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Doctors Are Hoarding Unproven Coronavirus Medicine By Writing Prescriptions For Themselves And...
    #26555505 - 03/24/20 07:04 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctors-are-hoarding-unproven-coronavirus-medicine-by-writing-prescriptions-for-themselves-and-their-families_n_5e7a13e4c5b62f90bc51ae3b

Doctors Are Hoarding Unproven Coronavirus Medicine By Writing Prescriptions For Themselves And Their Families

By Topher Sanders, David Armstrong and Ava Kofman-

Pharmacists told ProPublica that they are seeing unusual and fraudulent prescribing activity as doctors stockpile unproven coronavirus drugs endorsed by President Donald Trump.

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A nationwide shortage of two drugs touted as possible treatments for the coronavirus is being driven in part by doctors inappropriately prescribing the medicines for family, friends and themselves, according to pharmacists and state regulators.

“It’s disgraceful, is what it is,” said Garth Reynolds, executive director of the Illinois Pharmacists Association, which started getting calls and emails Saturday from members saying they were receiving questionable prescriptions. “And completely selfish.”

Demand for chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine surged over the past several days as President Donald Trump promoted them as possible treatments for the coronavirus and online forums buzzed with excitement over a small study suggesting the combination of hydroxychloroquine and a commonly used antibiotic could be effective in treating COVID-19.

Reynolds said the Illinois Pharmacists Association has started reaching out to pharmacists and medical groups throughout the state to urge doctors, nurses and physician assistants not to write prescriptions for themselves and those close to them.

“We even had a couple of examples of prescribers trying to say that the individual they were calling in for had rheumatoid arthritis,” he said, explaining that pharmacists suspected that wasn’t true. “I mean, that’s fraud.”

In one case, Reynolds said, the prescriber initially tried to get the pills without an explanation and only offered up that the individual had rheumatoid arthritis after the pharmacist questioned the prescription.

In a bulletin to pharmacists on Sunday, the state association wrote that it was “disturbed by the current actions of prescribers” and instructed members on how to file a complaint against physicians and nurses who were doing it.

“People are losing their minds about this product,” said Brian Brito, president of SMP Pharmacy Solutions in Miami. “We’re selling so much of this stuff and people are just stockpiling it prophylactically if anybody in their family gets sick — they’re just holding on to it.”

The two drugs are only available through a prescription and cannot be purchased over the counter. Hydroxychloroquine, sold under the brand name Plaquenil, is approved to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis while chloroquine is an anti-malarial treatment.

There is little evidence that the drugs work to treat coronavirus, although clinical trials are underway to find out. But as coronavirus cases multiply and protective gear for medical workers vanishes from emergency rooms, many patients and physicians see the drugs as the only hope to reverse the course of serious disease.

Brito said his pharmacy had about 800 tablets on Monday and were nearly sold out in about an hour. One doctor called and asked for 200 tablets, but the company refused. “He was a little upset about it but he understood and he went quickly from 200 to 42 tablets, which is essentially treating two people,” Brito said. “So yeah, they’re stockpiling it.”

A pharmacist in Houston, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation and violating patient privacy, said he was recently asked by a surgeon for an unusually large quantity with unlimited refills. “He said it was because his wife had lupus,” the pharmacist said, “but when I asked him for her name and diagnosis, he told me just to put it in his.”

Lupus patients are reporting difficulty in refilling their prescriptions for the drug. On Monday, the Lupus Foundation of America issued a joint statement asking the White House Coronavirus Task Force to “take action to ensure current supplies are allocated for patients taking them for indicated uses.” Several states in the past few days have already moved to limit prescriptions of the drugs, neither of which is approved to treat the coronavirus. Trump, in press conferences and tweets over the past week, has promoted the use of the drugs as potentially blunting the impact of the COVID-19 outbreak.

“It’s unfortunate that a news conference, I think prematurely, made it sound like this was the answer, and that’s led to this panic,” Michelle Petri, director of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine’s Lupus Center, said Friday. “I have spent the last two days trying to help lupus patients who actually need their refills.” She said some patients have refills on back order while others are being provided smaller amounts than usual.

The West Virginia Board of Pharmacy, in an alert Saturday, ordered pharmacists to limit new prescriptions to no more than 30 tablets and only to cases where the drugs were being used for approved indications.

“Currently, both nationally and in West Virginia, some prescribers have begun writing prescriptions for these drugs for family, friends, and coworkers in anticipation of Covid-19 related illness,” the board wrote.

Texas and Ohio have also restricted prescribing of the drugs. Louisiana on Sunday also issued an emergency rule limiting when the drugs can be prescribed, citing “inappropriate use” and “hoarding.” On Monday, the Louisiana Board of Pharmacy said it was rescinding that order because manufacturers had boosted distribution of the drugs.

Experts are warning that any use of the drugs outside of a hospital setting can be dangerous, and admonished doctors to stop prescribing the medicines inappropriately.

Daniel Brooks, the medical director of the Banner Poison and Drug Information Center in Phoenix, said it was “immoral” for physicians to hoard the medications.

“One should not be selfish and scared, especially medical providers,” he said. “I find it incredibly embarrassing and unfortunate that physicians appear to be prescribing these medications inappropriately.”

This weekend Brooks cared for a man in his 60s who died after ingesting a version of chloroquine commonly used to clean fish tanks. The man, who thought he might have COVID-19, took a small amount of the substance in a misguided effort to treat his symptoms. His wife was also hospitalized after taking the substance but survived.

Brooks said the amount the couple ingested was equivalent to a couple days’ worth of prescription chloroquine.

Ken Thai, the owner of a chain of Los Angeles-area pharmacies, said his stores are witnessing a rash of inappropriate prescribing.

“A lot of physicians, unfortunately, are writing high amounts for more than the required number of tablets and calling in five, six, seven and eight prescriptions at a time,” he said. “I don’t want to insinuate what is going on, but it is very unusual.”

He said his pharmacists are declining to fill suspicious orders and telling prescribers they don’t have enough of the medication on hand to complete those requests. Among the prescriptions flagged are those for people who have not previously taken the drug as well as orders from doctors who do not typically treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients.

“If a doctor is writing a prescription for himself or aunts and uncles, that is usually a red flag for us,” he said. “Whatever we have in stock, we have to preserve for the patients we currently service.”

On Twitter, pharmacy workers traded stories about dentists and opthamologists requesting hydroxychloroquine under dubious pretenses. “A dentist just tried to call in scripts for hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin for himself, his wife, & another couple (friends),” tweeted a pharmacist in Eugene, Oregon. “I have patients with lupus that have been on HCQ [Hydroxychloroquine] for YEARS and now can’t get it because it’s on backorder.”

Steve Moore, president of the Pharmacists Society of the State of New York, said medical providers hoarding the drugs is occuring in the state, which has the highest number of coronavirus cases in the country.

“That’s a double whammy,” he said. “We’re potentially taking that medication away from patients with autoimmune conditions and patients with the actual virus that may need treatment.”


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Re: Doctors Are Hoarding Unproven Coronavirus Medicine By Writing Prescriptions For Themselves And... [Re: Holybullshit] * 1
    #26555515 - 03/24/20 07:08 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

I generally don't like doctors. Most of them are egotistical idiots honestly. I couldn't tell you how many times I have seen doctors reading wikipedia and webmd as they google how to treat their patients...yet they hate it when patients get too involved in the process, asking many doctors for a certain course of treatment is the surest way to not get it. Its a power/control thing.

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On Twitter, pharmacy workers traded stories about dentists and opthamologists requesting hydroxychloroquine under dubious pretenses. “A dentist just tried to call in scripts for hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin for himself, his wife, & another couple (friends),” tweeted a pharmacist in Eugene, Oregon. “I have patients with lupus that have been on HCQ [Hydroxychloroquine] for YEARS and now can’t get it because it’s on backorder.”




WTF does he think antiobiotics are going to do against a virus?


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Re: Doctors Are Hoarding Unproven Coronavirus Medicine By Writing Prescriptions For Themselves And... [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26555673 - 03/24/20 08:42 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

I have read they are using hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin to treat this virus. I am not sure why but my theory is that the anti-viral drug disrupts the virus and the anti-biotic helps protect against bacterial infections that could occur as a complication, like pnemonia. Either that, or the combination has some magical property I don't know of against viruses.


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Re: Doctors Are Hoarding Unproven Coronavirus Medicine By Writing Prescriptions For Themselves And... [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26555946 - 03/24/20 10:44 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

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Holybullshit said:
I generally don't like doctors. Most of them are egotistical idiots honestly. I couldn't tell you how many times I have seen doctors reading wikipedia and webmd as they google how to treat their patients...yet they hate it when patients get too involved in the process, asking many doctors for a certain course of treatment is the surest way to not get it. Its a power/control thing.

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On Twitter, pharmacy workers traded stories about dentists and opthamologists requesting hydroxychloroquine under dubious pretenses. “A dentist just tried to call in scripts for hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin for himself, his wife, & another couple (friends),” tweeted a pharmacist in Eugene, Oregon. “I have patients with lupus that have been on HCQ [Hydroxychloroquine] for YEARS and now can’t get it because it’s on backorder.”




WTF does he think antiobiotics are going to do against a virus?



the more severe cases often involve bacterial superinfection


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Re: Doctors Are Hoarding Unproven Coronavirus Medicine By Writing Prescriptions For Themselves And... [Re: morrowasted]
    #26555986 - 03/24/20 11:08 PM (3 months, 10 days ago)

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/23/antibiotic-resistance-hidden-threat-lurking-behind-covid-19/

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The new coronavirus is no exception. Already, some studies have found that 1 in 7 patients hospitalized with Covid-19 has acquired a dangerous secondary bacterial infection, and 50% of patients who have died had such infections.




Gotcha.

So they are hoarding antiobiotics as well, which is even worse, enough people who suffer from lupus and RA will already be impacted...if it got to the point where we were short on antibiotics that would affect a WHOLE lot more people, possibly suffering from more life threatening conditions than RA and lupus, and the fallout would be even worse.


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Re: Doctors Are Hoarding Unproven Coronavirus Medicine By Writing Prescriptions For Themselves And... [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26556278 - 03/25/20 03:54 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Blah.  Trust in alcohol.  :lahey::beer: 


The natural and decease proof way to go about it.  To each their own, we as a world :loljesus: are all going through it.  Have to admit, is interesting how the world is going to shit and following the news.

Always look on the bright side of life.  I like how the guy in his short part with beard starts getting into the song.





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    #26556307 - 03/25/20 05:18 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

Doctors are illegally hoarding prescriptions, potentially contributing to shortages thus endangering the health of legitimate patients, and your response is "to each their own"? Thanks for your very meaningful contribution, as well thought out as always, as their actions aren't only to "their own".(I would think obviously)

And what is trust in alcohol supposed to mean? Are you positing that as some kind of treatment for COVID-19? Because I don't think that's great advice, unless you are talking about hand sanitizer...which doesn't help people who are already sick or suffering from conditions treated with these medications, especially not pneumonia.

While it is well known that chronic alcohol consumption can be especially harmful to the lungs, damaging lung cells and disrupting the immune system in the lungs putting one at higher risk for respiratory infection.


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Re: Doctors Are Hoarding Unproven Coronavirus Medicine By Writing Prescriptions For Themselves And... [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26556375 - 03/25/20 07:31 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

God, I am not going to explain this.


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    #26556382 - 03/25/20 07:49 AM (3 months, 10 days ago)

My S.O. has rheumatoid and has been on plaquinel for over a decade. Recently refilled just to be safe and her usual brand was gone, given an indian sourced generic, doesn't seem to work as well.

Apparently allowing permenant joint damage to others doesn't violate the hypocratic oath.

P.s. these doctor's should have their licenses to practice medicine revoked or suspended, we've jailed doctors for overwriting opiate scripts and doing patrial birth abortions, this should be no different


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    #26557977 - 03/26/20 12:12 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

I agree.  The longer I live in this world the more corruption I see.  Humanity is being lost as is the value of integrity.  On with life.  I really don't want to go to jail again.

Some guy where I lived gave up a year and a half in prison to stand for what he believed.  They belittle it, any truth and integrity yet one knows.  Those are the ones I respect and one knows if one goes against it in yourself.

I live in Utah and fence sitting everywhere for that matter everyone is going to have to make choices.  Based in fear or not.  God how they use fear to control in corrupted ways nowadays.


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    #26557989 - 03/26/20 12:18 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

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God, I am not going to explain this.




You wouldn't have to explain it if it made any god damn sense.

The only thing I can muster is you were trying to make some joke about drinking to cope, which if true is the kind of response which allows shit like this is able to go unchecked on a regular basis, and to which I can only again reply thank you for your meaningful contribution and sharing your valuable wisdom.


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    #26558722 - 03/26/20 11:34 AM (3 months, 9 days ago)

Bored.  Do you have any life sharing amusing stories to share or are just always pissed off at something?:wonka:


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    #26562946 - 03/28/20 01:08 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

The chemical comes from the plant quinine right?

http://www.rain-tree.com/quinine.html


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    #26563117 - 03/28/20 02:27 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

No, quinine is an alkaloid from the Quinoa tree, and (HO)Chloroquine is a syntheitic analog with different properties.


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    #26565821 - 03/29/20 08:00 PM (3 months, 5 days ago)

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No, quinine is an alkaloid from the Quinoa tree, and (HO)Chloroquine is a syntheitic analog with different properties.




With all due respect, that is close, but not quite.

Quinine is actually from Cinchona officinalis, which is in a completely different family of plants. However, it is native to Peru, just as Quinoa is.


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    #26706904 - 05/30/20 12:33 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

fuck their at it again.


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    #26744012 - 06/14/20 02:12 PM (21 days, 23 hours ago)

Cinchona, or quinine bark, is one of the rainforest's most famous plants and most important discoveries.

Family: Rubiaceae
Genus: Cinchona
Species: officinalis, ledgeriana, succirubra, calisaya
Synonyms: Quinaquina officinalis, Quinaquina lancifolia, Quinaquina coccinea
Common names: Quinine bark, quina, quinine, kinakina, China bark, cinchona bark, yellow cinchona, red cinchona, Peruvian bark, Jesuit's bark, quina-quina, calisaya bark, fever tree


Legend has it that the name cinchona came from the countess of Chinchon, the wife of a Peruvian viceroy, who was cured of a malarial type of fever by using the bark of the cinchona tree in 1638.

It was supposedly introduced to European medicine in 1640 by the countess of Chinchon, even before botanists had identified and named the species of tree. Quinine bark was first advertised for sale in England in 1658, and was made official in the British Pharmacopoeia in 1677.

Physicians gave credit to the drug and, because of its effectiveness with malaria, it was recognized officially even while the identity of the tree species remained unknown.

Several years after the "Countess's powder" arrived in England, it arrived in Spain. There, quinine bark was used by the Jesuits very early in its history and due to the influence of the Company of Jesus, the newly named "Jesuit's powder" became known all over Europe.

When the plant was finally botanically classified almost one hundred years later in 1737, botanists still named it after the countess for her contribution.

Throughout the mid-1600s to mid-1800s quinine bark was the primary treatment for malaria and it evidenced remarkable results. It was also used for fever, indigestion, mouth and throat diseases, and cancer.

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https://rain-tree.com/quinine.htm#:~:text=Cinchona%2C%20or%20quinine%20bark%2C%20is,the%20cinchona%20tree%20in%201638.


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    #26782287 - 06/25/20 04:41 PM (10 days, 21 hours ago)

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No, quinine is an alkaloid from the Quinoa tree, and (HO)Chloroquine is a syntheitic analog with different properties.




With all due respect, that is close, but not quite.

Quinine is actually from Cinchona officinalis, which is in a completely different family of plants. However, it is native to Peru, just as Quinoa is.





Og wait its Quina tree, I'm confusing it with the healthfood seeds :laugh:


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