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Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips?
    #26553609 - 03/23/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So I have ingested mushrooms hundreds of times during my life, but there is one problem I always seem to have.

I have a sensitive stomach, and have no problem with nausea on the come up with mushrooms which is typically  where people get sick. I'm experienced enough to the point where I have taken and chewed up 7 grams of PE and APE, because quite frankly those are the only strains that get me where I want to go.

I go into this knowing I will most likely either feel incredibly nauseous  after my trip is over or throw up near the end of the trip or after.

So here's my thoughts, questions, and caveats.

1.) I do NOT like making mushroom tea. The way that it hits me is always incredibly unpleasant for me. I can make micro-doses with a mortar and pestle and encapsulation machine and it causes no issues for mt, but that's only .1g. If I were to take mushroom tea with only 1g of GTs I am put in a really strange headspace and I don't like how fast it hits me. I like the ride.

2.) When I throw up at the end of my trips there are still pretty whole solid chinks of mushrooms in the toilet after I throw up. I believe this is due to raw mushrooms being difficult to digest on their own and my own stomach problems.

3.) If I were to grind up mushrooms with a mortar and pestle and take them as powder I assume it would be easier on my stomach and easier to digest, but with many drugs especially pharmaceuticals, more surface area = kicking in faster and harder. Is that the case for mushrooms? If I were to parachute mushroom powder would it hit me faster and harder than it would if I were to chew them up like I normally do? Point being I don't want the same effects as the tea, but the difference is there's an element of heat involved with tea and I didn't know if it would make a  difference.

If anyone has any experience or thoughts please let me know! I love being able to meditate and have wonderful experiences, but I don't like feeling like crap at the end of my trips. If I do have to ultimately throw up it's worth it, but if I don't have to that would be preferable!

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Re: Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips? [Re: oldlongjohnson]
    #26553835 - 03/23/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Have you tried to just sip tea and slow the come up?

I had a friend who was highly sensitive and couldn’t digest them well, switched them to just caps, no stems, and it helped (I thought so too, far as nausea goes)

My understanding is if you want to boof em you need tea or an extract.  That would certainly solve the nausea, but speed of absorption is pretty high using that method I think.

Cooking freshies is another option, if you have access.  Cooking makes them more digestible for sure and they taste really good sautéed, I was amazed.


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Re: Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips? [Re: SynKyd]
    #26553845 - 03/23/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

i threw up to but like nothing was coming out.. it sucked.. but it was my first time so i probly did some thing wrong..


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Re: Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips? [Re: oldlongjohnson]
    #26554917 - 03/24/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Is cannabis involved at all?

I always drink tea and never get any nausea or vomiting, unless the tea was made from fine powdered mushrooms. The material must get through, causing me the stomach distress. So I believe the symptoms will persist if you powder the mushrooms.

EDIT: my reasoning is that when I don’t powder, no mushroom material gets through and I have no symptoms; if I use powdered mushrooms, they get through my dishcloth serve and I get stomach problems.

Good luck though


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Re: Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips? [Re: oldlongjohnson] * 1
    #26555143 - 03/24/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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2.) When I throw up at the end of my trips there are still pretty whole solid chinks of mushrooms in the toilet after I throw up. I believe this is due to raw mushrooms being difficult to digest on their own and my own stomach problems.







That's a bit strange that the mushrooms are still in your stomach at the end of the trip/after 5+ hours. I don't think food/things should be sitting in the stomach for 5+ hours, one's digestive tract should keep things moving along.

After 5 to 7 hours, at the end of a trip, the mushrooms are no longer in my stomach at all as they move deeper into my digestive tract ...I don't even have anything in my stomach to throw up at the end of a trip.



I don't really have any advice for you :shrug: ...Strange that you only get this specifically at the end of a the trip and not during the come up/soon after dosing.

I'd say make tea but you don't like dosing via tea.

Only other things I'd say is maybe using some cannabis to help calm/soothe the stomach.

Or take your dose of mushrooms with some food or in something like a fruit smoothie.





If this is occurring at the end of a trip then at least it's not interfering with the trip itself. If I was going to puke, I'd much rather have it happen at the end of the trip and not during the come up while I'm trying to hold it down as long as I can so I absorb most of the dose.....Or do you experience a long lasting nausea/upset stomach even after you puke at the end of a trip?






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Re: Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips? [Re: oldlongjohnson]
    #26555298 - 03/24/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

This is an odd situation. I dont think Ive ever heard this one before.

Have u tried making a Shroom Smoothie before? Perhaps that will help your body digest the shrooms better.


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Re: Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26555338 - 03/24/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Tea my friend. Drink it over 20min.

Very strange that you still have mushrooms in you after so many hours. With that I think it's time to brew.


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Re: Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26586915 - 04/08/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I've always preferred taking them on an empty stomach as it quells nausea and the effects kick in harder. I never got an answer on surface area, but if I'm correct I imagine drinking ground up mushrooms would hit faster just like tea does or encapsulated powder?


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Re: Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips? [Re: openmind]
    #26586922 - 04/08/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Wish I could smoke. Cannabis gives me seizures. :frown: I'm the one who is gonna ruin it for everyone so I don't say anything lol, but yeah I never notice any nausea on the come up and if I do it's very little. I make sure not to eat anything at least two hours before tripping. Throwing up at the end of the trip can feel like I nice purge, but I'd really just prefer not to puke..


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Re: Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips? [Re: oldlongjohnson] * 1
    #26587724 - 04/09/20 12:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Very unusual.

Have u tried drinking fresh ginger tea or take a dramamine perhaps?


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Re: Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26587942 - 04/09/20 04:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Everybody's bodies are different. that's probably the way your body wants to purge. some ppl get those hangover type shits after taking various drugs, or in some cases like yours throw up. Like other people have mentioned, maybe try having some ginger while ur tripping to help settle the stomach.


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Re: Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips? [Re: oldlongjohnson]
    #26589118 - 04/09/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I've always preferred taking them on an empty stomach as it quells nausea and the effects kick in harder. I never got an answer on surface area, but if I'm correct I imagine drinking ground up mushrooms would hit faster just like tea does or encapsulated powder?





Have you tried dosing them with some food before? Like eating a small meal an hour or so before dosing? Or eating some fruit or something simple shortly before dosing? Or eating some fruit shortly after dosing.


IME, dosing mushrooms on an empty stomach will only create more potential for nausea. Mushrooms don't bother my stomach much at all, but in general, when dosing things like mushrooms or cactus or ayahuasca or things of that nature I find that having some food in my stomach helps to "soften" and lessen any potential stomach load & nasuea. I'd much rather have some food and substance in there to help "cushion" the load, rather than an empty stomach/gut full of nothing but mushrooms.

I often hear folks say that going with out eating helps to lessens nausea for them...That's not the case for me at all. It's the opposite for me. I'm not talking about eating a full meal right before dosing, but just having a bit of something in the stomach/gut a little while before dosing.



What do you mean by "drinking ground up mushrooms"..?...wouldn't that essentially be a tea? I feel that dosing ground up powder will probably hit a bit quicker kinda like a tea :shrug: .






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Wish I could smoke. Cannabis gives me seizures. :frown: .





That's strange.

I don't want to go off topic, but can you elaborate on that a bit?

How many times have you smoked the herb and how many seizures have you had?

Are you epileptic? Do you experience seizures in general or from anything else?


Usually cannabis helps attenuate and lessen the frequency of seizures for those that are epileptic & prone to seizures. I have never heard of cannabis inducing seizures in people.






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Re: Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips? [Re: oldlongjohnson]
    #26590242 - 04/10/20 05:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Chocolate could be an option because it does not hit as fast as tea. The remaining problem could be that the whole dried mushroom material is still in there just ground up really fine. I think fine powder is a lot less problematic for the stomach. If you stomach could somehow filter out these tiny pieces and puke them up Id be surprised. :smile:

I used 70% chocolate 500g to 50g shrooms ground to a fine powder in a coffee blender. It tastes so good that I have to watch out not to end up with a high dose. Per gram it feels like more bang for your buck because more active substance seems to reach you without digesting stuff (surface area of powder is better than small pieces) and the chocolate seems to add a little something, CEVs seem colorful.
For me its a good combo of strong but not that hard on the system.


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Re: Throwing up at the END of trip. Tips? [Re: openmind]
    #26591850 - 04/10/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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oldlongjohnson said:
Wish I could smoke. Cannabis gives me seizures. :frown: .





That's strange.

I don't want to go off topic, but can you elaborate on that a bit?

How many times have you smoked the herb and how many seizures have you had?

Are you epileptic? Do you experience seizures in general or from anything else?


Usually cannabis helps attenuate and lessen the frequency of seizures for those that are epileptic & prone to seizures. I have never heard of cannabis inducing seizures in people.

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To answer your question about cannabis. When I was a teenager I smoked for about six years. I would smoke everyday all day and had to re-up on an 1/8th every other day.

There's a mixed bag of possibilities. I'm a very tall and skinny individual. When I was a kid before I even smoked I used to be incredibly malnourished and would start blacking out. I had EEGs taken, I'm not epileptic.

When I started smoking I was prescribed Vyvanse which made me malnourished and also obviously adds another drug into the mix. I've had seizures many times around friends after smoking.

I used to have no issue with at. At one point during my teenage years I was taking LSD every day for two summers. Sounds stupid due to tolerance, but what I said was LSD was most likely RCs a lot of the time.

Eventually I started noticing "visual snow" on my bedroom walls. I was diagnosed with HPPD.

The only thing that keeps the hallucinations at bay is Xanax. I already was a very very high anxiety personality. Eventually when I would smoke I would start getting horrible anxiety which exacerbates the hallucinations and the panic attack would manifest itself so much that I would have seizures.

It's also worth noting that before I started indulging in what were probably RCs I had gotten off Vyvanse and was healthy weight wise and well nourished and I would still have seizures when I smoked.

I've also never been able to hit a bong without having a seizure or a vaporizer. I imagine at some point my brain chemistry changed. Cannabis just throws me immediately into anxiety mode. I've tried it every once in a blue moon and I never enjoy it anymore. Always induces anxiety which causes hallucinations to occur, things like watching the grass grow very quickly or colors changing.

I know it's very strange, because all research point to cannabis mitigating seizures, but it's the opposite for me. I'm all for the legalization of it, but I just know that I can't and don't plan on indulging in it again.


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