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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: ManianFH]
    #26554283 - 03/24/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Allowing the deaths of the weak and susceptible can't be a solution. Maby with chicken pox but not with something with an almost 10% kill rate. I hope the Dutch get their shit together.




That last Trump speech essentially said exactly that. Hed rather sacrifice the lives of the immunocompromised than the US economy. Dude has flipped script so many times I dont even think he knows where he stands.

This shit sucks, I feel really bad for anyone caught on the worse side of it.




Once his hotels and clubs started getting shut down by governors, he changed his tune. He’s such a fucking sociopath.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods] * 2
    #26554285 - 03/24/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

My nose started running out the blue an hour ago and I have a tickle in my throat. I hope it’s allergies and paranoia, but if not I’m glad I got it in my nose first and I change my mind, trees is a genius.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
    #26554286 - 03/24/20 01:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

He might be the first president to declare bankruptcy while in office?


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: ManianFH]
    #26554293 - 03/24/20 01:21 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

US woman gets $34,927.43 bill for coronavirus treatment

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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 1
    #26554294 - 03/24/20 01:21 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Netherlands giving up the fight



What fucking bullshit.

1: That video is a few days old. More repressive measures have been taken since, and Dutch policy isn't much different from that of the countries surrounding us.
2: The purpose of the initial response wasn't herd immunity. It was mentioned as an additional rationale, but the primary policy aim was and remains flattening the curve so the healthcare system can cope. Just like everywhere.
3: There's no talk of 'giving up the fight'. Again, at the moment when that video was made, there wasn't even much of a fight yet. There is now, obviously, and nobody's 'giving up' on anything. Patients are treated and spread over hospitals in less affected regions to try and match supply and demand of healthcare, which so far has still been successful. There is still excess ICU capacity (although it will likely run out or rather fill up in a few days). Work is being done to expand ICU capacity (but it's challenging, just as anywhere, given that you only have so much equipment and healthcare workers in a country).

One big mess of misinterpretation and misinformation. Particularly the former.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26554306 - 03/24/20 01:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I’ve said it before 1% is absolute lowest number possible in the best circumstance (modern healthcare system that runs within capacity). Once the heathcare system has to triage the mortality rate skyrockets.

I think this disease has a natural mortality rate around 8-10%  it’s only through aggressive modern medical technology that it’s around 1-2%

Just for reference, the 1918 flu had a CFR around 3%. I think if covid happened in 1918 it would have been much much worse than the flu.



One more thing. There's a mixup in these figures and the debate that was in response to Shroomhunts' post where he argued the actual mortality is far lower than the CFR we see reported in the media. He is obviously correct. The reason why. is that Shroomhunts was not talking about the CFR, but overall mortality rate across all infections. As we all know, the majority of infected people are not tested in Western countries. This artificially jacks up the CFR - or, put differently: the less testing is done, the higher the CFR will be. The difficulty with estimating actual mortality is of course that we do not know how many false negatives we have; i.e. how many infections that are not listed as cases.

Only wild guesses can be made, but looking around me (The Netherlands), it's unlikely that more than 10% of the actual infections ever get tested. This means the number of real infections is at least 10 times higher than the official number of cases - but I privately suspect that it's more likely to be something like 20x or 30x at the very least. To illustrate: an app was launched in the Amsterdam metropolitan area where people could self-report their symptoms which are then judged by medical staff of a hospital. Depending on the pattern of symptoms, these people are identified as 'suspect cases' or als negatives. The suspect cases evidently get the advice of self-quarantining. Here's the kicker: about 20k people installed the app, around 1300 were identified as suspect cases, and out of those suspect cases, a grand total of 3 was actually tested. There are of course all kinds of bias issues with these numbers, but the fact that 6.5% of the people who installed the app came out as 'suspect' suggests that we might be having MUCH more infections than we'll ever know about. And of course, the vast majority of these people will suffer a few weeks of mild shortness of breath, a prickly throat and some snot.

This is not to say that the problem is overblown or exaggerated. It is not. The situation is severe. But caution should be practiced in interpreting the numbers and I'd like to press the point that fixating on the CFR makes your judgement entirely dependent on the testing regime that is practiced, and that means that figures across nations and even across different regions are very, very difficult to compare. It also means that CFR only says so much (or rather, so little) about gross mortality.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koraks]
    #26554320 - 03/24/20 02:08 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes but I’m saying South Korea’s case numbers are probably very close to reality, so using it to calculate the mortality rate at about 1.3% is fair.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26554334 - 03/24/20 02:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes but I’m saying South Korea’s case numbers are probably very close to reality, so using it to calculate the mortality rate at about 1.3% is fair.



The problem is that we don't know how close SK's numbers are to reality. We only know that their CFR is 1.3%, but even despite their relatively thorough testing regime, there's no way of knowing how many undetected infections slipped through. The numbers are a turkey shoot.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods] * 3
    #26554336 - 03/24/20 02:23 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Thank you everyone for your incredible messages of support and encouragement.♥️

Many of you asked what it was like in the ER right now. I want to share a bit with you. Please RT:

A Day in the Life of an ER Doc - A Brief Dispatch from the #COVID19 Frontline:

Wake up at 6:30am. Priority is making a big pot of coffee for the whole day, because the place by the hospital is closed. The Starbucks too. It's all closed.

On the walk, it feels like Sunday. No one is out. Might be the freezing rain. Or it's early. Regardless, that's good.

Walk in for your 8am shift: Immediately struck by how the calm of the early morning city streets is immediately transformed. The bright fluorescent lights of the ER reflect off everyone's protective goggles. There is a cacophony of coughing. You stop. Mask up. Walk in.

You take signout from the previous team, but nearly every patient is the same, young & old:

Cough, shortness of breath, fever.

They are really worried about one patient. Very short of breath, on the maximum amount of oxygen we can give, but still breathing fast.

You immediately assess this patient. It's clear what this is, and what needs to happen. You have a long and honest discussion with the patient and family over the phone. It's best to put her on life support now, before things get much worse. You're getting set up for that, but...

You're notified of another really sick patient coming in. You rush over. They're also extremely sick, vomiting. They need to be put on life support as well. You bring them back. Two patients, in rooms right next to each other, both getting a breathing tube. It's not even 10am yet

For the rest of your shift, nearly every hour, you get paged:

Stat notification: Very sick patient, short of breath, fever. Oxygen 88%.

Stat notification: Low blood pressure, short of breath, low oxygen.

Stat notification: Low oxygen, can't breath. Fever.

All day...

Sometime in the afternoon you recognize you haven't drank any water. You're afraid to take off the mask. It's the only thing that protects you. Surely you can last a little longer - in West Africa during Ebola, you spent hours in a hot suit without water. One more patient...

By late afternoon, you need to eat. Restaurant across the street is closed. Right, everything is closed. But thankfully the hospital cafeteria is open. You grab something, wash your hands (twice), cautiously take off your mask, & eat as fast as you can. Go back. Mask up. Walk in.

Nearly everyone you see today is the same. We assume everyone is #COVIDー19. We wear gowns, goggles, and masks at every encounter. All day. It's the only way to be safe. Where did all the heart attacks and appendicitis patients go? Its all COVID.

When your shift ends, you sign out to the oncoming team. It's all #COVIDー19. Over the past week, we've all learned the signs - low oxygen, lymphopenia, elevated D-dimer.

You share concerns of friends throughout the city without PPE. Hospitals running out of ventilators.

Before you leave, you wipe EVERYTHING down. Your phone. Your badge. Your wallet. Your coffee mug. All of it. Drown it in bleach. Everything in a bag. Take no chances.

Sure you got it all??? Wipe is down again. Can't be too careful.

You walk out and take off your mask. You feel naked and exposed. It's still raining, but you want to walk home. Feels safer than the subway or bus, plus you need to decompress.

The streets are empty. This feels nothing like what is happening inside. Maybe people don't know???

You get home. You strip in the hallway (it's ok, your neighbors know what you do). Everything in a bag. Your wife tries to keep your toddler away, but she hasn't seen you in days, so it's really hard. Run to the shower. Rinse it all away. Never happier. Time for family.

You reflect on the fact that it's really hard to understand how bad this is - and how bad its going to be - if all you see are empty streets.

Hospitals are nearing capacity. We are running out of ventilators. Ambulance sirens don't stop.

Everyone we see today was infected a week ago, or more. The numbers will undoubtedly skyrocket overnight, as they have every night the past few days. More will come to the ER. More will be stat notifications. More will be put on a ventilator.

We were too late to stop this virus. Full stop. But we can slow it's spread. The virus can't infect those it never meets. Stay inside. Social distancing is the only thing that will save us now. I don't care as much about the economic impact as I do about our ability to save lives

You might hear people saying it isn't real. It is.

You might hear people saying it isn't bad. It is.

You might hear people saying it can't take you down. It can.

I survived Ebola. I fear #COVIDー19.

Do your part. Stay home. Stay safe.

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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koraks]
    #26554344 - 03/24/20 02:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes but I’m saying South Korea’s case numbers are probably very close to reality, so using it to calculate the mortality rate at about 1.3% is fair.



The problem is that we don't know how close SK's numbers are to reality. We only know that their CFR is 1.3%, but even despite their relatively thorough testing regime, there's no way of knowing how many undetected infections slipped through. The numbers are a turkey shoot.




We do know. If they missed a lot of infections then they wouldn’t have been able to stem the tide like they have. Every missed infection is a seed for more infections. Right now almost all of the new infections are people who were quarantined who eventually turned positive. South Korea’s numbers are probably within 10% of being accurate.

South Korea isn’t on a total lockdown like many other countries. They are managing covid-19 through testing and the only way that strategy works is to test and quarantine and do so without missing too many infected people.

I should also point out that south Korea’s CFR will probably settle around 1.7 as the active cases either die or recover. I am entirely confident that 1.3 is the absolute floor.

Right now the CFR in Germany in 0.4. Watch it rise over the next few weeks. A month ago South Korea had a similar number.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26554349 - 03/24/20 02:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The most frustrating thing about the discussion in the US is that without widespread testing you cannot relax all the social restrictions without having the epidemic flare up again. trump thinks we can lift restrictions in a week and we are still rationing tests. It’s just insanity.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
    #26554364 - 03/24/20 03:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I mean, that's really the frustrating thing pretty much everywhere though. Even in places with widespread testing. It could still flare up after a month of social restrictions. I know its easy to blame Trump because he's a douche, but...


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: hummingbird]
    #26554376 - 03/24/20 03:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

With testing, contact tracing, mandatory quarantines for contacts and moderate adjustments to behavior you can keep the disease on a low simmer without having to shut down the economy. But you have to get the outbreaks under control. If we had a total shutdown, China style, while we got the the testing situation fixed, we could get things back to fairly normal in a month or less. We know it works. We just don’t have the political will to do it. Our half assed measures will result in half assed results where we will flatten the curve but we’ll still have the people getting sick and dying at uncomfortable levels.

Relaxing restrictions right at the peak of this - which will be a week or two - would be absolutely retarded.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods]
    #26554382 - 03/24/20 03:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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The most frustrating thing about the discussion in the US is that without widespread testing you cannot relax all the social restrictions without having the epidemic flare up again. trump thinks we can lift restrictions in a week and we are still rationing tests. It’s just insanity.



I had some level of confidence until I saw that briefing he did earlier and that went out the window.  Did you see his response when the reporter asked if ‘the first lady’ had been tested?  I’m not going to go throwing around accusations and whatnot but I suspect that man was feeding us a line of bullshit....:sherlock:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Amanita86]
    #26554410 - 03/24/20 04:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Ovoidhunter said:

Netherlands giving up the fight



What fucking bullshit.

1: That video is a few days old. More repressive measures have been taken since, and Dutch policy isn't much different from that of the countries surrounding us.
2: The purpose of the initial response wasn't herd immunity. It was mentioned as an additional rationale, but the primary policy aim was and remains flattening the curve so the healthcare system can cope. Just like everywhere.
3: There's no talk of 'giving up the fight'. Again, at the moment when that video was made, there wasn't even much of a fight yet. There is now, obviously, and nobody's 'giving up' on anything. Patients are treated and spread over hospitals in less affected regions to try and match supply and demand of healthcare, which so far has still been successful. There is still excess ICU capacity (although it will likely run out or rather fill up in a few days). Work is being done to expand ICU capacity (but it's challenging, just as anywhere, given that you only have so much equipment and healthcare workers in a country).

One big mess of misinterpretation and misinformation. Particularly the former.




1. I said they were giving up the fight. I can say whatever I want. :hi:

2. The video was from the 23rd a day ago.

3. Suck my nut

I try not to stir the pot to much but I guess it's too late. My bad I guess.,  :kthxbye:


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Amanita86]
    #26554411 - 03/24/20 04:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone think the synthetic filter disks used for mush jars could be useful for homemade masks?

I don't know what specs the N95 masks go by nor the sfds.

But chime in if you know a thing about it. My madre is in healthcare and was not able to get masks for work before they disappeared and is currently making homemade masks.

I'm concerned for her and am trying to help her figure out a good solution before she returns to work in a week or so. I just don't feel like a cloth mask is going to offer the protection she'll really need being around lots of sick folks.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 3
    #26554433 - 03/24/20 05:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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1. I said they were giving up the fight. I can say whatever I want. :hi:




I know, it's your misinterpretation. I can know this because I live in The Netherlands and my family works in healthcare, in the most affected region. Hence my calling your bullshit.


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26554484 - 03/24/20 06:00 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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oh look what the mailman brought...

50x 250mg Chloroquine Phosphate






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Thanks for the concern but I dont have fishtank Chloroquine, I have pharmaceutical antimalarial chloroquine diphosphate tablets.

Chloroquine is not a CURE bus it has been shown in China and South Korea to put a significant dent in COVID if used well. Its also a DIY euthanasia drug as its so easy to kill yourself with unintentionally or deliberately. Small overdose and there is a good chance you might die.

Key is, not overdosing, using pharma tablets in the same dosages used to treat Malaria.

You know how our medical expert members harp on the low lethality of south Korea? Its also the country with a Chloroquine protocol.

The OD's were either from panic dosing, wrongful scale use or taking a dose of freebase which was intended to be Chloroquine biphosphate, and this in elderly people who probably didnt divide the day dose.

Not gonna happen in an obese adult with acute medical knowledge using approved pharma doses of approved pharma pills. I just treat it like Malaria.

Trump can stuff it, Chloroquine is NOT a cure, not at all, just something that pute a dent in the severity of the infection. When there is no doctor and no hospital to go to, with my comorbidities ensuring 15-20% lethality, I'm going to take my chances with a med I studied and understand and shows promise.

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I love how he says chloroquine is a gift from God. What kind of psychopathic God makes the problem and the cure?

Then again I guess religious people have always been on board with that script





What kind of God makes the problem and the solution? The God who is CONSTANTLY TEACHING US TO APPLY THE CORRECT SOLUTION TO THE RIGHT PROBLEM.

A psychopathic God would make a problem with no solution.

We are hear on this earth to LEARN.

One of the things we must learn is how to be good stewards of the earth. To love one another and not turn the place into "a shithole" because of greed.

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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: Asante]
    #26554501 - 03/24/20 06:30 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Chloroquine is not a CURE bus it has been shown in China and South Korea to put a significant dent in COVID if used well




Do you have a credible source for this claim?

It’s been days this claim has been floating around and I have yet to see a single document showing anything saying these drugs have shown efficacy.

I’ll say the same thing I said about Kaletra a few weeks ago: if chloroquine was showing positive clinical results, the results would have already been published. The fact that we don’t have any results from clinical trials suggests strongly that these trials haven’t shown any efficacy/


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Re: Coronavirus 2020 aka Wuhan Coronavirus aka COVID-19 [Re: koods] * 2
    #26554513 - 03/24/20 06:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just saw a post on the NextDoor app that a local hospital is out of supplies.  If you're in or near Broward County, FL, Northwest Hospital on 441 in Coconut Creek needs the following supplies:

1. Masks
2. Gloves
3. Hair Nets
4. Sanitizer
5. Shoe Covers
6. Safety glasses/goggles/protective eye wear
7. Protective Gowns

There's a collection set up at the medical complex across the street.  A few collectors will come to your car and get what you have.


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