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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27046034 - 11/18/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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christopera said: Mississippi has always been a power house of scientific and intellectual leadership.
Science doesn't matter anymore.
It's all politics.
It is to you
The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm
Wear your mask. Joe says it's patriotic.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27046054 - 11/18/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cloth masks versus regular medical masks, that's what your study compared.
You've proven you don't know how to comprehend the title of your own link.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 2
#27046081 - 11/18/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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christopera said: Mississippi has always been a power house of scientific and intellectual leadership.
Science doesn't matter anymore.
It's all politics.
It is to you
The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm
Wear your mask. Joe says it's patriotic.
That article is about efficacy of medical masks vs. cloth masks in preventing nosocomial infections.
Why are you so determined to undermine the most cost effictive, universally available and proven measure to slow the spread of covid-19?
There’s something seriously wrong with you. You have the morality of the Catholic Church fighting against condom use to prevent HIV infections.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27046084 - 11/18/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mask mandates all over, cases surging.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 2
#27046086 - 11/18/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's why we need mask mandates
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Enlil]
#27046092 - 11/18/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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California, NYC, Chicago.
Now, PA, mask mandates in your house.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/11/18/pennsylvania-mandates-mask-wearing-inside-your-home-americans-react-997415
And Pennsylvania’s Secretary of Health announced new measures to stem the spread of the virus including an at-home mask-wearing order.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27046097 - 11/18/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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NYC has one of the lowest infection rates in the country
You constantly provide examples that discredit your own arguments, like citing South Dakota as an example of good covid management
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27046108 - 11/18/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enlil said: That's why we need mask mandates
California, NYC, Chicago.
Now, PA, mask mandates in your house.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/11/18/pennsylvania-mandates-mask-wearing-inside-your-home-americans-react-997415
And Pennsylvania’s Secretary of Health announced new measures to stem the spread of the virus including an at-home mask-wearing order.
Why are you lying about PA’s mask mandate? The mandate requires you to wear a mask whenever you are around people who do not live with you. If you have guests in your home everyone should wear masks. You don’t have to wear a mask at home normally.
I’ll say it again: there’s something seriously wrong with you
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27046121 - 11/18/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: NYC has one of the lowest infection rates in the country
You constantly provide examples that discredit your own arguments, like citing South Dakota as an example of good covid management
New York looks to be 12. South Dakota, 36th.
Edit. New York has tested 17.1m, south Dakota has tested just over 300k.
IMO, a waste of money testing so many "asymptomatic" people.
SARS1, only people with symptoms were tested. Same with MERS.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead] 1
#27046126 - 11/18/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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The reality to all of this is herd immunity is the only way around it. Everything else is just delaying the inevitable.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Ran-D] 2
#27046143 - 11/18/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If herd immunity is possible. The immunology of this disease is still not understood, and there are many known instances of people getting sick from the virus multiple times. I sincerely hope herd immunity is possible, and that the virus doesn't mutate.
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There's a lot of info being censored.
India is doing well with such a high population. Iraq as well, being bombed out. China is rocking and rolling yet is largely being ignored. Many African countries with low average age populations are doing well.
Average age of Covid RELATED death is over 80.
Colds, flu and upper respiratory diseases exacerbate heart disease, the number one cause of death in US, followed by cancer. Cancer patients don't handle colds and flu very well, if I had to make an educated guess, having a compromised immune system.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27046204 - 11/18/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: NYC has one of the lowest infection rates in the country
You constantly provide examples that discredit your own arguments, like citing South Dakota as an example of good covid management
New York looks to be 12. South Dakota, 36th.
New York has 23x the population of South Dakota 🤦♂️
I’m talking about now. Not March. Stop being disingenuous. If you’re talking about mask mandates then look at the data after mask mandates took effect. Let’s look at PER CAPITA deaths, since that data doesn’t depend on testing rates. (BTW despite only testing 300k, 6.6% of South Dakota residents have tested positive for covid, second only to North Dakota’s 8.8%) it’s staggering how poorly the dakotas have dealt with this pandemic.
This is the data for average daily per capita deaths over the past 7 days.
North and South Dakota currently have the highest covid mortality rates in the country. New York has one of the lowest. DC, which is an entirely urban jurisdiction where you would expect a respiratory disease to spread more easily, is even lower than New York. DC has the highest mask wearing compliance in the country. New York and DC went from having the highest rates of covid mortality in March to the lowest now. Pretty amazing, isn’t it?
Currently covid mortality in South Dakota is 11x higher than in New York It’s amazing how completely intransigent you are to the most compeling data. You’re in a cult dude.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Ran-D] 2
#27046246 - 11/18/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: The reality to all of this is herd immunity is the only way around it. Everything else is just delaying the inevitable.
We are nowhere near herd immunity. Maybe 15% of the US population has been infected with covid and without a vaccine to get us to the 75% needed, another 1.25 million people in the US will die. It’s a sociopathic strategy.
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DividedQuantum said: If herd immunity is possible. The immunology of this disease is still not understood, and there are many known instances of people getting sick from the virus multiple times. I sincerely hope herd immunity is possible, and that the virus doesn't mutate.
Actual infections produce different levels of immunity based on a persons own response and the seriousness of their own infections. Asymptomatic infections tend to produce fleeting immunity, where detectable antibodies only last a month or two. The immunity produced by a vaccine will be much more robust and longer lasting. The vaccine data so far is excellent and there’s plenty of reason to believe vaccines will end the pandemic by the middle of next year
Throwing in the towel now is insane. We should go into lock down now for three weeks to end this wave and mandate masks nationwide. We should close bars, gyms and restaurants to indoor dining until we get 50% of the population immunized. It’s not that difficult. People need to stop being such snowflakes. The virus doesn’t care about your hurt feelings that you can’t do thanksgiving this year.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27046291 - 11/18/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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https://www.the-scientist.com/notebook/why-bats-make-such-good-viral-hosts-64251
"Emma Teeling, a bat biologist at University College Dublin who was not involved in the work, says she isn’t surprised by the findings. Her own research has shown that bat macrophages will quickly mount a robust antiviral response when immunologically challenged, but compared to those of a mouse, they will then rapidly backpedal on their response by releasing anti-inflammatory cytokines (Acta Chiropt, 19:219-28, 2017). “What bats are very good at doing is resolving their constant inflammation,” she says."
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I've heard coronaviruses can infect a bat population at one side of a cave and spread to the other, mutating along the way. By the time the virus reaches the opposite side of original inoculations, it has mutated so many times that it's able to begin spreading back and reinfecting those bats who have previously been infected. Like a virus wave, rolling over a few hundred thousand bats all hung upside down with no social distance. And this happens over night, in hours.
It has been predicted that Rona has mutated over 200 times by now. With a DNA/RNA strain 30,000 pieces long, each copy will have mutations within those 30,000 bits.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: HamHead]
#27046297 - 11/18/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool. Humans aren’t bats, so what is your point?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27046318 - 11/18/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: NYC has one of the lowest infection rates in the country
You constantly provide examples that discredit your own arguments, like citing South Dakota as an example of good covid management
New York looks to be 12. South Dakota, 36th.
New York has 23x the population of South Dakota 🤦♂️
I’m talking about now. Not March. these are current numbers, not from March. Stop being disingenuous. If you’re talking about mask mandates then look at the data after mask mandates took effect. Let’s look at PER CAPITA deaths, since that data doesn’t depend on testing rates. (BTW despite only testing 300k, 6.6% of South Dakota residents have tested positive for covid, second only to North Dakota’s 8.8%) it’s staggering how poorly the dakotas have dealt with this pandemic.
This is the data for average daily per capita deaths over the past 7 days.
North and South Dakota currently have the highest covid mortality rates in the country. New York has one of the lowest. DC, which is an entirely urban jurisdiction where you would expect a respiratory disease to spread more easily, is even lower than New York. DC has the highest mask wearing compliance in the country. New York and DC went from having the highest rates of covid mortality in March to the lowest now. Pretty amazing, isn’t it?
Currently covid mortality in South Dakota is 11x higher than in New York It’s amazing how completely intransigent you are to the most compeling data. You’re in a cult dude.
When did we change course to mortality? This all started with you claiming "NYC has one of the lowest infection rates in the country".
Which one of those is NYC? Is it Kings, or Queens, or Bronx?
More testing = more cases.
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
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DividedQuantum said: If herd immunity is possible. The immunology of this disease is still not understood, and there are many known instances of people getting sick from the virus multiple times. I sincerely hope herd immunity is possible, and that the virus doesn't mutate.
Actual infections produce different levels of immunity based on a persons own response and the seriousness of their own infections. Asymptomatic infections tend to produce fleeting immunity, where detectable antibodies only last a month or two. The immunity produced by a vaccine will be much more robust and longer lasting. The vaccine data so far is excellent and there’s plenty of reason to believe vaccines will end the pandemic by the middle of next year
Throwing in the towel now is insane. We should go into lock down now for three weeks to end this wave and mandate masks nationwide. We should close bars, gyms and restaurants to indoor dining until we get 50% of the population immunized. It’s not that difficult. People need to stop being such snowflakes. The virus doesn’t care about your hurt feelings that you can’t do thanksgiving this year.
Why do you ignore T cell immunity?
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
#27046323 - 11/18/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Cool. Humans aren’t bats, so what is your point?
Coronaviruses mutate quickly.
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