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Fal must not know what prophylactic means.
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Or that it was being touted as a prophylactic by the administration and its supporters for months
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natedawgnow said: Fal must not know what prophylactic means.
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The word vaccine is derived from the Latin word for cow due to the fact that the first vaccine was made from the sores on cows suffering from cowpox.
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natedawgnow said: Fal must not know what prophylactic means.
It's apparent
Perhaps not. Why don't you provide the definition you meant?
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bodhisatta said: Are condoms vaccines?
I've never had anti-vaxxer sentiments before, but now that you mention it.
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Prophylactic: intended to prevent disease
Again, HQ was touted for months as a prophylactic measure, trump himself was taking it without having corona virus as a prophylactic measure. Didnt help
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Rudy Guiliani has covid. So that’s the end of that.
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natedawgnow said: Prophylactic: intended to prevent disease
Again, HQ was touted for months as a prophylactic measure, trump himself was taking it without having corona virus as a prophylactic measure. Didnt help
You claimed "he had previously claimed to be on a prophylactic regimen of HQ." If he was taking it to prevent the virus altogether, I thought that would be the equivalent of it being a vaccine. I may have got my definition of vaccine wrong.
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A vaccine is specifically a prophylactic that causes the immune system to react as if it had actually fought a real infection
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natedawgnow said: Prophylactic: intended to prevent disease
Again, HQ was touted for months as a prophylactic measure, trump himself was taking it without having corona virus as a prophylactic measure. Didnt help
Had he continued with a single 200mg dose once per week, he may not have caught the Rona.
Here's this
Hydroxychloroquine also reduces the release of cytokines like interleukin-1 and tumor necrosis factor, possibly through inhibition of Toll-like receptors.[A183074,A198852] The raised pH in endosomes, prevent virus particles (such as SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2) from utilizing their activity for fusion and entry into the cell.[A191625] Hydroxychloroquine inhibits terminal glycosylation of ACE2, the receptor that SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 target for cell entry.[A191628,A191625] ACE2 that is not in the glycosylated state may less efficiently interact with the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, further inhibiting viral entry.[A191625]
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Sometimes antibiotics are given as preventative. Ciprofloxacin was given during the gulf war as an anthrax preventative.
So, you don't necessarily disagree with Zelenko when he administered azithromycin as a preventive antibiotic?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
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koods said: Rudy Guiliani has covid. So that’s the end of that.
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So, you don't necessarily disagree with Zelenko when he administered azithromycin as a preventive antibiotic?
If HCQ prevents infection in the first place, what exactly is the point of an antibiotic that prevents secondary bacterial infections?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
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koods said: A vaccine is specifically a prophylactic that causes the immune system to react as if it had actually fought a real infection
Agreed.
The point still stands that a hydrochloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc sulfate cocktail was shown to be effective in a peer reviewed study.
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A single one.
At one point the mmr autism vaccine link paper by Andrew wakefield was published and reviewed too. It obviously didn't stand the test of time. Neither will that paper
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bodhisatta said: At one point the mmr autism vaccine link paper by Andrew wakefield was published and reviewed too. It obviously didn't stand the test of time. Neither will that paper
How do you know it won't? TDS? This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. I prefer to let science figure it out.
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Its a pretty bad sign that only one study kind of the coctail has managed to squeak by in all this time. If you gave any fucks about science you would have noticed the abundance of highly compelling articles that ruled out those drugs and cocktails of them. But apparently only fringe science is correct and everyone else especially competent scientists that actually contribute to medicine are all in on some conspiracy. That's batshit crazy but feel free to try and rationalize that to yourself as me having TDS.
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bodhisatta said: If you gave any fucks about science you would have noticed the abundance of highly compelling articles that ruled out those drugs and cocktails of them.
Apparently, I did miss the study showing this specific cocktail doesn't work. Can you please link to it?
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Fal you constantly day "the science" as if you're the best at researching and comprehending research articles. As if all of us are more dumb and mislead than you are. I hope you don't sincerely think you're all alone and only you ham and leningrad know anything about "the science".
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A total of 141 COVID-19 patients with laboratory-confirmed severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection in the year 2020 were included. The main outcome measures were risk-stratified treatment decision and rates of hospitalisation and all-cause death. A median of 4 days [interquartile range (IQR) 3–6 days; available for n = 66/141 patients] after the onset of symptoms, 141 patients (median age 58 years, IQR 40–67 years; 73.0% male) received a prescription for triple therapy for 5 days. Independent public reference data from 377 confirmed COVID-19 patients in the same community were used as untreated controls
This is not sound science. The treatment arm consisted of hand picked patients, while the “control” arm were patients selected from database of covid patients.
A proper study you enroll participants and a separate body from the people running the study randomly selects patients to either receive or not receive the treatment. Only at the end of the study period do the researchers learn which patients received the treatment and which didn’t. Their outcomes are compared. This study is comparing to groups that not only had different treatments, but were recruited using different methods and were treated in different settings.
Why didn’t they take their 141 patients who agreed to participate and randomly assign half of them to be controls?
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