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OfflineOrange24
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Going deeper?
    #26552425 - 03/23/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I’m not really breaking through at 3.5g. Maybe it’s a weaker batch, I can’t tell as I’ve only had 2 trips before, 3g on a hike and then meditated and observed all land below for a couple hours. Beautiful serene experience. If I relaxed my vision I did get milf visuals of waves rolling over the land and the earth breathing slightly. I lemon tek’d 3.5g but the wait wasn’t even 5 days in between my trip prior. Same experience with a little more social interaction than normal.

I want to experience the deep intense therapeutic effects of mushrooms that I hear are and can be so life changing. So far it’s just been a 4-5 hour experience of feeling different and things looking different. This intense feeling of being with myself and feeling connected to others. I guess what I’m trying to say is; the jump from 3-5g, is this where you guys begin to really have your world fall apart and feel like you’re in the deep end? I Kina feel like I’m half way in, like I’ve dipped my toes in and felt the world around me begin to change but I’m still fully there.

What dose do we go to for that real deep experience?? Am I making any sense? I know this is sort of a strange post but maybe some of you remember when you first tripped and felt like the next time you wanted a deeper experience because you could tell you weren’t fully the


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24]
    #26552437 - 03/23/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just try 4gs and go lay in bed.


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26552443 - 03/23/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

“ So far it’s just been a 4-5 hour experience of feeling different and things looking different. This intense feeling of being with myself and feeling connected to others.”

You do realize that those ARE life changing experiences for some, don’t you?


Fuck it, go for 7g.
That way, unless your shrooms are bunk, you should get a bit more than you bargained for. :crazy2:


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24]
    #26552447 - 03/23/20 06:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I've been working my way up to some seriously deep experiences. Usually at least 6 months between experiences. My most recent was 30 grams dry, prior to that it was 16. Horrifying yet highly beneficial. Not for everyone but definitely a breakthrough experience.


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24]
    #26552448 - 03/23/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Doses are highly individual, everybody reacts differently to mushrooms. We cannot say one needs x grams to get certain effects.

Some people get "there" with 5g, but most people need higher doses. 7 to 10 grams is where most people draw the line between normal tripping and entering another universe.

After my first 3 and 5 gram doses I wanted more and ended up eating 14g in one night, alone in darkness.
That was truly magical, I left m body and floated through colors, became color, and was shown many things about life and human evoltion. A whole new dimension of tripping. :smile:

Been there only once, though. Now I stick with 3 to 4 grams, that's plenty once you know how to work with them shrooms.

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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26552454 - 03/23/20 06:53 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Pandemoon said:
Doses are highly individual, everybody reacts differently to mushrooms. We cannot say one needs x grams to get certain effects.

Some people get "there" with 5g, but most people need higher doses. 7 to 10 grams is where most people draw the line between normal tripping and entering another universe.

After my first 3 and 5 gram doses I wanted more and ended up eating 14g in one night, alone in darkness.
That was truly magical, I left m body and floated through colors, became color, and was shown many things about life and human evoltion. A whole new dimension of tripping. :smile:

Been there only once, though. Now I stick with 3 to 4 grams, that's plenty once you know how to work with them shrooms.

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The experience you speak of is sort of what I’m trying to emphasize. I hear people talking about having such a profound experience they don’t deal with as much depression or anxiety for months following because of how transformational the trip was. Did you find this to be true?


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24]
    #26552471 - 03/23/20 07:01 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I have even had sub breakthrough doses that give me huge boosts to my self esteem.

I was tripping good, just not completely gone.


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: The Mycologist] * 1
    #26552890 - 03/23/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

You can't expect a trip to solve all of your problems. It might help give you some ideas on how to but they are not some magical cure/answer.


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24] * 1
    #26553172 - 03/23/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The experience you speak of is sort of what I’m trying to emphasize. I hear people talking about having such a profound experience they don’t deal with as much depression or anxiety for months following because of how transformational the trip was. Did you find this to be true?

You don’t need to smash your world and ego into little pieces to have lasting benefits; but you do need to listen to what the mushrooms are telling you and integrate those lessons into your life.

I save “heroic doses” for once every few years. But I have rid myself of depression by repeated doses between 3.7g and 4.1g dry Cubensis. Even at those “low doses” I will transcend space and time, be out of body, and have no ego left, where  I can then look at my life and myself objectively, impassively.

Everyone reacts differently to mushrooms, and everyone’s lessons are personal to them. You just need to listen more.

But by all means double your dose; be conscious though that the increase in trip strength is not a linear relationship with dose, it is highly exponential.

Let’s make up some numbers to illustrate (all totally fictitious)! :-

1g = strength 1
2g = strength 4
3g = strength 12
4g = strength 32
5g = strength 128

Does that sort of make sense?

Take care,
DJ Ed


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26553220 - 03/23/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Lol those numbers are a good way to break it down.


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #26553317 - 03/23/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Happy to help, The Mycologists. Though better not tell OP that sometimes 2g can feel like strength 128 :notreadyforthis:


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26553324 - 03/23/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

DJ Ed said:
The experience you speak of is sort of what I’m trying to emphasize. I hear people talking about having such a profound experience they don’t deal with as much depression or anxiety for months following because of how transformational the trip was. Did you find this to be true?

You don’t need to smash your world and ego into little pieces to have lasting benefits; but you do need to listen to what the mushrooms are telling you and integrate those lessons into your life.

I save “heroic doses” for once every few years. But I have rid myself of depression by repeated doses between 3.7g and 4.1g dry Cubensis. Even at those “low doses” I will transcend space and time, be out of body, and have no ego left, where  I can then look at my life and myself objectively, impassively.

Everyone reacts differently to mushrooms, and everyone’s lessons are personal to them. You just need to listen more.

But by all means double your dose; be conscious though that the increase in trip strength is not a linear relationship with dose, it is highly exponential.

Let’s make up some numbers to illustrate (all totally fictitious)! :-

1g = strength 1
2g = strength 4
3g = strength 12
4g = strength 32
5g = strength 128

Does that sort of make sense?

Take care,
DJ Ed





This was extremely helpful, thank you. I’m not looking for mushrooms to necessarily solve problems for me, but I want to tap into a higher level of consciousness that I know is available to me.

I wanted to ask about the depression statement. You mentioned repeated doses have kept your depression away. How has this worked? How often would you dose? I’m wondering in the beginning is a couple trips a month too much? How often is ok? And why do you think the repeated doses between 3.7-4.1 has staved off the depression?


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24] * 2
    #26553372 - 03/23/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

No worries, orange24, I’ll do my best.

So I’ve was depressed from the age of about 8, right up until just before my 52nd birthday in Nov 2018. I’d been watching loads of YouTube videos on the research into psilocybin treating depression. And heard loads of reports about “one dose instant fix”.

As you look deeper into the research, you realise this is all a bit hyped up, and rarely do you get the one dose fixed for life scenario. More likely, you will notice a reduction on the depressive symptoms for about 2 weeks. And that is what I noticed too.

So the thing with following Terence McKenna’s advice to dose 5g plus but infrequently, basically scared the shit out of me, but the afterglow would soon fade; I’m talking a matter of days.

So carried on the research, and listened to some video interviews with Dr Rosalind Watts. She is on the UK team alongside Carhart-Harris, and David Nutt. She just oozes love and compassion. But I followed her advice she gives to her patients, which is basically not to fight the mushrooms and to accept what they are showing you. She advised that when things get scary, to talk to the mushrooms.

So in Nov 2018, I took 4.1g B+. The come up got really scary, and I spoke to the mushrooms; “why are you scaring me when I’ve come to you asking for help?”

That’s all I said. I put headphones on and played Hawkwind Space Ritual. I travelled back in time to my brain that was 20 year old, and felt the same feelings aspirations I had back then, and then the trip continued through the corridors of my mind, and I specifically looked to what was causing me to be depressed. At the end of the trip, I had the overarching feeling that I was the reason for my depression, and I now had the choice to continue to be depressed.

I decided sod this, I shall no longer be depressed. And that was that right up until October 2019, where I noticed my depression had slowly been coming back (you do get complacent!). I hadn’t tripped at all in those 11 months, so with hindsight maybe that was a mistake.

So I decided I still wasn’t ready yet for another 5+ grams, so what to do. I decided that for me 3.8g was manageable, without being too unpleasant. And I could handle the depression with the afterglow (didn’t want to try microdosing, because I work in a secure environment.....). So I decided I would stick to a strict 2 week schedule of taking 3.8g.

At first I noticed the afterglow was lasting for a week, and then the second week was spent planning the next dose. I did this about 6 times then I posted another post round about Dec 2019 to Jan 2020; basically the afterglow was lasting the full 2 weeks, so I put it to the shroomery to advise if they reckoned I was still depressed, or what . You can guess what they said to me, and they were right, I am no longer depressed.

Don’t get me wrong, at times I can be instantly “down there” but a quick therapy session with the mushrooms is all I need.

So I deciddd the 2 week rule was no longer necessary. However,  I have found so much benefit from regular tripping, and so much enjoyment, I am generally sticking to 2 weeks.

Sometimes I’d love to trip more regularly;y, but I have a daughter who is not ready to find out what dad does yet, and also from experience I know that for me, back to n]back weekends soon “lose the magic” of a trip; I’d almost describe the second trip as boring!

So it is possible, dude, as I say. Listen, take stock of each lesson, and try to integrate it into your life. But most of all, don’t believe all the hype; you need to be patient with mushrooms, and accept they are not a quick fix.

I’ve even started talking to people again!


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26553396 - 03/23/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

DJ Ed said:
No worries, orange24, I’ll do my best.

So I’ve was depressed from the age of about 8, right up until just before my 52nd birthday in Nov 2018. I’d been watching loads of YouTube videos on the research into psilocybin treating depression. And heard loads of reports about “one dose instant fix”.

As you look deeper into the research, you realise this is all a bit hyped up, and rarely do you get the one dose fixed for life scenario. More likely, you will notice a reduction on the depressive symptoms for about 2 weeks. And that is what I noticed too.

So the thing with following Terence McKenna’s advice to dose 5g plus but infrequently, basically scared the shit out of me, but the afterglow would soon fade; I’m talking a matter of days.

So carried on the research, and listened to some video interviews with Dr Rosalind Watts. She is on the UK team alongside Carhart-Harris, and David Nutt. She just oozes love and compassion. But I followed her advice she gives to her patients, which is basically not to fight the mushrooms and to accept what they are showing you. She advised that when things get scary, to talk to the mushrooms.

So in Nov 2018, I took 4.1g B . The come up got really scary, and I spoke to the mushrooms; “why are you scaring me when I’ve come to you asking for help?”

That’s all I said. I put headphones on and played Hawkwind Space Ritual. I travelled back in time to my brain that was 20 year old, and felt the same feelings aspirations I had back then, and then the trip continued through the corridors of my mind, and I specifically looked to what was causing me to be depressed. At the end of the trip, I had the overarching feeling that I was the reason for my depression, and I now had the choice to continue to be depressed.

I decided sod this, I shall no longer be depressed. And that was that right up until October 2019, where I noticed my depression had slowly been coming back (you do get complacent!). I hadn’t tripped at all in those 11 months, so with hindsight maybe that was a mistake.

So I decided I still wasn’t ready yet for another 5  grams, so what to do. I decided that for me 3.8g was manageable, without being too unpleasant. And I could handle the depression with the afterglow (didn’t want to try microdosing, because I work in a secure environment.....). So I decided I would stick to a strict 2 week schedule of taking 3.8g.

At first I noticed the afterglow was lasting for a week, and then the second week was spent planning the next dose. I did this about 6 times then I posted another post round about Dec 2019 to Jan 2020; basically the afterglow was lasting the full 2 weeks, so I put it to the shroomery to advise if they reckoned I was still depressed, or what . You can guess what they said to me, and they were right, I am no longer depressed.

Don’t get me wrong, at times I can be instantly “down there” but a quick therapy session with the mushrooms is all I need.

So I deciddd the 2 week rule was no longer necessary. However,  I have found so much benefit from regular tripping, and so much enjoyment, I am generally sticking to 2 weeks.

Sometimes I’d love to trip more regularly;y, but I have a daughter who is not ready to find out what dad does yet, and also from experience I know that for me, back to n]back weekends soon “lose the magic” of a trip; I’d almost describe the second trip as boring!

So it is possible, dude, as I say. Listen, take stock of each lesson, and try to integrate it into your life. But most of all, don’t believe all the hype; you need to be patient with mushrooms, and accept they are not a quick fix.

I’ve even started talking to people again!




Such an incredible response. Thank you so much. I’ve dosed twice. But it was only a few days apart because I felt like I needed to go higher in dose. I’m thinking 4-4.5 is where I’ll probably really get introspective and learn more about myself, see the other side of the coin. I definitely had a little of that but just just taken aback by the scenery where I was hiking. I’m considering do a trip in bed at night but that does make me quite nervous, however it may do the trick. Nothing about any of my two trips were scary but I definitely felt it!! And thought more about certain circumstances. My anxiety goes away completely during a trip.


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24]
    #26554165 - 03/23/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I’m not looking for mushrooms to necessarily solve problems for me, but I want to tap into a higher level of consciousness that I know is available to me.




This sort of dosage is different for everybody it seems and IME the only way to discover it is through experimentation.  Keep ratcheting it up, you'll know when you get there, for me it's around 50 g fresh of my homegrown ordinary cubes, or 25-30 of KSSS or PE variety (both noticeably stronger). 

I'm now producing a shit load of PE for a new daily consumption routine in the summer and have an APE swab I'll be using for even more fun growing.

About depression effects - for my bipolar any significant dose resets me to the up side.  It doesn't seem to matter the exact amount - I can't get reset any better than that, and the normal cycle starts again (for my BPII one cycle lasts a little less than a month).  But I've also found (fortunately) that daily double doses of omega-3 (fish oil) compounds are very efficient at banishing the depressive symptoms.  And I have that on the observation of people I know as well. :awesomenod:

For ordinary clinical depression - well I don't really know as I don't have that.  DJ here has a lot more relevant advice on that I think. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26554208 - 03/23/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ed's scaling is a bit extreme but he's completely right that you need to be careful raising the dose. Go slowly.

You have the rest of your life to try the next higher dose.


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26554216 - 03/23/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

i kinda skipped thru the rest of the thread. i usually hit a 12-15g dry, 130g wet trip. when i go i like to go balls deep and figure it out from there.

ive only blacked out on shrooms once, and i think i ate like 30gs by accident. oh well it was fun anyways. found a really good friend that night that ive been friends with for 7+ yrs.

go as hard as u want dawg, fuck mckenna saying 5gs was a heroic dose, everyone has their own tolerance albeit natural or built up


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: numnum59] * 1
    #26554332 - 03/24/20 02:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

tripping is a lot like learning a new talent - some people seem to have an innate knack and "get it" right away, while others it takes a lot of time, and sometimes you simply need more life experiences. in other words, you need to, quite literally, grow up, just like how a child learning to play the piano needs to get taller and bigger to be able to even reach the petals and gain a bigger reach to play all the chords.

don't feel bad if you can't attain these mythical trips on your first or even tenth try. just relax, enjoy what you can, and they will come in their own good time. in the meantime, enjoy life, take up hobbies, and try and do the things that make you feel good about yourself. not in a "feel good now then feel like shit the next day" way, but in a "maybe this sorta sucks now but after its down damn do i feel good about having done it afterward" sort of way, like how you do after exercise or eating cooking homecooked meals for yourself every day.

everyone has their own pace of growth. don't feel bad if you take your time - you have your own virtues. even if speed of learning isn't one of them, it might be that retention of what you learned is, for instance.


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Psion]
    #26554432 - 03/24/20 05:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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tripping is a lot like learning a new talent - some people seem to have an innate knack and "get it" right away, while others it takes a lot of time, and sometimes you simply need more life experiences. in other words, you need to, quite literally, grow up, just like how a child learning to play the piano needs to get taller and bigger to be able to even reach the petals and gain a bigger reach to play all the chords.

don't feel bad if you can't attain these mythical trips on your first or even tenth try. just relax, enjoy what you can, and they will come in their own good time. in the meantime, enjoy life, take up hobbies, and try and do the things that make you feel good about yourself. not in a "feel good now then feel like shit the next day" way, but in a "maybe this sorta sucks now but after its down damn do i feel good about having done it afterward" sort of way, like how you do after exercise or eating cooking homecooked meals for yourself every day.

everyone has their own pace of growth. don't feel bad if you take your time - you have your own virtues. even if speed of learning isn't one of them, it might be that retention of what you learned is, for instance.





I’m a very deep thinker and highly introspective. The reason I’m asking these things is I really feel like
I’m knocking on the door Of something amazing. So I’m trying my best to tailor my approach here and see how I can best use the mushrooms to my advantages. Or perhaps they’ll use me and take the blinds off per se, on all the learn behavior I’ve succumbed to over the years.

I do love your analogy and find it totally
Appropriate.

A questions for you guys. So far I’ve just consumed groined your shrooms, near powder form and also lemon-tek method. I haven’t done the tea method. My last flush I dried and blended up into almost a baby powder.

I was thinking of doing a tea next, emptying out - tea bag or two,  adding 4.5-6g of powdered GT in and letting sit in a very very mild simmer on the stove for 10-15 mins then discarding and adding my own flavored herbal tea to the actual mushroom tea. Does this method sound correct? And what difference have you guys noticed with tea vs the other methods? I’ve seen a faster come up? But SO many swear by the tea method it seems. My only concern is when making tea is the actual dose the same and you really do extract all the goodies you need to so not eating the mushrooms themselves is fine?


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Re: Going deeper? [Re: Orange24]
    #26554473 - 03/24/20 05:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Main reasons that I prefer tea is, faster come up and less stomach issues. Edit: yes, throw out the scraps if making tea, it is the solid materials that cause most of the digestion problems.

If you lose some potency..... who cares? You grow shrooms, so, put some more in the next time if it wasn’t enough. Dosage or level numbers only really count when comparing psychedelic dick size. You can browse thru these forums and find many reports of 6g doing nothing, and 2g sending someone to another planet.

You aren’t really looking for a certain number, you are looking for an effective dose for yourself.

Some batches of mushrooms will be more, some will be less. I suggest always beginning with a 2g dose, and step up a gram or half gram each week or two until you find an appropriate dose. With tea especially, after a bit of experience, you will start to notice how strong or weak they are shortly after ingestion, at which point( if before the peak) you could try a redose.

Either that, or just go 7g to rid yourself of disappointment. :mushroom2:


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