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1st world children and 3rd world children get different vaccination schedules OMG so cray cray
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Do you even read and comprehend what you copy and paste or do you just parrot the talking points of people who have already had their arguments wrecked.
Millions of dollars have been paid out due to vaccine injuries.
I guess their arguments get wrecked in court?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
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People get found not guilty in criminal court of murder but get found responsible in civil court. Civil payouts pretty much are meaningless. You could probably successfully sue for damages if you wanted to dedicate yourself to fighting that fight.
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Fuck my old neighbors, total pieces of shit, sued Menards hardware store because one of them tripped on a floor mat which was their scam. They won. So I guess menards is trying to maim people.
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https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/vaccinations/chronic-disease-a-study-of-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-children/
"SUSCEPTIBILITY TO VACCINE INJURY We observed different patterns of vaccine response among the families in our sample. In ten families, each vaccinated child had a chronic health issue (“vaccinated-sick”), while each unvaccinated child was healthy (“unvaccinated-healthy”). However, several of the seemingly healthy children from these families experienced subsequent health challenges as adults after receiving vaccines required for travel or education. These families could be described as “vaccine-susceptible.” Individuals from such families would do well to approach future vaccines with caution."
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
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Kind of like going to a theme park and only speaking to the fraction of a percentage of people that had a bad time.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27074809 - 12/06/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Out of 3.5 billion vaccine doses given in America they've only paid out 4.4 billion dollars. The amount of compensations per million doses is 1.2
So out of every million vaccinations only 1.2 people successfully claimed damages.
In vaccine cases the burden of proof is less than beyond a reasonable doubt. It's a preponderance of evidence. They use a three prong test
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award should be granted if a petitioner either establishes a "Table Injury" or proves "causation in fact" by proving the following three prongs:
a medical theory causally connecting the vaccination and the injury;
a logical sequence of cause and effect showing that the vaccination was the reason for the injury;
and a showing of a proximate temporal relationship between vaccination and injury.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0802904
This article goes over how out of a million people there's a few good scam artists and some great lawyers and how despite there being no connection they were able to sneak out a victory.
So if it's compelling to you that so little has been paid out to so few "victims" over so many decades in a court with a lowered standard than criminal court... You shouldn't be arguing on our playing field.
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Unfortunately, in recent years the VICP seems to have turned its back on science. In 2005, Margaret Althen successfully claimed that a tetanus vaccine had caused her optic neuritis. Although there was no evidence to support her claim, the VICP ruled that if a petitioner proposed a biologically plausible mechanism by which a vaccine could cause harm, as well as a logical sequence of cause and effect, an award should be granted. The door opened by this and other rulings allowed petitioners to claim successfully that the MMR vaccine caused fibromyalgia and epilepsy, the hepatitis B vaccine caused Guillain–Barré syndrome and chronic demyelinating polyneuropathy, and the Hib vaccine caused transverse myelitis.
No case, however, represented a greater deviation from the VICP's original standards than that of Dorothy Werderitsh, who in 2006 successfully claimed that a hepatitis B vaccine had caused her multiple sclerosis. By the time of the ruling, several studies had shown that hepatitis B vaccine neither caused nor exacerbated the disease, and the Institute of Medicine had concluded that “evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between hepatitis B vaccine and multiple sclerosis.”2 But the VICP was less impressed with the scientific literature than it was with an expert's proposal of a mechanism by which hepatitis B vaccine could induce autoimmunity (an ironic conclusion, given that Dorothy Werderitsh never had a detectable immune response to the vaccine).
Like the Werderitsh decision, the VICP's concession to Hannah Poling was poorly reasoned. First, whereas it is clear that natural infections can exacerbate symptoms of encephalopathy in patients with mitochondrial enzyme deficiencies, no clear evidence exists that vaccines cause similar exacerbations. Indeed, because children with such deficiencies are particularly susceptible to infections, it is recommended that they receive all vaccines.
Second, the belief that the administration of multiple vaccines can overwhelm or weaken the immune system of a susceptible child is at variance with the number of immunologic components contained in modern vaccines. A century ago, children received one vaccine, smallpox, which contained about 200 structural and nonstructural viral proteins. Today, thanks to advances in protein purification and recombinant DNA technology, the 14 vaccines given to young children contain a total of about 150 immunologic components.3
Third, although experts testifying on behalf of the Polings could reasonably argue that development of fever and a varicella-vaccine rash after the administration of nine vaccines was enough to stress a child with mitochondrial enzyme deficiency, Hannah had other immunologic challenges that were not related to vaccines. She had frequent episodes of fever and otitis media, eventually necessitating placement of bilateral polyethylene tubes. Nor is such a medical history unusual. Children typically have four to six febrile illnesses each year during their first few years of life4; vaccines are a minuscule contributor to this antigenic challenge.
Fourth, without data that clearly exonerate vaccines, it could be argued that children with mitochondrial enzyme deficiencies might have a lower risk of exacerbations if vaccines were withheld, delayed, or separated. But such changes would come at a price. Even spacing out vaccinations would increase the period during which children were susceptible to natural infections, giving a theoretical risk from vaccines priority over a known risk from vaccine-preventable diseases. These diseases aren't merely historical: pneumococcus, varicella, and pertussis are still common in the United States. Recent measles outbreaks in California, Arizona, and Wisconsin among children whose parents had chosen not to vaccinate them show the real risks of public distrust of immunization.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
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"SUSCEPTIBILITY TO VACCINE INJURY We observed different patterns of vaccine response among the families in our sample. In ten families, each vaccinated child had a chronic health issue (“vaccinated-sick”), while each unvaccinated child was healthy (“unvaccinated-healthy”). However, several of the seemingly healthy children from these families experienced subsequent health challenges as adults after receiving vaccines required for travel or education. These families could be described as “vaccine-susceptible.” Individuals from such families would do well to approach future vaccines with caution."

What is it with these low rent websites you keep using for reference? Are these health and wellness scammers?
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bodhisatta said: You think because trump said it is why people are writing it off. That's a story you tell yourself.
Why did people write it off before the studies were done then?
Gullible brainwashed tards?
Then by your logic, Koods is a gullible brainwashed tard.
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Enlil said: Why did people use it before the studies were done?
Because before there was a cure, doctors tried whatever they thought could work. 
But you're afraid of vaccines 
I'm afraid of vaccines? Lol, wut?!? Source, or make believe?
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Lol, wut?!? I was only on board to have it studied more, as scientists often do. Koods was the one insisting it would never work because Trump thought it might. This was way back in the March through May timeframe.
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I wrote it off when it showed no promise in March. Thinking that a strong immunosuppressant was gonna help against a viral disease is a pretty boneheaded idea
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
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koods said: I wrote it off when it showed no promise in March
The hydrochloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc sulfate cocktail DID show promise in late March/early April. That's why Trump said it might work, and that's when everyone with TDS, including yourself, said we shouldn't look into it.
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Trump didnt even take it himself when he had corona. Obviously there's a reason why.
And it also apparently didnt work as a prophylactic since he got corona anyway even though he had previously claimed to be on a prophylactic regimen of HQ.
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By that time, there were other treatment options available.
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I don't think anyone claimed it would be a vaccine. Trump didn't appear to get hit that bad, so I wouldn't know if it had any prophylactic effect.
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Where did I say anybody claimed it is a vaccine? Seriously what the fuck that came out of nowhere
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Based on the number of things trump took he was in serious trouble
Trump took everything except HCQ
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Nate said "it also apparently didnt work as a prophylactic since he got corona anyway".
How would it have prevented Trump from catching coronavirus if it wasn't a vaccine?
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Are condoms vaccines?
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Sometimes antibiotics are given as preventative. Ciprofloxacin was given during the gulf war as an anthrax preventative.
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