience was like. Lots of tears today. All the good feels. Felt like the universe dropped the curtain on me and all the beauty, wonder and mystery of the world was at my fingertips. It was so amazing. I never wanted it to end but at the same time when it was over I couldn’t wait to begin integrating all I’d learned into my normal day to day. What an incredible plant. Magic.
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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24]
#26566305 - 03/30/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Once you have seen the magic that mushrooms can provide, you can never fully go back
-------------------- “It’s like when you see a mountain lion,” he suggested. “If you run, it will chase you. So you must stand your ground.” Michael Pollan: How To Change Your Mind “The problem is not to find the answer, it’s to face the answer.” Terence McKenna

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