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Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized?
#26551844 - 03/22/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Serious thoughts only please. I’m currently in favor of wide sweeping changes including legalization. Thoughts/ Proa, cons
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Supernova] 3
#26551909 - 03/22/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think they should, of course, but the issue is, they can't just be sold to anyone. Beginners would have to explicitly know how critical set & setting is.
And I don't know how that would be accomplished. Barring making users/buyers take a little course on them or something. Which I know seems absurd. But you can't just hand them to anyone. Someone getting their hands on them and not knowing what they're getting into would be a recipe for a likely nightmarish trip.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Supernova] 1
#26551926 - 03/22/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ya man. It works great in the Netherlands. Except for the tourists, but other than that it works good.
I wish I could get clean molly too from the store.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Ahab McBathsalts] 1
#26551998 - 03/22/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Initially they should just make them grey market imho. Not exactly legal but not criminal either. They've done that in Australia with liquid nicotine. You can posess it, import it, do whatever with it but you can't sell it. If they did the same with mushies it'd make it easier for everyone involved. People who want can get them but people who know nothing wouldn't be taking them off the shelves and fucking themselves up. Later once everyone was used to them being part of society they could fully legalise, if there was a need.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Northerner]
#26552020 - 03/22/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don’t thing why not
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Supernova] 2
#26552152 - 03/23/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Of course. I think all drugs should be legalized. If I've learned anything from them scary high crime Latin American countries, it's that they're generally safer and less violent than the US. It's just the fact that people in these poorer countries can make soooo much money because of drug prohibition that opportunistic predators turn these places into warzones for personal gain.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Atreyu] 2
#26552175 - 03/23/20 12:35 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Freedommmmm! Free to follow one's own choice or having hir human rights stripped for reifying the desire to enact upon it? Prohibition is nothing but an aberration to humanity and the problems associated with psychedelic usage are mostly linked with the taboo itself, including the misinformation and false associations coded into society. Nothing is going to be perfect but one should strive for legalization solely on the basis that it's a human right to imbibe upon what one desires if it's ov no physical hurt to another. And those who support prohibition likewise support all the malignant trauma that comes with it, including the incarcerations. To deny this is ignorant as one must be held accountable for hir beliefs.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Darwin23]
#26552188 - 03/23/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You really think they should sell things like meth and heroin in general stores? There's some things common people should have to search for if they really want, I think. If there were particular places you can find these things that weren't black market, but more a hidden market it makes a big difference.
Many people are naive and easily led astray. The euphoric poison chalice is too much temptation. They would quickly destroy themselves if they could freely drink with no hurdles or barriers in their way, even if those barriers were just societal rather than legal.
Psychedelics on the other hand, particularly mushrooms, have a tendency of waking people up rather than deluding them. Makes for happy thoughtful people. I'm one of those people that thinks all people should trip as an initiation to adulthood though.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Northerner] 2
#26552206 - 03/23/20 01:28 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I really do. The thing is, people are going to find them anyway. They clamped down on Adderall in recent months. As the supply dwindles, go to your local Wal-Mart and see how many Benzedrex containers you see on the shelf. By controlling supply we really don't do much to demand, all we do is drive people to less safe alternatives. That's the whole reason we had a heroin/fentanyl epidemic. Had we allowed them access to controlled and safer alternatives, we would've seen soooo many fewer overdoses.
I wouldn't say general stores, though. I'd say something more like a liquor store. In order to get them, you'd have to make the conscious effort to go into one of these stores. With smoking, when I've tried to quit the simple temptation of seeing packs at gas stations could get me. If they were only sold in cigarette shops, quitting would've been much easier.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Northerner] 1
#26552210 - 03/23/20 01:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Absolutely they should be legalized. Take the first step and allow them for therapeutic use under supervision of medical professionals. From there allow them to be sold through the dispensary model, educated professionals making sales only after a discussion with the customer about their experience, what they're looking to achieve by taking them and offering advice on dosage, set and setting if necessary.
And of course all of this should coincide with a public education campaign about sensible psychedelic use.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Ignorantape]
#26552226 - 03/23/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: ichugwindex] 1
#26552227 - 03/23/20 02:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shrooms used to be legal here until some dumb tourist cunt went on a three day drug/drinking bender ate some shrooms as well and jumped off a bridge
Now they only sell truffles ready to go in shops, but you can buy pre-made grow kits in shops and online
Seems to work. I never ate the truffles but grew more shrooms than what I knew what to do with
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26552268 - 03/23/20 03:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Didn't know that had happened. Last time I was in Netherlands was in 2001. Was pretty laid back back then. Reading the statistics it was predominantly tourists who fucked it up for the Dutch. Almost none of the fuck ups were nationals. Typical.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Northerner]
#26552281 - 03/23/20 03:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't really want them to be legal. I don't really want squares taking shrooms.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Babylon] 2
#26552326 - 03/23/20 04:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If squares were taking shrooms then they would soon stop being squares, no?
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Northerner]
#26552357 - 03/23/20 05:03 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think it should be legal but there should be limits also. You could be able to buy it maybe after 25 yo. Kids shouldnt try it for sure. We have to be responsible. Its not just a weed. Its something more and kids usually take drugs to have fun on parties
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Babylon] 3
#26552372 - 03/23/20 05:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Babylon said: I don't really want them to be legal. I don't really want squares taking shrooms.
Yeah buddy, let's just keep going to jail over a harmless substance so we can feel better than the average person you need to eat some shrooms, son
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Northerner]
#26552380 - 03/23/20 05:16 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Northerner said: If squares were taking shrooms then they would soon stop being squares, no? 
Nazis eat shrooms, they're still Nazis, squares smoke weed now, they're still square.
And Larry I don't know anyone who has gone to jail for shrooms. Just stay away from commercial transactions and you aren't really interesting to the cops, or easy for them to find
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Babylon]
#26552387 - 03/23/20 05:24 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, sensei. Ninja mastah stay hidden in bush - never get caught. Almost like reality forms around him and keeps him from harm. And who are you to reject a person's potential for growth? You're just being close-minded and you're gatekeeping. It's not a Cool Kids Club it's a club for anyone who desires it. You can be as anti-square as you want, still won't make you like shrooms. If they aren't inherently for non-squares or squares, then who are they for? Hexagons?
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: larry.fisherman]
#26552410 - 03/23/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im not gatekeeping, I leave that to uncle Sam.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Supernova] 1
#26552610 - 03/23/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Absolutely I think they should be legalized. No sales to minors, commercial sales maybe accompanied by a warning or info sheet or something, and call it a day. I have no concerns about "squares" taking them either. I think most people will have no interest just as it is now.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Northerner]
#26552789 - 03/23/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Northerner said: If squares were taking shrooms then they would soon stop being squares, no? 
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Babylon] 1
#26552820 - 03/23/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Babylon said: Nazis eat shrooms, they're still Nazis, squares smoke weed now, they're still square.
And Larry I don't know anyone who has gone to jail for shrooms. Just stay away from commercial transactions and you aren't really interesting to the cops, or easy for them to find
Well people HAVE gone to jail for shrooms. Your opinion is not only self-centered but also makes the assumption that legalization will make people interested in psychedelic consumption despite not being so prior, which is mostly false. In cases where that is not false, where people only have reserve towards taking them due to their criminality, we again see that the problem rests with the nature ov prohibition itself, not the drug or people interested. The world does'nt center around you, thankfully, and even if you do'nt personally know people who have been arrested, the fact is that good natured people have indeed had their rights stripped away and lives upended due to prohibition. Your opinion supports this incarceration, whether you desire it to be so or not.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: lavod] 1
#26552887 - 03/23/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, especially medicinally, but recreationally as well. I think the most good would come from medicinal legalization and lots of harm reduction - I could see legit medical businesses opening up similar to the ketamine infusion places, but maybe someone who educated patients and helped them plan for their trips, and was there to assist with any issues that arose during it, and also feed them fruit platters and put on good music and administer a benzo if needed. Just for people who might really have no idea what they're getting into and might want some guidance. Fuck I'd love to have that job.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: pirate-blues]
#26552909 - 03/23/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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There should be no laws governing mushrooms.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Nichrome] 3
#26553117 - 03/23/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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All drugs should be legal, but be accompanied by off-puting labels like they have on cigarettes
"mushrooms make you gay" with a picture of a naked hairy Santaclause (thanks Trex). Things like that
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26553136 - 03/23/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Nichrome] 1
#26553182 - 03/23/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Allll psychoactive plants should be legal to possess, grow, consume, and gift to others.
From muhsrooms to coca, from ibogaine to poppy, from kratom to khat, everything....all plants should absolutely be legal to possess, grow, consume, & gift to others.
Allow all of that but don't allow any sales....keep sales illegal...Allow some non-profits or have some sort of program in place to provide psychedelic/psychoactive plants to those that can't grow them themselves (for what ever reason, handicapped, don't have the room to grow, don't have the ability to do so, etc etc...).
Allow stores to sell spores and grow kits, and seeds/cuttings/seedlings of psychoactive plants for growing (cactus, caapi, mimosa, acacia, ibogaine, etc etc etc....)...but don't allow stores to sell doses of mushrooms or extracted material, keep sales of things like that illegal.
Allow places to hold ceremonies with psychoactive plants...Allow therapists to use these plants in therapy...Allow research to happen with these plants.
Real simple...just make the plants "free" again, remove all criminality from the possession/consumption/growing of these plants. But keep sales illegal.
It puts the plants back in the hands of the "people" while also keeping it out the "mainstream public" while also creating access for everyone.
When these things are turned into a "product" or a "prescription" and become "regulated & controlled", the price is likely going to go up and the availability becomes limited to only those that have $$$ or insurance.
If anyone is allowed to grow as much mushrooms or cannabis or cactus or any plant they want, and if they are not allowed to be sold/sales remaining illegal, there will be an abundance and more than plenty to go around.
There is certainly no need to turn them into a "product" or a "prescription" .
I actually don't want to see mushrooms & psychedelic plants being sold openly in stores for profit, or seeing them in a capsule in the form of a prescription...I just want them to be "free", free in the sense of it not being a criminal act to posses/grow/consume/gift. Free in the sense that if one wants them, they won't be required to have $$$ just to have access to the mushrooms/plants.
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: Northerner] 3
#26553272 - 03/23/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Northerner said: If squares were taking shrooms then they would soon stop being squares, no? 
I see a lot of posts by people that seem to be taking shrooms enough that if shrooms actually made people any more self aware or mindful on their own, that they likely wouldn't act in ways that they do. I used to think everyone should be using them and the world would be a better place but after some time here, I see that you can still be a detriment to society after doing shrooms.
The older I get, the more I think that we as a people on this planet are just fucked
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Re: Do you really thing shrooms should be legalized? [Re: TheStallionMang]
#26553313 - 03/23/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The older I get, the more I think that we as a people on this planet are just fucked

As a species we are very successful and eventually will spread throughout the universe. A bit like an incurable cancer.
On an individual level most of us are assholes (myself included)
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#26553426 - 03/23/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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The main goal is to spread for sure. Any single planet is subject to cataclysm so we’ve got to be wide spread. To get where we are there needs to be an over abundance of life and strife. All these different creatures and interactions and catastrophes are to ensure that something will eventually win through and spread the disease of life to other hosts. Existence is insane in the hyperbolic sense.
And sure mushrooms should be legal. It’s crazy absurd that they’re currently illegal and most people are cool with it. They grow naturally. I heard a story on jre about a spot that was producing tons of mushrooms and the cops got wind of people showing up to pick and they would stake this place out and arrest you, put metal cuffs on your hands and lock you in a cell and leave your fate up to a person you’ve likely never met. Madness.
If more healthy people tripped and pondered the stars I think the world would be a better place. Slowly.
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