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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] 2
#26554581 - 03/24/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: Hantavirus?
That’s a problem that pops up from time to time in the Southwest. There’s a mouse that is a reservoir and occasionally people get infected. What about it?
In the 90's, the X-Files and the movie made the claim that FEMA would come and seize control of the USA by declaring a National Emergency stating an outbreak of Hantavirus. Many of the same symptoms though...
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: mushboy]
#26554583 - 03/24/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said: Tell me you still only have half a box of macaroni out of concern for your fellow man.
relatively ubiquitous food and some random barely anyones ever heard of pill is a completely different level.
if that macaroni box cured aids id give it away.
Chloroquine is an extremely ubiquitous medication. Its sold in kilos to aquarium holders for like 200 bucks.
Its dirt cheap, easy to manufacture in quantity, patents expired on it, very basic precursors..
If chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine indeed were the wonder drugs Trump touts them to be (they are absolutely not) then we can flood the world with it before spring took a good hold of the northern hemisphere.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante]
#26554586 - 03/24/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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please don't poison yourself, thanks
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Primal Glitch] 2
#26554589 - 03/24/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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All this effort is for me to live.
I can handle chloroquine.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante]
#26554591 - 03/24/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You keep saying that but you have nothing to back it up.
Frankly what I see are a lot of people trying to find diseases that chloroquine can treat. Since it’s no longer a patented chemical, essentially anyone to can prove efficacy as a novel treatment could get the patent for its use in treating a particular condition. I don’t see any data
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
#26554599 - 03/24/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do you know that China tried he drug, at all, because the University of Leuven recommended it for treating SARS back in the day, but SARS was already under control by then?
I show you a pubmed article, you compolain it was not certain enough.
Theb MedCram video, very much into detail about the probable actions of Chloroquine vs COVID on the cell, receptor and gate level
You point blank say I have nothing to back it up 
"do nothing unless 100% conclusively proven" is not acceptable in this particular situation for me. I'm a RC user. I'm willing to be part of the experiment if I must be.
And if we have code black here in Holland, and I should get Corona and it DOES steamroll over me rather then be mild... If theres a place in the hospital for me I will go but, I'll come with my Chloroquine in hand.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante] 1
#26554608 - 03/24/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the point is that it would be prudent to be absolutely sure you're using the stuff safely with a thorough assessment and weighing of risk. That's a good point to argue. Everyone needs to be extra careful right now, regardless of who we are or what we're doing.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante]
#26554610 - 03/24/20 07:53 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Antiviral activity of chloroquine against coronaviruses discovered at KU Leuven in 2004
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Antimalarial drug confirmed effective on COVID-19 Source: Xinhua| 2020-02-17 21:07:01|Editor: huaxia
BEIJING, Feb. 17 (Xinhua) -- Chinese experts, based on the result of clinical trials, have confirmed that Chloroquine Phosphate, an antimalarial drug, has a certain curative effect on the novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19), a Chinese official said here Monday.
The experts have "unanimously" suggested the drug be included in the next version of the treatment guidelines and applied in wider clinical trials as soon as possible, Sun Yanrong, deputy head of the China National Center for Biotechnology Development under the Ministry of Science and Technology (MOST), said at a press conference.
Chloroquine Phosphate, which has been used for more than 70 years, was selected from tens of thousands of existing drugs after multiple rounds of screening, Sun said.
According to her, the drug has been under clinical trials in over 10 hospitals in Beijing, as well as in south China's Guangdong Province and central China's Hunan Province, and has shown fairly good efficacy.
In the trials, the groups of patients who had taken the drug have shown better indicators than their parallel groups, in abatement of fever, improvement of CT images of lungs, the percentage of patients who became negative in viral nucleic acid tests and the time they need to do so, she said.
Patients taking the drug also take a shorter time to recover, she added.
Sun gave an example of a 54-year-old patient in Beijing, who was admitted to hospital four days after showing symptoms. After taking the drug for a week, he saw all indicators improve and the nucleic acid turn negative.
So far, no obvious serious adverse reactions related to the drug have been found among the over 100 patients enrolled in the clinical trials, she said.
On Feb. 15, several departments including the MOST, the National Health Commission and the National Medical Products Administration called a video conference to listen to drug research and clinical experts' opinions on the drug's efficacy on COVID-19.
The expert team, led by Zhong Nanshan, a renowned respiratory specialist and an academician of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, agreed that Chloroquine Phosphate can be used to treat more COVID-19 patients, Sun said.
Previous in vitro experiments showed that it can block virus infections by changing the acidity and basicity value inside the cell and interfering receptors of SARS coronavirus.
It also shows immune-modulating activity, which may enhance its antiviral effect in vivo and is widely distributed in the whole body, including the lungs, after oral administration.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/17/c_138792545.htm
China tenacously witholds data.
10 hospitals.. shown fairly good efficacy.
Peking duck and quack medicine are two different things.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante]
#26554618 - 03/24/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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now look for published papers about its lack of efficacy, maybe you'll be surprised. I didn't check.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: RebeccaBlack]
#26554622 - 03/24/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Youtube Algorhythms keep playing me 28 Days After theme remixes back to back.
Seems its very popular now.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: RebeccaBlack] 4
#26554631 - 03/24/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I hadn't actually watched Trump's announcement about it before.
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“The nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, so we know that if it—if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody,” said the president.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: psi] 1
#26554638 - 03/24/20 08:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Actually Chloroquine is part of one of the main DIY euthanasia protocols as the killing agent because its so lethal in overdose
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante]
#26554642 - 03/24/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asked if she had a message for the American people, the Arizona woman was blunt. “Don’t believe anything the president says,” she warned. “And his people. Because they don’t know what they’re talking about.”
I also noticed that Trump seemed to think that chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine were two different names for the same thing and that the "hydroxy" part was something some people liked to say.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: psi]
#26554643 - 03/24/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/cruise-ship-flu-symptoms-florida/index.html
"A cruise ship with 42 sick people aboard is heading to Florida and is expected to dock next week. The people --13 guests and 29 crew members -- aboard Holland America's Zaandam are experiencing flu-like symptoms, a statement from the cruise line said. Initially, the ship was granted permission to disembark in Punta Arenas, Chile, but it was later rescinded. No testing for coronavirus is available on the ship, according to the statement. "Since it is flu season, and COVID-19 testing is not available on board, it is difficult to determine the cause of these elevated cases at this time," the statement said."
They're planning to dock in Fort Lauderdale on March 30th after getting turned away from Chile.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante]
#26554646 - 03/24/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Meanwhile in Holland 
Tuesday 382 (March 10, 2020) Wednesday: 503 (+121) Thursday: 614 (+111) Friday: 804 (+190) Saturday: 959 (+155) Sunday: 1135 (+176) Monday: 1413 (+287)(March 16) Tuesday: 1708 (+295) Wednesday: 2051 (+343) Thursday 2460 (+409) Friday 2994 (+534) Saturday 3631 (+637) Sunday 4202 (+571) Monday 4749 (+547)(March 23) Tuesday 5560 (+811)
In 14 days reg cases went from 382 to 4,749 in a country that tests extremely conservatively, a 12.4x increase.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante]
#26554650 - 03/24/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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No China doesn’t withhold data. They published the Kaletra trial failure last week. That document is over a month old. It’s nothing but anecdotes. Doctors are not going to start treating patients en mass without peer reviewed work. You know that and you also know that it’s suspicious there isn’t any published research on it.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
#26554658 - 03/24/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree but still, I'm willing to chance it in case I'm out of options as a "drug of last resort"
I 100% agree with you that its no "cure" or China and SK would be publising like mad as they had the scoop. Its more something like an aspirin or vitamin d, possibly a passable adjunct.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante] 1
#26554662 - 03/24/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said: Youtube Algorhythms keep playing me 28 Days After theme remixes back to back.
Seems its very popular now.
cause you watched one back in jan or feb, and you posted it here saying the virus could live on things up to 28 days
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante]
#26554663 - 03/24/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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It seems like with that couple who overdosed, they had no clue whatsoever what they were doing. They didn't even have the disease, they thought it worked as a preventative measure.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
#26554672 - 03/24/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: This country cannot bear another four years of republicans handing over every fucking thing to corporate America. How the fuck can billion dollar companies not even go three weeks without profits before they need to be bailed out. It’s fucking disgusting.
I'm with you here 100%!
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